Diplomats warn of India-Pakistan nuclear exchange: WikiLeaks

[Hindutvadi]

lol in another leaks...

Post it in another leaks thread and dont derail the current one

 

[AMCA]

lol in another leaks US ambassador to india said that he have reservations on india's cold start strategy and he think that india dont have the capability

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WikiLeaks: US on Indian Army?s Cold Start Doctrine - NDTV News

You Believe US Ambassedor than Your Own General??

 

[T-Faz]

Here you go.

The Indian Armys Cold Start Doctrine is a mixture of myth and reality. It has never been and may never be put to use on a battlefield because of substantial and serious resource constraints, but it is a developed operational attack plan announced in 2004 and intended to be taken off the shelf and implemented within a 72-hour period during a crisis. Cold Start is not a plan for a comprehensive invasion and occupation of Pakistan. Instead, it calls for a rapid, time- and distance-limited penetration into Pakistani territory with the goal of quickly punishing Pakistan, possibly in response to a Pakistan-linked terrorist attack in India, without threatening the survival of the Pakistani state or provoking a nuclear response. NDTV News

 

[TechLahore]

There is your reason...for the cold water spilling on whatever!
nothing that the pakistani army would be responsible for...

I am surprised you think the Indian army is so incompetent they can't even resupply when the "pakistani army" is "responsible for" none of their troubles. I doubt such a force would be in a position to do much, as per US opinion expressed here.

I thought the US meant that the Indian Army would have trouble *due* to the Pakistani Army, but looks like your interpretation is that even without an opponent the Indian Army can't do much. Ok. Fine with me.

 

[TechLahore]

You Believe US Ambassedor than Your Own General??

No. We think our generals are smart enough to underline that the Indian forces are a HUGE strategic threat for us. This has allowed us to become the country that is producing nukes faster than any other country in the world (Yeah, that stat is from Wikileaks too... look for it)

 

[阿叉 摩羅差]

This has allowed us to become the country that is producing nukes faster than any other country in the world (Yeah, that stat is from Wikileaks too... look for it)

Pyrrhic Victory or worse. Just being frank.

 

[india123]

So when pakistan drops it TN nukes on indian armed forces,doesn't it mean nuclear strike??!!!
India has NO first use policy,
When pakistan drops it tiny nukes on battle field,there will be bigger nukes flying towards pakistan...
Until pakistan uses nuke,India won't...

 

[waz]

'Pak army no match for India's so we want more nukes'

Despite "pending economic catastrophe," Pakistan is producing nuclear weapons at a "faster rate" than any other country in the world, according to a stunning American appraisal that forms part of the cables relating to US-Pakistan relations leaked by the whistleblower organization wikileaks.

The assessment was conveyed by US National Intelligence Officer for South Asia Dr Peter Lavoy to NATO representatives in November 2008 amid widespread, and continuing, apprehensions among major powers, recorded in separate cables, about the security of the weapons and its possible heist by terrorists, extremists and fundamentalists, including those in the government.

Among those expressing concern about the safety of Pakistani nukes are British and Russian officials, even as American and Chinese interlocutors mull over how to address Pakistan's fear of India that is ostensibly leading it to crank out nuclear weapons rapidly even it stalls a treaty to end production of fissile material (FMCT).

In one particularly startling cable, a high ranking Chinese official, vice foreign minister He Yafei, is quoted as hearing from a Pakistan general that Pakistan needs nuclear weapons because of its inferior army. "Indeed, a Pakistani military leader said his army was no match for the Indian army," the cable records Yafei as saying.

But the most elaborate scenario of a nuclear heist in Pakistan comes in a heavily redacted cable which cites an unnamed Russian official questioning the security measures Islamabad claims to have established, and which is frequently accepted as secure by Washington, and suggesting that the Pakistan's growing Islamization constitutes an imminent nuclear danger.

"Russia is aware that Pakistani authorities, with help from the US, have created a well-structured system of security for protecting nuclear facilities, which includes physical protection. However, there are 120,000-130,000 people directly involved in Pakistan's nuclear and missile programs... there is no way to guarantee that all are 100% loyal and reliable," the cable. conveying the Russian view, reads

"In addition to the Islamist interest in these facilities," the cable continues, "Russia also is aware that Pakistan has had to hire people to protect nuclear facilities that have especially strict religious beliefs, and recently the general educational and cultural levels in Pakistan has been falling. Due to these facts, extremist organizations have more opportunities to recruit people working in the nuclear and missile programs... Russia thinks Pakistan should also be a particular focus of discussion."

Showing little trust in their much-touted ally, US officials offer a slightly different take in another cable, saying, "Our major concern is not having an Islamic militant steal an entire weapon but rather the chance someone working in Government of Pakistan facilities could gradually smuggle enough material out to eventually make a weapon.

A lengthy cable discussing Pakistan's opposition to the fissile material cut off treaty also notes the trauma inflicted on Islamabad by the US-India nuclear deal, which Pakistan believes has "unshackled" India's nuclear weapons program by freeing up domestic uranium to make more bombs, hence necessitating Pakistan stalling FMCT as it ramps up its arsenal.

"Islamabad has chafed over the US-India 123 Agreement, arguing it also needs civilian nuclear power to meet energy demand; we have repeatedly advised the GOP that it should not expect a similar agreement because of AQ Khan's proliferation activities," notes another cable.

'Pak army no match for India's so we want more nukes' - The Times of India

Great statement, now we can carry on saying that and crank out at least a 1000 nukes....


I'm surprised several Indians actually took this seriously.

It's like us taking the remarks of the IAF chiefs;


The Indian Air Force (IAF) top brass has informed the Union Government that if corrective measures are not taken immediately, India will lose its air superiority over Pakistan.

Special: IAF may lose out to Pak - India News - IBNLive


“As far as defence goes, we don’t even match up with Pakistan,” Barbora, while referring to Defence exports, told an aerospace seminar organised in New Delhi by the CII.

IAF Vice Chief’s latest: Politics stalls defence purchases

Although he was talking about defence export but still the point is clear.

 

[Spring Onion]

You Believe US Ambassedor than Your Own General?? ::

And Indians only believe in Wikileak's parts which deal with Pakistan only

 

[Paan Singh]

Great statement, now we can carry on saying that and crank out at least a 1000 nukes....


I'm surprised several Indians actually took this seriously.

It's like us taking the remarks of the IAF chiefs;


The Indian Air Force (IAF) top brass has informed the Union Government that if corrective measures are not taken immediately, India will lose its air superiority over Pakistan.

Special: IAF may lose out to Pak - India News - IBNLive


“As far as defence goes, we don’t even match up with Pakistan,” Barbora, while referring to Defence exports, told an aerospace seminar organised in New Delhi by the CII.

IAF Vice Chief’s latest: Politics stalls defence purchases

Although he was talking about defence export but still the point is clear.

1)the problem is not pakistan niether for airforce nor for army.
2)the problem is china or china + pakistan
3)these chiefs are giving these statements on regular times so that they can get their budget increased coz they have to secure country not babus.
4)now when their demands are listened ,they are not saying like this.

 

[waz]

1)the problem is not pakistan niether for airforce nor for army.
2)the problem is china or china + pakistan
3)these chiefs are giving these statements on regular times so that they can get their budget increased coz they have to secure country not babus.
4)now when their demands are listened ,they are not saying like this.

Could you point out where China was mentioned in any of the links above? Your airforce chiefs just focussed on Pakistan.

Anyhow the point still stands. People get jittery about Pakistan increasing its arsenal, hence the above.

 

[TechLahore]

Pyrrhic Victory or worse. Just being frank.

That may be your opinion. But I certainly don't hear the fat lady singing yet. It's just the beginning. Whoever thinks the "game" is over and has ended in "victory" for anyone, is being naive. The game we are talking about actually has many sub plots, and Pakistan is a vital component in each of them. For example, now by Britain's admission, we are in the midst of the Second Great Game in central asia (as per Prince Andrew, courtesy WikiLeaks), the future of Afghanistan is yet to be determined, the future of the Sub-continent is yet to be determined, changes are afoot in the ME, China's global position is strengthening day by day.

There are so many things happening that Pakistan is going to be in the limelight for a long time. No one can predict how any of these issues evolve. So if we want to make sure our interests are protected, we must take responsibility for doing so. A strong military deterrent against any conceivable threat is a good starting point. Pakistan's nuclear program is one part of achieving this.

 

[baker]

Totally BS thread as well as discussion....

 

[AMCA]

No. We think our generals are smart enough to underline that the Indian forces are a HUGE strategic threat for us. This has allowed us to become the country that is producing nukes faster than any other country in the world (Yeah, that stat is from Wikileaks too... look for it)

That proves your In security If forced to face a Conventional War, Your General is right For You are Sure to loose.... You are hiding behind Nuclear force.... India is Confident Enough to Eradicate any threat as We Not only have a Very slow Nuke Production like any other country but also Have Signed No first use policy.... We Can Overcome any kind of threat, Conventional and non conventional threats....

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And Indians only believe in Wikileak's parts which deal with Pakistan only

Any Wiki Leaks Proving India Guilty???

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Absolutely retarded. Instead of working towards peace, they start with a new era of battlefield fighting.

Hey retard wat abt the military equipment india is manufacturing? isnt tht MAHA RETARDED then as per ur f...up logic?