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Differences crop up with Russia over Pak fa ..

well your right about the bolded part it began after the demise of sanjay & Indira ghandi while Putin onli neutralized the Oil Mafia but still Russinas have a very very potent counter intellegence setup though most of them sifted to USA & Australia but a very large part is still intact no matter how much western press and CIA backed stooges try to down play them

my onli worry is what if pappu and company comes back to power its gonna be hell for india as it will be used by CIA just as it had used and thrown pakistan after collapse of USSR

pappu and company will come back to power.Thats decided at the top. How do you think I know about shiv sena's hands in helping naxals?

My sources are a lot stronger than you can think. I will leave india in coming time. India is no longer safe .Might head for latin america or some small island nation.

No way in hell congress is coming back to power , its either BJP by Modi or some one else or its third front , Congress are loosing allies all over the place.

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/indian...op-up-russia-over-pak-fa-2.html#ixzz2h2KybBMG

Congress will come to power by rigging the vote machines or bribing the EC.
 
No way in hell congress is coming back to power , its either BJP by Modi or some one else or its third front , Congress are loosing allies all over the place.

I can bet 100 bucks over congress
 
pappu and company will come back to power.Thats decided at the top. How do you think I know about shiv sena's hands in helping naxals?

My sources are a lot stronger than you can think. I will leave india in coming time. India is no longer safe .Might head for latin america or some small island nation.



Congress will come to power by rigging the vote machines or bribing the EC.

ok....who are your sources ? your making some outrages claims ... some reasonable evidence behind that ....

I can bet 100 bucks over congress

in Dollars ? was planning on getting a brand new Graphics card next year....some extra money will help
 
I think intelligent people would agree that even before the end of the Cold War, the Soviets were behind the West when it came to radars and avionics. After the fall of the Soviet Union, the Russian economy absolutely tanked. R&D expenditures hit rock bottom. Even today, now that the Russian economy has recovered somewhat, its funding for R&D lags far behind that of the United States.

Are we really to believe that the Russians have caught up to the US despite a long period of time when their R&D was virtually zero? Even today, the Russian defense budget is about a 10th of the United States'. How many world-leading telecommunications and computer companies are based in Russia? I sure can't think of any. Remember also that the PAK-FA is being developed on a fraction of the budget of the F-35 and the F-22.

Let's also not forget that this will be the Russian's first operational stealth aircraft while Uncle Sam has been doing this since the 80s. Do you think the Americans might have learned a thing or two during their decades of experience with developing and operating stealth aircraft?

Given all of the above mentioned factors, my guess is that the PAK-FA will be significantly less stealthy than the F-35, will have significantly inferior avionics, computer and communications systems and will also have more design flaws. That's not even taking into consideration things like pilot training, numbers of aircraft in play, jamming, electronic warfare, AWACS, logistics etc.

So in conclusion, I think that most encounters between F-35s and PAK-FAs will turn out like engagements between the F-16/F-15 and the MiG-29. Remember, we're unlikely to be facing the Russians or Indians in air-to-air combat. Instead, if we do ever end up engaging the PAK-FA it will be flown by the likes of the Iranians, Sudanese, North Koreans etc.
 
ok....who are your sources ? your making some outrages claims ... some reasonable evidence behind that ....



in Dollars ? was planning on getting a brand new Graphics card next year....some extra money will help

Why should I divulge?It could get me in trouble and ruin me. you will see the coming of congress to power. The only way to prevent it is to have transparent ballot boxes and that the vote count be done in front of the public,Tv and webcam.
 
Why should I divulge?It could get me in trouble and ruin me. you will see the coming of congress to power. The only way to prevent it is to have transparent ballot boxes and that the vote count be done in front of the public,Tv and webcam.

why was this not used in Gujarat or other elections were congress lost ?
 
pappu and company will come back to power.Thats decided at the top. How do you think I know about shiv sena's hands in helping naxals?

My sources are a lot stronger than you can think. I will leave india in coming time. India is no longer safe .Might head for latin america or some small island nation.



Congress will come to power by rigging the vote machines or bribing the EC.

Award for best Conspiracy Theorist of this thread goes to @sovcomflot :lol:
 
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Why should I divulge?It could get me in trouble and ruin me. you will see the coming of congress to power. The only way to prevent it is to have transparent ballot boxes and that the vote count be done in front of the public,Tv and webcam.

Mr. Conspiracy counting is done in front of public eyes since ages and nowadays cams are also used.
 
I think intelligent people would agree that even before the end of the Cold War, the Soviets were behind the West when it came to radars and avionics. After the fall of the Soviet Union, the Russian economy absolutely tanked. R&D expenditures hit rock bottom. Even today, now that the Russian economy has recovered somewhat, its funding for R&D lags far behind that of the United States.

Are we really to believe that the Russians have caught up to the US despite a long period of time when their R&D was virtually zero? Even today, the Russian defense budget is about a 10th of the United States'. How many world-leading telecommunications and computer companies are based in Russia? I sure can't think of any. Remember also that the PAK-FA is being developed on a fraction of the budget of the F-35 and the F-22.

Let's also not forget that this will be the Russian's first operational stealth aircraft while Uncle Sam has been doing this since the 80s. Do you think the Americans might have learned a thing or two during their decades of experience with developing and operating stealth aircraft?

Given all of the above mentioned factors, my guess is that the PAK-FA will be significantly less stealthy than the F-35, will have significantly inferior avionics, computer and communications systems and will also have more design flaws. That's not even taking into consideration things like pilot training, numbers of aircraft in play, jamming, electronic warfare, AWACS, logistics etc.

So in conclusion, I think that most encounters between F-35s and PAK-FAs will turn out like engagements between the F-16/F-15 and the MiG-29. Remember, we're unlikely to be facing the Russians or Indians in air-to-air combat. Instead, if we do ever end up engaging the PAK-FA it will be flown by the likes of the Iranians, Sudanese, North Koreans etc.

A load of Total BS....This is the interview of Alexander Velovich — MiG Designer on Mig-31 in code one magazine.

Does the openness of the American system ever work to its disadvantage?

No. And I know where this question leads. There is so much talking and writing about Russians implementing other countries' achievements into our weapon systems. This was done but to about one-tenth the level that most Americans probably suspect. I'd like to quote chief designer of the MIG-29 and a man for whom I worked for many years Mikhail Waldenberg. He said "Seeing how your neighbor plows his field does not prevent you from pouring your sweat when you plow your own field."

There was much speculation that the MIG-29's radar was a copy of the Hughes' APO-65 on the F/A-18. I swear this was not the case. The radars first of all are completely different. Russian radar designers went through their own paces to get what they got. We did acquire the APO-65 but it was too late in our design process to use it.

When an air-to-air missile was chosen for the MIG-29 in the early 1970s we had access to an AIM-7 Sparrow from North Vietnam. The missile was closely inspected and evaluated. We decided that it was not any better than our own R-27 missile (NATO-designated AA-10 Alamo) which was being developed for the MIG-29. The Sparrow was put on the shelf and forgotten.



The perception that we copied everything we could is not true. In fact I cannot think of one system in the MIG-29 that was copied from an American system. We went our own way and made our own mistakes. We tried of course to use foreign information to develop our system better. The MIG-29 and Su-27 have an infrared search and track and a laser rangefinder. There is no such system on the equivalent American fighters.

The MIG-31 had the first airborne phased-array radar with electronic scanning. The system permits you to throw the radar beam from one sector to another without having to mechanically move an antenna dish. Until your Advanced Tactical Fighter, not a single American fighter had an active phased-array radar with electronic scanning. Your first airborne electronic scanning radar, the APQ-164, was on the B-1B. It appeared about two or three years after the MIG-31 radar.

In his recent book, Fulcrum, Alexander Zuyev, a top MIG-29 pilot who defected to the West, documented that an American spy working at a Russian radar design and manufacturing bureau for many years gave away Russian secrets to America. I have not come across one mention of the possibility of Americans copying Russian radar technology even though the circumstances and timing seem to support this.

But I don't believe that your APQ-164 was a copy of ours. People on both sides of the Atlantic work on common problems and come up with similar solutions.


When we first came to America with the MIG-29 in 1990, I kept hearing and reading that we copied the F-14 because Our aircraft looks like the F-14. They also said that we copied the F-18 because the MIG-29 looks like the F-18. Well, it's true that all three aircraft have two fins and two engines.

Fortunately, the F-16 has a single engine and one fin, so I haven't noticed anyone saying that we copied the F-16. But the F-15, F-14, and F-18 have two engines and two fins, so we copied each and all of them. I've read this in dozens of publications. Well, from the front, the MIG-29 resembles the F-14. From the side, an F-15. Its overall takeoff weight is similar to the F/A-18. So what?

People trying to meet approximately the same requirements come to approximately the same solutions. That's physics, which is not colored in red, white, and blue - or red.

Assuming we're incorrect in these beliefs, why do you think Americans accuse the Soviets of stealing technology?

You have achieved so much. Your country is a mighty world power. So you tend to see everything as proof of your own achievements. You express self-pride at the expense of self-criticism. Americans have always underestimated the skills of foreigners - Asians, Europeans, everyone else.
404: Code One Magazine
 
Your giving the Russians waay too much credit ..

As for CIA.....that link says they want to destroy Pakistan , contain china and then split India.... That is quiet impossible.. doing a soviet union on India in this day and age is extremely hard, lets not even go to destroying Pakistan or containing china ..

There is a reason we joined the BRICS nations ...something is going behind the scenes which we are not aware off ....

edit: Besides.....i have this concrete feeling our entire media are stooges of the west

Syria should be a an example the West and other countries have shown to the world of how countries are going to be re-bordered in the future. There should be no doubt how much cultural and religious idiocy means in south east asia. We showed them the door in 1971 and it will be shown to us through out till both of us shall live.
 
Its more related to the Corporate lobby and the IMF puppets who rule india who are taking India into the western alliance.If Russia was greedy it would not have given supersonic sea skimming missile technology or nuclear submarines.West will never do TOT of nuclear subs ,Russia did.

According to RAW ,CIA has plans to split india from 2015 onwards.

Which supersonic sea skimming missile technology Russia gave? Brahmos?, and what TOT we got in Nuke subs??....Well I guess we are overstating the facts here as Russia had its own interests too...it wasnt a friendly offer only.:coffee:
 
Which supersonic sea skimming missile technology Russia gave? Brahmos?, and what TOT we got in Nuke subs??....Well I guess we are overstating the facts here as Russia had its own interests too...it wasnt a friendly offer only.:coffee:

Okay,show me to how many nations,Russia offered this?
 
Syria should be a an example the West and other countries have shown to the world of how countries are going to be re-bordered in the future. There should be no doubt how much cultural and religious idiocy means in south east asia. We showed them the door in 1971 and it will be shown to us through out till both of us shall live.

The west of 1971 and the west today are two different things.
 
The west of 1971 and the west today are two different things.

The west of 1971 was more upfront in its dealings against nations and openly supported or declared wars against super powers of that time. The west now is more cunning and 10000 times more calculated in its approach towards its targets.
 

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