Difference Between Pakistani Pseudo Liberals, Indian Liberals & Indian Hindutva Extremists

[Lincoln]

Well since now a lot of Pakistani "dissidents" and pseudo liberals like Saath forum have been exposed to work in cahoots with Indian state in its disinformation campaign against Pakistan. Lets take a look at difference between these 3 apparent different sections of Pakistani and Indian society:

Pakistani Pseudo Liberals:

Hate Pakistan
Hate Pakistan Army
Hate Pakistani institutions
Hate Islamic ideology of Pakistan

Indian Liberals:

Hate Pakistan
Hate Pakistan Army
Hate Pakistani institutions
Hate Islamic ideology of Pakistan

Indian Hindutva Extremists:

Hate Pakistan
Hate Pakistan Army
Hate Pakistani institutions
Hate Islamic ideology of Pakistan

Al Bakistani need to get a few things right.

1. Liberals:

Don't hate Army, they hate the Generals who meddle in politics.
Don't hate Pakistan, they hate the backwardness of its people.
Yeah, we hate the Al Bakistani ideology.

2. Indian Liberals

Hate Indian RSS (oh look, Pakistanis and Indian liberals have something in common, this means Indian liberals are bad right?)
Hate the idea of a Hindu Rashtra

3. Indian conservatives

The opposite end of Al Bakistanis


As you can see the only sane people here are the liberals. Great thread, by the way, it's nice to see al Bakistanis contribute such amazing, world changing information
Finally after 60+ years rule by al Bakistanis, Pakistan will become a first world country (seriously though, when do u plan to unfuck the country?)

Are you okay with Islam as state religion? You know the reason why Pakistan exists today?

Zimbabweans love their country, Fijians are also patriots in regards to Fiji and even Brazilians are proud of their Country. Pakistan is different it’s Not the private property of a royal family, it’s not an ethno-state, it’s foundation has a purpose. People loving the countries they were born in is nothing special.

Most Pakistani liberals I know hate on Pakistans Islamic identity 24/7 and they worship white masters. Everything western is great, everything Islamic or Pakistani is bad. And their solution for every problem in Pakistan? Legalize gay marriage in 2021 and Mars colony of Pakistan in 2022! Yeah...

A non backward society will certainly solve a lot of problems pakistan faces.
I mean, have you seen what mullahs have done in the previous 50 years... its not even a question of "they did nothing " they took the country, made a 360 turn and turned on those boosters - back to the 7th century folks

 

[Imran Khan]

@Areesh hum ne kya bigara hai apka ?

 

[Lincoln]

@Areesh hum ne kya bigara hai apka ?

Literally nothing.
Pakistani conservatives have had majority, and easily, influential, hard-handed rule over Pakistan for more than 80% of its lifetime.

They're only looking for a scapegoat to blame the country's problems on which their ideology couldn't fix.

Pakistan only had one, truly, somewhat liberal rule and that was under General Ayub Khan, and we all know how well Pakistan faired under that. Before that, there was a failed coup attempt by a liberal, secular Army rank in 1950's, which was stopped due to the BRITISH telling the Pakistani rulers to be beware of "Kemalists in your Army."

^pakistani conservatives

 

[Imran Khan]

Literally nothing.
Pakistani conservatives have had majority, and easily, influential, hard-handed rule over Pakistan for more than 80% of its lifetime.

They're only looking for a scapegoat to blame the country's problems on which their ideology couldn't fix.

Pakistan only had one, truly, somewhat liberal rule and that was under General Ayub Khan, and we all know how well Pakistan faired under that. Before that, there was a failed coup attempt by a liberal, secular Army rank in 1950's, which was stopped due to the BRITISH telling the Pakistani rulers to be beware of "Kemalists in your Army."

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^pakistani conservatives

as a liberal i dont see that how i am anti pakistan . if they did not harm public and country i will welcome mixed thoughts from every side it will make us multi diversity country sir ..

 

[Iltutmish]

A non backward society will certainly solve a lot of problems pakistan faces.
I mean, have you seen what mullahs have done in the previous 50 years... its not even a question of "they did nothing " they took the country, made a 360 turn and turned on those boosters - back to the 7th century folks

Mullah rule? Are Oxford and Cambridge madrassas now? For the record: those scotch sipping wannabe whites weren’t mullahs. Pakistan backwardness is due to the bad policies implemented by those said „mullahs“ trained in the West.

Capitalism and free markets would be great, but wait the Oxford mullahs don’t want competition for their cronies and cousins, right?

Kemalists in your Army."

Kemalism is anti-religious ethno-fascism. A thing a multicultural religious society like Pakistan cannot implement.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Well since now a lot of Pakistani "dissidents" and pseudo liberals like Saath forum have been exposed to work in cahoots with Indian state in its disinformation campaign against Pakistan. Lets take a look at difference between these 3 apparent different sections of Pakistani and Indian society:

Pakistani Pseudo Liberals:

Hate Pakistan
Hate Pakistan Army
Hate Pakistani institutions
Hate Islamic ideology of Pakistan

Indian Liberals:

Hate Pakistan
Hate Pakistan Army
Hate Pakistani institutions
Hate Islamic ideology of Pakistan

Indian Hindutva Extremists:

Hate Pakistan
Hate Pakistan Army
Hate Pakistani institutions
Hate Islamic ideology of Pakistan

Pakistani kind are the group of elitist hippies, who spent time in West or go there for their summer and shopping trips. live a plush, brand conscious designer life in the Urban city and comment on Pakistan from the comfort of their homes.

they simply hate the country , its people, the customs and everything Pakistani so they start from criticizing mocking its biggest representation which is Pakistan military and then the Muslim faith itself.
their criticism is mainly hate based they are not seeking any solution. their commentary both verbal and written is an explanation why they hate the country.
it is just natural that they will find comfort and justification in joining any camp in the west or India that has an unfavorable view of Pakistan. the Western media will quote them and ask them to comment on Pakistani politics the effect of its military and the customs of Pakistanis.

 

[Lincoln]

Mullah rule? Are Oxford and Cambridge madrassas now? For the record: those scotch sipping wannabe whites weren’t mullahs. Pakistan backwardness is due to the bad policies implemented by those said „mullahs“ trained in the West.

Capitalism and free markets would be great, but wait the Oxford mullahs don’t want competition for their cronies and cousins, right?

Oxford, or Cambridge, or wherever any of them come from.

They only enacted religious policies, and supported them. This is because just because you study in an English school, doesn't mean you become a liberal.
These colleges give you the freedom to think, they don't indoctrinate you.

And since many Pakistanis are so conservative, they will pick conservative politicians, or force their arm otherwise through threats of country lockdown, calling for rebellion, extra judicial killings, and what not.

You cannot deny that for more than 80% of Pakistan's lifetime, it has been under conservative rule. You might be the first one to deny it. The closest Pakistan ever came to liberal, secular rule was under Ayub Khan. Rest is history!

Pakistani kind are the group of elitist hippies, who spent time in West or go there for their summer and shopping trips. live a plush, brand conscious designer life in the Urban city and comment on Pakistan from the comfort of their homes.

they simply hate the country , its people, the customs and everything Pakistani so they start from criticizing mocking its biggest representation which is Pakistan military and then the Muslim faith itself.
their criticism is mainly hate based they are not seeking any solution. their commentary both verbal and written is an explanation why they hate the country.
it is just natural that they will find comfort and justification in joining any camp in the west or India that has an unfavorable view of Pakistan. the Western media will quote them and ask them to comment on Pakistani politics the effect of its military and the customs of Pakistanis.

You don't need any outside justification to hate the Pakistani system which has created so much chaos, poverty, corruption, and backwardness. Not rocket science, is it?

Also, take note, how many of the hardliners on this forum live abroad in liberal countries. Not the other way around.

Liberal ideology is increasing, and only a matter of time before in the coming generations, Pakistan will finally free itself up from these religious doctrines.

 

[El Sidd]

probably i cant say my dealer is quite honest in his dealing unlike our sindh police.

Honest. oh well make him PM then.

Ajkal emaandaro ka zamana hai

 

[Areesh]

Al Bakistani need to get a few things right

Okay. Let's see what the lundai ka liberal has to say

Don't hate Army, they hate the Generals who meddle in politics.

Is that why Pakistani liberals love BLA and PTM? Is it because of this love for army that they justify and sugar coat bla, blf and ptm even if they keep killing jawans of Pak army?

Don't hate Pakistan, they hate the backwardness of its people.

Is that why Pakistani liberals love pee pee pee? A party that intentionally keeps a whole province of Pakistan backward with its corruption and incompetence? Or is it because of love for Pakistan that Pakistani liberals love BLA? Same bla that wants to break Pakistan?

Yeah, we hate the Al Bakistani ideology.

What the eff is albakistani ideology? Is it the ideology that believes in two nation theory? Well even Jinnah would be an albakistani for you arab and Islam haters

2. Indian Liberals

Hate Indian RSS (oh look, Pakistanis and Indian liberals have something in common, this means Indian liberals are bad right?)
Hate the idea of a Hindu Rashtra

Someone please tell this ignorant that Indian liberals are the most important foot soldiers of RSS

It was under "liberal" congress babri masjid was first locked. It was under "liberal" congress babri masjid was demolished. It was under "liberal" anti conversion laws were first introduced in India. It was under "liberal" congress Kashmir was occupied

The opposite end of Al Bakistanis

Well we albakistanis can only wish to have as much clout in Pakistan as hindutva terrorists have in India

Literally nothing.
Pakistani conservatives have had majority, and easily, influential, hard-handed rule over Pakistan for more than 80% of its lifetime.

More than 80% history Pakistan was ruled by mullahs?

Never knew that iskandar mirza, ayub khan, yahya khan, bhutto, Nawaz sharif, musharraf, Benazir and zardari were mullahs

Well guess you learn something new everyday

 

[Lincoln]

Okay. Let's see what the lundai ka liberal has to say



Is that why Pakistani liberals love BLA and PTM? Is it because of this love for army that they justify and sugar coat bla, blf and ptm even if they keep killing jawans of Pak army?



Is that why Pakistani liberals love pee pee pee? A party that intentionally keeps a whole province of Pakistan backward with its corruption and incompetence? Or is it because of love for Pakistan that Pakistani liberals love BLA? Same bla that wants to break Pakistan?



What the eff is albakistani ideology? Is it the ideology that believes in two nation theory? Well even Jinnah would be an albakistani for you arab and Islam haters



Someone please tell this ignorant that Indian liberals are the most important foot soldiers of RSS

It was under "liberal" congress babri masjid was first locked. It was under "liberal" congress babri masjid was demolished. It was under "liberal" anti conversion laws were first introduced in India. It was under "liberal" congress Kashmir was occupied




Well we albakistanis can only wish to have as much clout in Pakistan as hindutva terrorists have in India


More than 80% history Pakistan was ruled by mullahs?

Never knew that iskandar mirza, ayub khan, yahya khan, bhutto, Nawaz sharif, musharraf, Benazir and zardari were mullahs

Well guess you learn something new everyday

Congress is the most liberal india has to offer. But it isn't liberal.

Just like PPP is most the liberal pakistan has to offer but isn't liberal.

Because majority rules. Indian liberals were against destruction of masjid.

Secondly; liberals don't love PPP, not sure where you get this from. PPP has most supporters from interior sindh which is the most backward in the country.

Al Bakistani is not two nation theory, i refer to sad arabization of our country and culture, and also the sad precedence to religious rule over the people's rule.

Also, conservative muslims had way more clout in Pakistan than hindutva in India during Zias time.

Iskander Mirza, Yahya, Bhutto, Nawaz Sharif, Benezir, Zardari...
Their personal life aside. How is their political life liberal? Nawaz Sharif literally led an Islamic conservative party brought up by ISI in 1990. PPP outlawed the rights of Ahmedis.
Yahya was not a liberal, the dude was a dictator who couldn't give a ****.
And finally, recall under who Pakistan became an islamic republic

 

[hussain0216]

Congress is the most liberal india has to offer. But it isn't liberal.

Just like PPP is most the liberal pakistan has to offer but isn't liberal.

Because majority rules. Indian liberals were against destruction of masjid.

Secondly; liberals don't love PPP, not sure where you get this from. PPP has most supporters from interior sindh which is the most backward in the country.

Al Bakistani is not two nation theory, i refer to sad arabization of our country and culture, and also the sad precedence to religious rule over the people's rule.

Also, conservative muslims had way more clout in Pakistan than hindutva in India during Zias time.

Iskander Mirza, Yahya, Bhutto, Nawaz Sharif, Benezir, Zardari...
Their personal life aside. How is their political life liberal? Nawaz Sharif literally led an Islamic conservative party brought up by ISI in 1990. PPP outlawed the rights of Ahmedis.
Yahya was not a liberal, the dude was a dictator who couldn't give a ****.
And finally, recall under who Pakistan became an islamic republic

PAKISTAN is a religious nation for its religious and conservative people

Dosent Matter what happens but that is the reality for PAKISTAN

You can cry, you can whine, you can bitch but it dosent matter

 

[Bawag]

Well since now a lot of Pakistani "dissidents" and pseudo liberals like Saath forum have been exposed to work in cahoots with Indian state in its disinformation campaign against Pakistan. Lets take a look at difference between these 3 apparent different sections of Pakistani and Indian society:

Pakistani Pseudo Liberals:

Hate Pakistan
Hate Pakistan Army
Hate Pakistani institutions
Hate Islamic ideology of Pakistan

Indian Liberals:

Hate Pakistan
Hate Pakistan Army
Hate Pakistani institutions
Hate Islamic ideology of Pakistan

Indian Hindutva Extremists:

Hate Pakistan
Hate Pakistan Army
Hate Pakistani institutions
Hate Islamic ideology of Pakistan

I am not going to comment on the first 2 categories, but the 3rd one hates anything which has an element of Pakistan in it.

Pakistan is a reminder of their shameful history of defeats. And as long as Pakistan exists, their pain and misery will never go. They won't be able to rewrite their history as they want to. Right now, they can fool their own people with their own version of history but with the existence of Pakistan that version will always be wronged

 

[Markandeya]

You missed out Muslim Extremist and Terrorists.

What about them. Do they love Pakistan? Do they Hate India? Are they Halal and represent true Pakistani Ethoes and Values.

 

[Iltutmish]

Oxford, or Cambridge, or wherever any of them come from.

They were trained in the West, admired and kinda worshipped everything White and tried to copy their lifestyle 150% but yeah, they are still mad mullahs for not legalizing gay marriage in the 1960ies. Got it!

These colleges give you the freedom to think, they don't indoctrinate you.

It's funny that you really think a GOVERNMENT RUN institution gives you the tools to think freely. Government is all about indoctrination, it's all about controlling, shaping and uniforming the people. If you want to think freely you need to abandon the thought that a government has god-like authority. This is the message of Islam. No masters or kings, only Allah is the one true authority in this universe. This is the reason why you liberals cannot stand Islam as religion, every other religion is domesticated and distorted to the bone.

And since many Pakistanis are so conservative, they will pick conservative politicians,

So democracy is evil now I thought democracy is a process of free thinking and every open-minded person comes to the conclusion that democracy is great and stuff?

or force their arm otherwise through threats of country lockdown, calling for rebellion, extra judicial killings, and what not.

So the lack of rule of law is also the fault of "conservatives" or is just the result of having corrupt self-servinc politicians who are all trained in the West? I agree Pakistan is not the paradise on earth but our conclusions differ. You say evil Islam is the root cause, I say it's the lack of it.

You don't need any outside justification to hate the Pakistani system which has created so much chaos, poverty, corruption, and backwardness. Not rocket science, is it?

Yes, and what is the solution? More nudity and government-run abortion centers? The funny thing is that you liberals don't copy the free markets of the West, don't support education (religious education is as important as knowing how to calculate) and if you want to copy England, copy its Act of Uniformity to end religious sectarianism. But no, all you want is gay marriages, alcoholism, hook-up-culture and the abolishment of tradition and family values. What's wrong with you? Copy all the bad things of the West will not make Pakistan a better place. For this you need to think freely and actually live in a Western country to see behind the white colour.

Also, take note, how many of the hardliners on this forum live abroad in liberal countries. Not the other way around.

I was a child when I came to Germany. As my Grandfather and father came to Germany there was no gay culture, no hook-up culture (living together without being married was also forbidden), but still Germany was a better place then than Pakistan is now. Why? Maybe it's the work ethos (a thing that we can learn from our Prophet PBUH)? Maybe the fact that people are free in regards to their economic means? Why don't we copy that?

Liberal ideology is increasing, and only a matter of time before in the coming generations, Pakistan will finally free itself up from these religious doctrines.

This is atheist propaganda. It is dangerous to make forecasts, especially about the future. I hear that since 2000 that in 2030 no religion will be left. This may be true for other "religions" but Islam is here to stay, especially in a country like Pakistan that was BUILD IN THE NAME OF ISLAM.

Congress is the most liberal india has to offer. But it isn't liberal.

Please define the word liberal.

 

[Kambojaric]

as a liberal i dont see that how i am anti pakistan . if they did not harm public and country i will welcome mixed thoughts from every side it will make us multi diversity country sir ..


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Well said. There are conservatives and liberals who are/have been anti-Pakistan and then there are those who are pro-Pakistan. A preeminent scholar like Hussain Ahmed Madani pops into my mind when I think of conservatives who were against Pakistan during the time when we needed Muslims to unite for the Pakistan cause. Jinnah meanwhile would most certainly be considered a liberal. Nevertheless lumping whole sections of society under one blanket is unfair and leads to no good. For a nation to be successful it needs all sections of society to work together.