Did we shoot our own passenger plane?

[El Sidd]

Hopefully Boeing will get no information whatsoever. Boeing has stopped working with Iran decades ago.

And I am not there to know what the Ukrainians have access to or not. You're talking to the wrong guy, man. But Ukrainians have been invited to Iran and they are currently in Iran. Canada and Sweden have been invited too apparently.

You are not cracking that code without help of Boeing. Like it or not and it is a standard procedure.

 

[Dr. Strangelove]

• September 29, 2006: Gol Transportes Aéreos Flight 1907, a brand-new 737-800 with 154 people on board broke up and crashed following a midair collision in Brazil with an Embraer Legacy 600. All on board the 737-800 were killed. The Legacy landed safely at a Brazilian Air Force base.[96]
• May 5, 2007: Kenya Airways Flight 507, a 737-800 carrying 105 passengers and nine crew lost contact and crashed into a swamp on a flight to Nairobi, Kenya from Abidjan, Côte d'Ivoire, after making a scheduled stop at Douala, Cameroon. There were no survivors.
• February 25, 2009: Turkish Airlines Flight 1951, a 737-800 coming from Istanbul, crashed in a field near the Polderbaan while attempting to land at Amsterdam's Schiphol Airport. The fuselage broke into three pieces after the crash and the engine pylons separated. Of the 135 passengers and crew, there were nine fatalities: five passengers and four crew members (including both pilots and a pilot-in-training); 84 people suffered injuries. Crash investigations initially focused on a malfunctioning left radar altimeter, which may have resulted in false altitude information causing the autothrottle to reduce power.[97]
• January 25, 2010: Ethiopian Airlines Flight 409, a 737-800, crashed into the Mediterranean Sea shortly after take-off from Beirut Rafic Hariri International Airport. The flight had 90 passengers and 8 crew, 50 passengers of whom were Lebanese, and was bound for the Ethiopian capital of Addis Ababa. There were no survivors.[98][99]

• May 22, 2010: Air India Express Flight 812, a 737-800, overran the runway on landing at Mangalore International Airport, killing 158 passengers including six crew on board. There were eight survivors. The airliner crashed through the fence at the end of the runway going into a valley 200 feet below. Although the 8,000 ft runway is sufficient for landing there was no bare land at the end of the runway on the table top airport to account for mistakes.[100][101][102]
• March 19, 2016: Flydubai Flight 981, a 737-800 flying from Dubai, United Arab Emirates to Rostov-on-Don, Russia, crashed on the final approach to Rostov-on-Don Airport in inclement weather. All 62 people on board died.[104]
• September 28, 2018: Air Niugini Flight 73, a 737-800, on a flight from Pohnpei, Federated States of Micronesia, to Port Moresby, Papua New Guinea, with an intermediate stop at Chuuk International Airport, undershot the runway at Chuuk and landed in a lagoon. One of the 47 occupants died.[105]
• January 8, 2020: Ukraine International Airlines Flight 752 operated by a Boeing 737-800, crashed shortly after taking off from Imam Khomeini International Airport in Tehran, Iran, bound for Kiev, Ukraine. There were no survivors among the 167 passengers and 9 crew.[106][107]

• August 20, 2007: China Airlines Flight 120, a 737-800 inbound from Taipei, caught fire shortly after landing at Naha Airport on the Japanese island of Okinawa. There were no fatalities. Following this accident, the US Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) issued an Emergency Airworthiness Directive (EAD) on August 25 ordering inspection of all Boeing 737NG series aircraft for loose components in the wing leading edge slats within 24 days. On August 28, after initial reports from these inspections, the FAA issued a further EAD requiring a detailed borescope inspection within 10 days, and an explicit tightening of a nut-and-bolt assembly within 24 days.[108]

• November 10, 2008: Ryanair Flight 4102, a 737-800 from Frankfurt-Hahn suffered substantial damage in an emergency landing at Rome Ciampino Airport. The cause of the accident was stated to be birdstrikes affecting both engines. The port undercarriage of the 737 collapsed.[109] Of the six crew and 166 passengers on board,[110] two crew and eight passengers were taken to hospital with minor injuries.[111] The engines and undercarriage were damaged along with the rear fuselage by contact with the runway.[112]
• December 22, 2009: American Airlines Flight 331, a 737-800 (registration N977AN) overran the runway at Norman Manley International Airport in Kingston, Jamaica during a landing hampered by poor weather. The aircraft continued on the ground outside the airport perimeter and broke apart causing injuries. All 154 persons on board survived.
• July 30, 2011: Caribbean Airlines Flight 523, a 737-800, overran the runway in rainy weather and crashed through the perimeter fence while landing at Cheddi Jagan International Airport in Guyana. The aircraft broke into two at the forward fuselage. There were no fatalities, but several passengers were injured with at least two passengers suffering broken legs.[113][114][115] Caribbean Airlines confirmed 157 passengers and 6 crew members were on board.[116]
• October 14, 2012: Corendon Airlines Flight 773, a 737-800, TC-TJK, sustained substantial fire damage to the cockpit at Antalya Airport in Turkey. The fire started in the flightdeck during push-back from the gate. There were 189 passengers and 7 crew on board; 27 passengers were hospitalized, with 2 serious injuries reported from the emergency evacuation.[117]
• April 13, 2013: Lion Air Flight 904, a 737-800 (registration PK-LKS) operating from Bandung to Denpasar in Indonesia with 108 people on board, undershot runway 09 and crashed into the sea while landing at Ngurah Rai International Airport. The aircraft’s fuselage ruptured slightly near the wings. All passengers and crew were safely evacuated with only minor injuries.[118]
• January 13, 2018: Pegasus Airlines Flight 8622, a 737-800, slid off the runway at Trabzon Airport while landing in rain. There were no fatalities.
• August 16, 2018: Xiamen Airlines Flight 8667, a 737-800 (registration B-5498), crash-landed at Manila's Ninoy Aquino International Airport, Philippines during heavy monsoon rains. The 737-800 skidded off the end of the runway, causing left engine and main gear to collapse. All 157 passengers and crew safely evacuated.[119][120]
• September 1, 2018: Utair Flight 579, a 737-800, on a flight from Vnukovo International Airport with 164 passengers and 6 crew, overran the runway and caught fire while landing at Sochi International Airport, injuring 18 people.[121]
• May 3, 2019: Miami Air Flight 293, a Boeing 737-800, a military charter flight from Guantanamo Bay to Naval Air Station Jacksonville with 143 passengers and crew, skidded off the runway into the St. Johns River in shallow waters attempting to land during a thunderstorm, there were 21 minor injuries but no fatalities.

There are over 5000 737-800s there are bound to be some accidents its doesnt make the design unsafe. 737 Series (over 10,000) is one of the most reliable and mass produced series of Airliners. Weather Iran shot it or not if it was an egine failure or not we will eventually know.

 

[Arian]

You are not cracking that code without help of Boeing. Like it or not and it is a standard procedure.

You are no one to say what we will be doing or not. Stop pretending that anybody cares about your opinion. lol

 

[El Sidd]

You are no one to say what we will be doing or not. Stop pretending that anybody cares about your opinion. lol

I am telling you that there are legal implications of this and you cannot deny those rights to the concerned parties.

 

[Arian]

I am telling you that there are legal implications of this and you cannot deny those rights to the concerned parties.

I am not aware of those legal implications, but as I said before, countries who had nationals onboard have been invited to investigate it. I am not aware whether Boeing should be invited too or not.

 

[El Sidd]

I am not aware of those legal implications, but as I said before, countries who had nationals onboard have been invited to investigate it. I am not aware whether Boeing should be invited too or not.

The airplane that got destroyed was a Boeing jet if you need reminding.

 

[Arian]

The airplane that got destroyed was a Boeing jet if you need reminding.

And I remind you that you have not cited any valid source for your claim that Boeing must be involved in this too. I am not interested in your personal opinion. If you have a valid source that it is obligatory to share information with the airplane manufacturer too, please cite it.

 

[El Sidd]

And I remind you that you have not cited any valid source for your claim that Boeing must be involved in this too. I am not interested in your personal opinion. If you have a valid source that it is obligatory to share information with the airplane manufacturer too, please cite it.

ask your aviation authorities. they will tell you that without involving Boeing or manufacturer, you will not be able to get all the data from that blackbox.

 

[Arian]

ask your aviation authorities. they will tell you that without involving Boeing or manufacturer, you will not be able to get all the data from that blackbox.

Unless flight data are securely encrypted, I am sure that it can be read without Boeing. And in most cases, black boxes are produced by a third party, not by Boeing itself.

Anyway, as I said first, I hope that they won't share any information with Boeing. That doesn't mean that I oppose sharing information with them if it is absolutely necessary.

 

[El Sidd]

Unless flight data are securely encrypted, I am sure that it can be read without Boeing. And in most cases, black boxes are produced by a third party, not by Boeing itself.

Anyway, as I said first, I hope that they won't share any information with Boeing. That doesn't mean that I oppose sharing information with them if it is absolutely necessary.

We will have to see. It seems Iran will comply without creating a fuss and rightly so.

 

[TheImmortal]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1215313078918746113

 

[mangekyo]

This makes no sense to me. Was this the only plane that had a take off from Tehran around that time? Is the airport in Tehran really that inactive? Cant be

 

[F-22Raptor]

The US increasingly believes that Iran mistakenly shot down a Ukrainian airliner on Wednesday, according to multiple US officials. The working theory is based on continuing analysis of data from satellites, radar and electronic data collected routinely by US military and intelligence.

The flight crashed following Iranian strikes on US forces in Iraq.
President Donald Trump on Thursday said he suspected the crash was not due to mechanical issues, indicating that "somebody could have made a mistake on the other side."
Asked during a White House event what he thought happened to the plane, Trump said, "Well, I have my suspicions."

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/09/politics/is-iran-ukraine-plane/index.html

 

[R Wing]

You are missing the point of this post, this is NOT about whether the plane was shutdown or not but about why it was allowed to take off.

Why would we even be firing AA in Tehran! That doesn’t even make sense.

I am supposed to believe ONE fighter jet passed through ALL Iranian air defenses and reached Tehran and decided to hang out by the airport?

If it was indeed shot down by AA, then Iran needs to court martial the officers involved because you have to be full on retarded to think ONE aircraft made it all the to Tehran and just HAPPENED to be hanging out at the airport and oh yeah has an RCS of a damn passenger plane.

Hang all the officers involved in this mess.



Why would there be a NOTAM? There was no military activity in Tehran area and it was 5 hours after the missile strikes that took place in Southwestern Iran.

The aircraft was went down 8 mins after take off, it’s not like it went down near the border.

Like the US hung the perpetrators of various massacres, the countless civilian deaths via drone strikes (collateral damage) and offensives (Fallujah, etc.)...?

I agree that operators of various military systems whose lack of sound judgment causes the loss of human life should be hanged --- in all countries, across the board. But in America, it's all good --- it's just a bunch of people in poorer countries that show up as a number in some report.

 

[RIP Pak LAW]

CBS News quoting US intelligence said a satellite detected infrared "blips" of two missile launches, followed by another blip of an explosion.