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Did the Turks fathered the greeks? or is that a myth

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Ok what the f*ck have you been smoking,ey? Just delete the thread.

I thought you knew that Muslim and non-Muslim communities don't intermingle like that. It's extremely rare.

Just stop it and delete the whole thread,it's nothing but flamebait

Leave them alone. Just classify the survivors according to the degree of insanity on display. Or, if you prefer, the degree of irresponsibility on display.
 
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No, since Turks were almost completly wiped out in Greece. Genetic analyses show that they left zero impact on Greek DNA.

Glad i could answer your question.



The Greeks really do have near-mythical origins, ancient DNA reveals
Analysis connects Greeks to the famed Mycenaeans and Minoans
Fragment of The lady from Mycenae
A Mycenaean woman depicted on a fresco at Mycenae on mainland Greece.© YANN FORGET/WIKIMEDIA COMMONS
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Ever since the days of Homer, Greeks have long idealized their Mycenaean "ancestors" in epic poems and classic tragedies that glorify the exploits of Odysseus, King Agamemnon, and other heroes who went in and out of favor with the Greek gods. Although these Mycenaeans were fictitious, scholars have debated whether today's Greeks descend from the actual Mycenaeans, who created a famous civilization that dominated mainland Greece and the Aegean Sea from about 1600 B.C.E. to 1200 B.C.E., or whether the ancient Mycenaeans simply vanished from the region.
Now, ancient DNA suggests that living Greeks are indeed the descendants of Mycenaeans, with only a small proportion of DNA from later migrations to Greece. And the Mycenaeans themselves were closely related to the earlier Minoans, the study reveals, another great civilization that flourished on the island of Crete from 2600 B.C.E. to 1400 B.C.E. (named for the mythical King Minos).
Lion Gate in Mycene

The Lion Gate was the main entrance to the Bronze Age citadel of Mycenae, the center of the Mycenaean civilization.
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The ancient DNA comes from the teeth of 19 people, including 10 Minoans from Crete dating to 2900 B.C.E. to 1700 BCE, four Mycenaeans from the archaeological site at Mycenae and other cemeteries on the Greek mainland dating from 1700 B.C.E. to 1200 B.C.E., and five people from other early farming or Bronze Age (5400 B.C.E. to 1340 B.C.E.) cultures in Greece and Turkey. By comparing 1.2 million letters of genetic code across these genomes to those of 334 other ancient people from around the world and 30 modern Greeks, the researchers were able to plot how the individuals were related to each other.
The ancient Mycenaeans and Minoans were most closely related to each other, and they both got three-quarters of their DNA from early farmers who lived in Greece and southwestern Anatolia, which is now part of Turkey, the team reports today in Nature. Both cultures additionally inherited DNA from people from the eastern Caucasus, near modern-day Iran, suggesting an early migration of people from the east after the early farmers settled there but before Mycenaeans split from Minoans.
The Mycenaeans did have an important difference: They had some DNA—4% to 16%—from northern ancestors who came from Eastern Europe or Siberia. This suggests that a second wave of people from the Eurasian steppe came to mainland Greece by way of Eastern Europe or Armenia, but didn't reach Crete, says Iosif Lazaridis, a population geneticist at Harvard University who co-led the study.
Fresco fragment of a dancing woman

This dancing Minoan woman from a fresco at Knossos, Crete (1600–1450 B.C.E.), resembles the Mycenaean women (above).
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Not surprisingly, the Minoans and Mycenaeans looked alike, both carrying genes for brown hair and brown eyes. Artists in both cultures painted dark-haired, dark-eyed people on frescoes and pottery who resemble each other, although the two cultures spoke and wrote different languages. The Mycenaeans were more militaristic, with art replete with spears and images of war, whereas Minoan art showed few signs of warfare, Lazaridis says. Because the Minoans script used hieroglyphics, some archaeologists thought they were partly Egyptian, which turns out to be false.
When the researchers compared the DNA of modern Greeks to that of ancient Mycenaeans, they found a lot of genetic overlap. Modern Greeks share similar proportions of DNA from the same ancestral sources as Mycenaeans, although they have inherited a little less DNA from ancient Anatolian farmers and a bit more DNA from later migrations to Greece.
The continuity between the Mycenaeans and living people is "particularly striking given that the Aegean has been a crossroads of civilizations for thousands of years," says co-author George Stamatoyannopoulos of the University of Washington in Seattle. This suggests that the major components of the Greeks' ancestry were already in place in the Bronze Age, after the migration of the earliest farmers from Anatolia set the template for the genetic makeup of Greeks and, in fact, most Europeans. "The spread of farming populations was the decisive moment when the major elements of the Greek population were already provided," says archaeologist Colin Renfrew of the University of Cambridge in the United Kingdom, who was not involved in the work.
The results also show it is possible to get ancient DNA from the hot, dry landscape of the eastern Mediterranean, Renfrew says. He and others now have hope for getting DNA from groups such as the mysterious Hittites who came to ancient Anatolia sometime before 2000 B.C.E. and who may have been the source of Caucasian ancestry in Mycenaeans and early Indo-European languages in the region. Archaeologist Kristian Kristiansen of the University of Gothenburg in Sweden, who was not involved in the work, agrees. "The results have now opened up the next chapter in the genetic history of western Eurasia—that of the Bronze Age Mediterranean."
*Update, 11 August, 10:23 a.m.: This article has been updated with information to clarify the genetic connection between modern Greeks and ancient Mycenaeans.
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Good, good.

I LIKE people who respond to flamebait by feeling flamed. They make the planet revolve.

Incidentally, Renfrew is a trifle in shadow currently. However, your account was materially very accurate, leaving aside that citation.

When they get to the genetic ancestry of the Hittites, I shall be an interested spectator (if I live that long). They are, as you already know, part of a later set of Anatolian language speakers, so to say, with two earlier batches being detectable. My personal interest is in their temporary overthrow by the Mitanni, who, in a most amusing fashion, demonstrate precisely what the OP should have known, that a new, dominant minority that rules by conquest is typically a small population distinct and segregated from the bulk, the old inhabitants.
What happened to ancient Anatolian and east-Med civilizations long before the Helenizm dawn? Have you heard of Göbeklitepe? The oldest sanctuary found in the history of the world, dates back to 10,000 BC. And much more is coming. What happened to these people?

History flows like a river. The conversations I find the most ridiculous are those that engage in ethnicity struggles that almost reach Adam and Eve.

Don't ask his name, one man lectures people here about racism in the West and how Nazism is cursed. Then he comes to these type topics and talks about genetics and race. :D Insanity at best...

Intriguing.
Sure i know, but i could use it to show our genetic make up. :D



Well according science we greeks are genetical identical to minoan and mycenaean times.

VERY similar, not identical, surely?
 
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Good, good.

I LIKE people who respond to flamebait by feeling flamed. They make the planet revolve.

Incidentally, Renfrew is a trifle in shadow currently. However, your account was materially very accurate, leaving aside that citation.

When they get to the genetic ancestry of the Hittites, I shall be an interested spectator (if I live that long). They are, as you already know, part of a later set of Anatolian language speakers, so to say, with two earlier batches being detectable. My personal interest is in their temporary overthrow by the Mitanni, who, in a most amusing fashion, demonstrate precisely what the OP should have known, that a new, dominant minority that rules by conquest is typically a small population distinct and segregated from the bulk, the old inhabitants.


Intriguing.


VERY similar, not identical, surely?

Identical up to 98%.
 
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Good, good.

I LIKE people who respond to flamebait by feeling flamed. They make the planet revolve.

Incidentally, Renfrew is a trifle in shadow currently. However, your account was materially very accurate, leaving aside that citation.

When they get to the genetic ancestry of the Hittites, I shall be an interested spectator (if I live that long). They are, as you already know, part of a later set of Anatolian language speakers, so to say, with two earlier batches being detectable. My personal interest is in their temporary overthrow by the Mitanni, who, in a most amusing fashion, demonstrate precisely what the OP should have known, that a new, dominant minority that rules by conquest is typically a small population distinct and segregated from the bulk, the old inhabitants.


Intriguing.


VERY similar, not identical, surely?

Hittities existed way back like in the times of ancient Egypt.. During the Ilyiad in the times of the sea peoples
 
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Stop this madness

I know it is stupid and irresponsible, but somehow, it is irrepressible. As long as people don't understand the consequences of their misplaced sense of humour, this kind of stuff will keep happening. Go for a long walk, and hope that the main protagonists have murdered each other (on paper, in cyber-space) by the time you return.

Or, as I have done, and will do immediately after reading this amusing thread, go away for a year.
Throughout history, the Anatolian peninsula was like the immigration administration of this geography. Its fertile lands became a home for all who took shelter in it. Still it is... Even during the disintegration period of the Ottoman Empire, it was the last castle to take shelter. I know no one can tell you the other side of the coin, but today, a very important part of the population in Turkey is the children of those who fled the Circassian genocide. Or the children of people who were seen as Turks in the Balkans just because they were Muslims. The children of those who came from today's ME countries who fled the French or British administration...
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Of course, I am not talking about the Turkish-Greek population exchange. Turks who went to Greece by force because they were Christians, or those who came to Turkey without being Turkish just because they were Muslims... That's another story... A great state collapsed and many states emerged in its wreckage, or some others that came before collapse and expanded their territory.

TLDR, We are proud of this diversity within us and I hope we never lose it. What we fail to explain to people is the ideological basis of the nation-state founded by Atatürk. Nobody mentions that Oghuz Turks still maintain the same genetic purity. For us, there may be many ethnicities within the state, such as Kurds, other Turks, Circassians, Arabs, but they represent the nationality of the Turkish state as a whole.


You can see me as the enemy. But you are not someone the Turkish nation sees as an enemy. There is equitableness in Turkish culture, no one regards a nation 10 times smaller as its arch-enemy.

I don't think I have read your posts before.

My loss.
I was being somewhat geninue with the thread it was not done in jest

Difficult to swallow.
We have the DNA reports. Identical to minoan times. I posted the link.

Persians are arabs though.

I wish you wouldn't keep saying this. Perhaps to counter-provoke, but provocative enough, whether intended to be so or not.
 
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I wish you wouldn't keep saying this. Perhaps to counter-provoke, but provocative enough, whether intended to be so or not.

My little bro @Apollon tends to come with false sense of pride at times but he gets shout down immediately and usually walks away scott free with a pat on his head

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Like most other cases of a minority dominating a majority population through conquest, the ethnically pure element among the minority survive to this day, but in the middle of a vast number of the original inhabitants.

However, someone has gone to considerable trouble to show the genetic elements separated, and the last word should remain with him.


Sometimes, in a grey mood, it is deeply troubling. How foolish is this? Do I get a genetic check done before responding to someone I have just met?

I have so many qoutes to reply to not sure where to begin.. But don't worry I will addresse them all separately in due time. I was not expecting this thread to explod this much..

You have certainly provided an interesting take here. I do think that @vi-va somewhat came close but slightly off your take is not bad either
 
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