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Ancient real turks from history (attila/Timur) have east asian facial features like Chinese/Mongol/Koreans

Turks in Turkey have western facial features so we can only conclude that Turks are muslim greeks. the end.
 
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lol.. You are still assuming that this is a troll thread.. This is a serious subject that needs to be debated instead of all the doubts we have to tackle this at some point hence it is better to get it out of the away and discuss it now

There is no debate. Genetics show we are identical to minoans.
 
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I am gonna get flamed for this but atleast a good portion of the greeks are descendants of the Ottoman if not more then half

historians and experts have been raising this question but there is no evidence to back it but it is an old age question
 
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lol.. You are still assuming that this is a troll thread.. This is a serious subject that needs to be debate instead of all the doubts we have to tackle at once

To be honest, I understand @Foinikas feeling irritated. This topic reads like flamebait, and there is really not much to it. A relatively small band of very effective steppe based conquerors failed to put their genetic imprint on the original Anatolian population that they conquered from the Byzantines, and the Greeks are known to have come to where they are today, mainland Greece, centuries ago. Their coming is very well-recorded, starting from the original Mycenaean culture, through the later migrations - on top of an existing Anatolian/Near Eastern farmer genetic foundation - of other dialect-speaking Greeks, to the final wave, the Doric speaking Spartans, Corinthians and the like.

When they were conquered, as part of the conquest of the Byzantine Empire, by the Turks, the second wave, to be precise, they had lived in their present location for centuries. They are connected by experts to the Ahiyawa, one of the Sea People, probably of Mycenaean origin, and to the Ionians dwelling on the coasts of Anatolia, as well as throughout Greece proper, the surrounding islands, and as far north as the Illyrians and the Macedonians (Macedon had a peculiar relationship with the Greeks).

The only time that there could have been a large admixture of wandering folk was not even during the typical time of the Germanic tribes' migrations, that largely left them unaffected, but at the time that the Bulgars menaced the Byzantine Empire. Recent genetic studies have revealed, however, that even the Bulgars had no particular impact on the genetic make-up of the Greeks.

Perhaps you meant well, and you were seriously putting forth this proposition. There is really not much to it, and you may be disappointed as it is a relatively easy and straightforward matter. But there you are.
 
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Well overwhelming population of Turkey are rum meaning the people of Anatolia if they were to re-father you it would be the same shxt as Minoans.. The DNA will show the same
Actually, no. The Anatolian was a special case, and quite distinct from the Greek.

Why don't you take up some of the suggestions, and raise the question of some of the very mixed people of the Balkans? No black and white situations there.
 
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Professor Celal Şengor: Anatolians only have 7% genes from Central Asia, we are Rûm
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Celal Şengor, a professor from Turkey, made another hit against the mythology of a majority-Turkish admixture in the genetic make up Turkish-citizens, particularly those from Anatolia.

Speaking on television, the professor said that the genes of Anatolian peoples is made up of only 7% from Central Asia, the homeland of Turkic tribes.

However, the bigger surprise is what came next.

“A relevant DNA research was done in Anatolia and it turned out that we are very much Indo-Europeans,” the professor said.

“Do not forget that we are the heirs of Byzantium,” the professor continued, adding: “And because of this there were many marriages during the Ottoman period. That is why we are Muslim Rûm.”


Rûm is a derivative of the term Rhomaioi-East Roman (Ῥωμαῖοι) and is used in many Islamic countries to refer to Greeks.

Rûm is found in the pre-Islamic Namara inscription and later in the Quran (7th century), where it is used to refer to the contemporary Byzantine (Eastern Roman) Empire under its Greek-speaking emperors of the Heraclian dynasty.

Turkey calls its Greek minority Rûm, such as those living in Constantinople, Tenedos and Imvros, and refers to Greeks within Greece as Yunani (Ionian).

In this way, they differentiate the Greeks of Greece and the Greeks of Turkey.

In response to Şengor’s television segment, Turkey-born Professor Mehmet Efe Caman, who describes himself on Twitter as an “Anatolian from Constantinople with roots in Crete and Paphlagonia [on the Black Sea],” said:

“Professor Şengör says that: ‘We are Roman’ because he cannot say that today’s Turkophone Anatolians are Islamized and linguistically assimilated Greeks. Turkish-supremacist racism will collapse.

“I had the Central Asian Gene at 8.2%. It is still above the number mentioned by Professor Şengör and Murat Bardakçı.

“Joking aside, it is impossible to understand why the Turkish state has taught children the Turkish-supremacist and racist myth of ‘mass migration from Central Asia to Anatolia’ in schools for 100 years.

“Why did the Turkish state want to hide that the Anatolian people largely had Greco-Roman roots? What was the reason for this secret? Why were they afraid?


“Why did they carefully conceal the Greek origin of the large Turkish-speaking masses who were Islamized and due to linguistic assimilation?”, the professor pondered.

It is recalled that earlier this month the Turkish DNA Project, a misinformation portal known for posting genetic graphs and charts without references or sources, expressed frustration with Ancestry.com, the largest for-profit genealogy company in the world.

The misinformation project called for “all Turks to boycott this company: Ancestry.”

“AncestryDNA prioritizes to demonize the Turkish people and delegitimaze their presence in Turkey rather than giving information about the genetic structure of the relevant population,” they said in a now deleted Twitter post.
 
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Professor Celal Şengor: Anatolians only have 7% genes from Central Asia, we are Rûm
4-24.jpg


Celal Şengor, a professor from Turkey, made another hit against the mythology of a majority-Turkish admixture in the genetic make up Turkish-citizens, particularly those from Anatolia.

Speaking on television, the professor said that the genes of Anatolian peoples is made up of only 7% from Central Asia, the homeland of Turkic tribes.

However, the bigger surprise is what came next.

“A relevant DNA research was done in Anatolia and it turned out that we are very much Indo-Europeans,” the professor said.

“Do not forget that we are the heirs of Byzantium,” the professor continued, adding: “And because of this there were many marriages during the Ottoman period. That is why we are Muslim Rûm.”


Rûm is a derivative of the term Rhomaioi-East Roman (Ῥωμαῖοι) and is used in many Islamic countries to refer to Greeks.

Rûm is found in the pre-Islamic Namara inscription and later in the Quran (7th century), where it is used to refer to the contemporary Byzantine (Eastern Roman) Empire under its Greek-speaking emperors of the Heraclian dynasty.

Turkey calls its Greek minority Rûm, such as those living in Constantinople, Tenedos and Imvros, and refers to Greeks within Greece as Yunani (Ionian).

In this way, they differentiate the Greeks of Greece and the Greeks of Turkey.

In response to Şengor’s television segment, Turkey-born Professor Mehmet Efe Caman, who describes himself on Twitter as an “Anatolian from Constantinople with roots in Crete and Paphlagonia [on the Black Sea],” said:

“Professor Şengör says that: ‘We are Roman’ because he cannot say that today’s Turkophone Anatolians are Islamized and linguistically assimilated Greeks. Turkish-supremacist racism will collapse.

“I had the Central Asian Gene at 8.2%. It is still above the number mentioned by Professor Şengör and Murat Bardakçı.

“Joking aside, it is impossible to understand why the Turkish state has taught children the Turkish-supremacist and racist myth of ‘mass migration from Central Asia to Anatolia’ in schools for 100 years.

“Why did the Turkish state want to hide that the Anatolian people largely had Greco-Roman roots? What was the reason for this secret? Why were they afraid?


“Why did they carefully conceal the Greek origin of the large Turkish-speaking masses who were Islamized and due to linguistic assimilation?”, the professor pondered.

It is recalled that earlier this month the Turkish DNA Project, a misinformation portal known for posting genetic graphs and charts without references or sources, expressed frustration with Ancestry.com, the largest for-profit genealogy company in the world.

The misinformation project called for “all Turks to boycott this company: Ancestry.”

“AncestryDNA prioritizes to demonize the Turkish people and delegitimaze their presence in Turkey rather than giving information about the genetic structure of the relevant population,” they said in a now deleted Twitter post.

The turks hate being referred to as rum.. It is a part they will Hide about themselves until the graveyard and they will take that to their graveyard. The turkish grey wolf nationalism is like a drug for them they can never depart that
 
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Then the counter comes to hand,"Why don't you, Sir, start such a thread? It would be genuinely interesting."
I am gonna get flamed for this but atleast a good portion of the greeks are descendants of the Ottoman if not more then half
You deserve to be flamed for this,because I didn't think you are so ignorant. When it comes to this at least. The Ottoman Empire had a millet system. Christians and Muslims didn't mix,except on extremely rare cases. There were
various numbers of conversions to Islam throughout the centuries,but guess were most of these people ended up? In Turkey. We had the population exchange after 1922-1923 and muslims had left from Crete and the Balkans earlier. Apart from that,there was a number of orphans after the Greek genocide who were put into orphanages or given to Turkish parents. Normally their descendants are now Muslim Turks.
 
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Professor Celal Şengor: Anatolians only have 7% genes from Central Asia, we are Rûm
4-24.jpg


Celal Şengor, a professor from Turkey, made another hit against the mythology of a majority-Turkish admixture in the genetic make up Turkish-citizens, particularly those from Anatolia.

Speaking on television, the professor said that the genes of Anatolian peoples is made up of only 7% from Central Asia, the homeland of Turkic tribes.

However, the bigger surprise is what came next.

“A relevant DNA research was done in Anatolia and it turned out that we are very much Indo-Europeans,” the professor said.

“Do not forget that we are the heirs of Byzantium,” the professor continued, adding: “And because of this there were many marriages during the Ottoman period. That is why we are Muslim Rûm.”


Rûm is a derivative of the term Rhomaioi-East Roman (Ῥωμαῖοι) and is used in many Islamic countries to refer to Greeks.

Rûm is found in the pre-Islamic Namara inscription and later in the Quran (7th century), where it is used to refer to the contemporary Byzantine (Eastern Roman) Empire under its Greek-speaking emperors of the Heraclian dynasty.

Turkey calls its Greek minority Rûm, such as those living in Constantinople, Tenedos and Imvros, and refers to Greeks within Greece as Yunani (Ionian).

In this way, they differentiate the Greeks of Greece and the Greeks of Turkey.

In response to Şengor’s television segment, Turkey-born Professor Mehmet Efe Caman, who describes himself on Twitter as an “Anatolian from Constantinople with roots in Crete and Paphlagonia [on the Black Sea],” said:

“Professor Şengör says that: ‘We are Roman’ because he cannot say that today’s Turkophone Anatolians are Islamized and linguistically assimilated Greeks. Turkish-supremacist racism will collapse.

“I had the Central Asian Gene at 8.2%. It is still above the number mentioned by Professor Şengör and Murat Bardakçı.

“Joking aside, it is impossible to understand why the Turkish state has taught children the Turkish-supremacist and racist myth of ‘mass migration from Central Asia to Anatolia’ in schools for 100 years.

“Why did the Turkish state want to hide that the Anatolian people largely had Greco-Roman roots? What was the reason for this secret? Why were they afraid?


“Why did they carefully conceal the Greek origin of the large Turkish-speaking masses who were Islamized and due to linguistic assimilation?”, the professor pondered.

It is recalled that earlier this month the Turkish DNA Project, a misinformation portal known for posting genetic graphs and charts without references or sources, expressed frustration with Ancestry.com, the largest for-profit genealogy company in the world.

The misinformation project called for “all Turks to boycott this company: Ancestry.”

“AncestryDNA prioritizes to demonize the Turkish people and delegitimaze their presence in Turkey rather than giving information about the genetic structure of the relevant population,” they said in a now deleted Twitter post.
If everyone can claim someone elses culture based on 7% shared genes then the world would be a mess. Cambodians would claim they are Chinese, Portugese would claim they are Russians, Nigerians would claim they are Moroccans lol.
 
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TURKIYE = OTTOMAN EMPIRE



according to DNA tests 28% of People is Turk ( r1a and r1b ) in Turkey
Ottoman SULTANs with DNA haplogroup of R1a too

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also millions of Kurds , Arabs , Bosnians , Albanians , Georgians , Circassians , etc
 
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The turks hate being referred to as rum.. It is a part they will Hide about themselves until the graveyard and they will take that to their graveyard. The turkish grey wolf nationalism is like a drug for them they can never depart that

The Turkish-supremacist will never fade having meet many turks and knowing how deep their nationalism run I can already tell you this.. They are high on Turkish-nationalism
 
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Oghuzes were not like Koreans, even 1500 years ago. If you narrowing the scope over Altai group, even this is divided into 3 branches within itself. (In fact, even this grouping is controversial from an academic point of view)

Ethnic studies within the Altai group are not comprehensive. Because the communities in this language group are spread over very wide geographies and each branch has interacted with other neighboring nations. Moreover, it is layered at certain time intervals. For example, with the great migration of the first tribes, the arrival of Muslim Turks to today's Europe are almost completely different stories. What I'm talking about stretches from Europe to Russia, from Arabia to India, and from there to China. Not just once, but repeatedly...

Although Turks and Mongols have the same grammar, they are different languages and differentiated cultures. In other words, it is not known exactly when these two nations differentiated culturally. Maybe these two ethnic identities were different tribes, fed from a common basin throughout history, but completely different from each other.

Even Turkish dialects are quite complex in themselves. For example, it is really difficult for me to understand Kipchak Turkish. But a Uyghur Turk almost sounds like the talk of rural people in Turkey. I understand Gagauz Turks, Iraq, or Iranian Turkish 95%, but I don't understand Chuvash or Siberian languages at all.

But today I can travel from the Adriatic to China by speaking only Turkish.
 
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Real title should be did the Turks fathered the Europeans and Native Americans ?



American genetic scientists have proved that Europeans ( haplogroup R ) and Native Americans ( haplogroup Q ) have proto Turkic blood ( haplogroup PM-45 )


Haplogroup P-M45 ( proto Turkic Peoples )
Time of origin : 45.000 years ago
Place of origin : Central Asia and Southeast Asia
Descendants : Haplogroup Q and R

Haplogroup P-M45 ( proto Turkic Peoples )
Haplogroup Q : Native Americans
Haplogroup R : Europeans ( Germans , British , French , İtalians , Russians ,etc )


DNA never lies

Genetic Origins of the proto Turkic Peoples and their Relatives
 
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I believe the majority of Turks in Turkey are Turkish and descendants of the Ottomans. However,I do think there must be a few million of Christians whose ancestors converted to Islam for some reason. But the exact number is unknown.
These Christians could be Greeks,Armenians,Arabs,Assyrians,Serbs,Bulgarians,Georgians or other.
Real title should be did the Turks fathered the Europeans and Native Americans ?
Welcome to the Twilight Zone.
 
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