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Did the Turks fathered the greeks? or is that a myth

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Yet no one left a trace here. We were quite good in completly rooting out their DNA. You should read what we did here when we crushed the turks out.


Thats right that Turkish did not mix their genes with Greeks. Its the other way around as well. Greeks did not leave any genetic mark in Anatolia, Iranian plateau either. Autosomally only two colonial conquests are recorded in our region where invader got physical with the subdued population.

1) Iranian empires in the edge of Arabian Peninsula left lots of R1 M198 haplos. Could be due to the trade across Persian Gulf.

2) Iranic Sychthians, Aryans from BMAC entered South Asia and literally changed the entire genes, religion, lifestyle, language of northwestern Indics.

Oghuz Turkics in West Asia left their mark mildly which is why Turkish and Azeris (my own group) only show Turkic inputs of upto15-25 % rest is native. Same way Arab Caliphates failed to even add 3-5 % of the genetic legacy in west Asia, Martial Arabian J-M267 is not even 3% in Iranics or Turkics, not even in the coastal areas. I wonder why ...
 
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The turks hate being referred to as rum.. It is a part they will Hide about themselves until the graveyard and they will take that to their graveyard. The turkish grey wolf nationalism is like a drug for them they can never depart that

So what is Rumeli?

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Or Anatolian Seljuks
 
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Noble warrior nations do not rape and plunder the locals. Some incels on internet think that just because Ottomans were in Greece or Saffavids were in Georgia then they must have been raping locals. It does not work like that in noble warrior nations.

Same goes for Greeks or Caliphates from Arabia.
 
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Noble warrior nations do not rape and plunder the locals. Some incels on internet think that just because Ottomans were in Greece or Saffavids were in Georgia then they must have been raping locals. It does not work like that in noble warrior nations.

Same goes for Greeks or Caliphates from Arabia.

You win this thread and absolute truth..
 
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Thats right that Turkish did not mix their genes with Greeks. Its the other way around as well. Greeks did not leave any genetic mark in Anatolia, Iranian plateau either. Autosomally only two colonial conquests are recorded in our region where invader got physical with the subdued population.

1) Iranian empires in the edge of Arabian Peninsula left lots of R1 M198 haplos. Could be due to the trade across Persian Gulf.

2) Iranic Sychthians, Aryans from BMAC entered South Asia and literally changed the entire genes, religion, lifestyle, language of northwestern Indics.

Oghuz Turkics in West Asia left their mark mildly which is why Turkish and Azeris (my own group) only show Turkic inputs of upto15-25 % rest is native. Same way Arab Caliphates failed to even add 3-5 % of the genetic legacy in west Asia, Martial Arabian J-M267 is not even 3% in Iranics or Turkics, not even in the coastal areas. I wonder why ...

Isn't #2 slightly exaggerated, a trifle out of proportion? I noticed you were careful to specify north-western, and respect that conservative statement, but still*....
Disclaimer: I have personally perhaps (not tested) up to 1/3 Tibeto-Burmese ancestry, as does my race, but perhaps not my endogamic group, so have no dog in this fight. My daughter is half Dravidian speaking, but with a higher proportion of steppe pastoralist ancestry than she could possibly have inherited from me :-)


PS: I am referring to the proposition that ANI ancestry is divided among late Harappan, indigenous Hunter-Gatherer and steppe pastoralist. The steppe pastoralist had an influence, but not, it seems, an overwhelming one.
 
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Professor Celal Şengor: Anatolians only have 7% genes from Central Asia, we are Rûm
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Celal Şengor, a professor from Turkey, made another hit against the mythology of a majority-Turkish admixture in the genetic make up Turkish-citizens, particularly those from Anatolia.

Speaking on television, the professor said that the genes of Anatolian peoples is made up of only 7% from Central Asia, the homeland of Turkic tribes.

However, the bigger surprise is what came next.

“A relevant DNA research was done in Anatolia and it turned out that we are very much Indo-Europeans,” the professor said.

“Do not forget that we are the heirs of Byzantium,” the professor continued, adding: “And because of this there were many marriages during the Ottoman period. That is why we are Muslim Rûm.”


Rûm is a derivative of the term Rhomaioi-East Roman (Ῥωμαῖοι) and is used in many Islamic countries to refer to Greeks.

Rûm is found in the pre-Islamic Namara inscription and later in the Quran (7th century), where it is used to refer to the contemporary Byzantine (Eastern Roman) Empire under its Greek-speaking emperors of the Heraclian dynasty.

Turkey calls its Greek minority Rûm, such as those living in Constantinople, Tenedos and Imvros, and refers to Greeks within Greece as Yunani (Ionian).

In this way, they differentiate the Greeks of Greece and the Greeks of Turkey.

In response to Şengor’s television segment, Turkey-born Professor Mehmet Efe Caman, who describes himself on Twitter as an “Anatolian from Constantinople with roots in Crete and Paphlagonia [on the Black Sea],” said:

“Professor Şengör says that: ‘We are Roman’ because he cannot say that today’s Turkophone Anatolians are Islamized and linguistically assimilated Greeks. Turkish-supremacist racism will collapse.

“I had the Central Asian Gene at 8.2%. It is still above the number mentioned by Professor Şengör and Murat Bardakçı.

“Joking aside, it is impossible to understand why the Turkish state has taught children the Turkish-supremacist and racist myth of ‘mass migration from Central Asia to Anatolia’ in schools for 100 years.

“Why did the Turkish state want to hide that the Anatolian people largely had Greco-Roman roots? What was the reason for this secret? Why were they afraid?


“Why did they carefully conceal the Greek origin of the large Turkish-speaking masses who were Islamized and due to linguistic assimilation?”, the professor pondered.

It is recalled that earlier this month the Turkish DNA Project, a misinformation portal known for posting genetic graphs and charts without references or sources, expressed frustration with Ancestry.com, the largest for-profit genealogy company in the world.

The misinformation project called for “all Turks to boycott this company: Ancestry.”

“AncestryDNA prioritizes to demonize the Turkish people and delegitimaze their presence in Turkey rather than giving information about the genetic structure of the relevant population,” they said in a now deleted Twitter post.

I would like to inform you that Celal Şengör is a person who confessed that he ate his own excrement last, and whose academic branch is geology.

The tweet below belongs to a sjw lgbt. It was a very scientific approach indeed.
 
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Greeks did not leave any genetic mark in Anatolia, Iranian plateau either.
Greeks were the dominant nation in Anatolia until the Ottomans started multiplying.At some point in the history of the Ottoman Empire,the Anatolian Greeks became a minority. That minority became vastly extinct in the early 20th century:


As validated by a report of French military colonel Mougin, on 13 August 1923 in the Turkish Grand National Assembly (Turkiye Buyuk Millet Meclisi) in Ankara, Mustafa Kemal (1881-1938) declared:

"At last we've uprooted the Greeks ..."
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Noble warrior nations do not rape and plunder the locals. Some incels on internet think that just because Ottomans were in Greece or Saffavids were in Georgia then they must have been raping locals. It does not work like that in noble warrior nations.

Same goes for Greeks or Caliphates from Arabia.

This is the doubtedly truth. These ppl were of high moral standard this rules out any mixing aside these who wanted to enter mix to convert both male and female free choice
 
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Even Turkish dialects are quite complex in themselves. For example, it is really difficult for me to understand Kipchak Turkish. But a Uyghur Turk almost sounds like the talk of rural people in Turkey. I understand Gagauz Turks, Iraq, or Iranian Turkish 95%, but I don't understand Chuvash or Siberian languages at all.

But today I can travel from the Adriatic to China by speaking only Turkish.

I lived in Central Asia - Kazakhstan for 5 years


Chuvash or Siberian languages are so far to Oghuz Turkish


TURKIC LANGUAGES

Oghuz languages =
Turkish, Azerbaijani, Turkmen, Qashqai, Gagauz

Kipchak languages = Kazakh , Kyrgyz , Baskir , Kymuk , Siberian Tatar , Crimean Tatar

Karluk languages = Uyghur , Uzbekh , Chagatai

Oghuric languages = Chuvash , Sabir , Khazar
 
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Greeks were the dominant nation in Anatolia until the Ottomans started multiplying.

Definitely a one-sided claim. Moreover, you lacks knowledge of history. The Ottomans first established dominance in the Balkans. Although Almost all of Anatolia consists of Turkish principalities. This struggle between the Turks was so tough that the Ottomans came to the brink of collapse several times in their first period. Perhaps for this reason, Ottoman dynasties developed kinship with the Byzantine dynasty to increase their legitimacy.

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This is the doubtedly truth. These ppl were of high moral standard this rules out any mixing aside these who wanted to enter mix to convert both male and female free choice
There were rapes by Turks of Christian women,but rapes are not high enough in number to replace entire nations. When it comes to Turkish history,I'm sorry to say,there was a lot of pillaging and brutality towards the non-Muslim nations.
 
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Definitely a one-sided claim. Moreover, you lacks knowledge of history. The Ottomans first established dominance in the Balkans. Although Almost all of Anatolia consists of Turkish principalities. This struggle between the Turks was so tough that the Ottomans came to the brink of collapse several times in their first period.
They established dominance in the Balkans,but they did start from Anatolia as Ottomans. They weren't the dominant nation in Anatolia or the Balkans,in numbers. Unless all the Greeks who lived there,just disappeared like that. That's why I said,throughout the centuries,the Ottomans multiplied and became the majority in Anatolia.
 
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There were rapes by Turks of Christian women,but rapes are not high enough in number to replace entire nations. When it comes to Turkish history,I'm sorry to say,there was a lot of pillaging and brutality towards the non-Muslim nations.

This is where I have to stop you brother.. This is falsehood and incorrect slender. There was a strict moral code in place and I assure if a soldier was to commit rape he will get death penalty and there have been incidents where Soldiers have been put to death.. No Amir or sergant wants a rapists in his rank according to Islamic laws.. This is abomination.. Just because someone is non-muslim doesn't mean no human rights to them that is wrong.. There is human rights in Islam to the Non-muslim and Muslim.. There is boundaries and human rights
 
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