Did Tariq Ibn Ziyad burn his ships?

[Indrajith]

i appreciate 474474 , for his clarity in thoughts and logic in explanations

 

[Zarvan]

Sorry but...

[6:114] Shall I seek other than GOD as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed?* Those who received the scripture recognize that it has been revealed from your Lord, truthfully. You shall not harbor any doubt

[6:38] All the creatures on earth, and all the birds that fly with wings, are communities like you. We did not leave anything out of this book.** To their Lord, all these creatures will be summoned

[6:115] The word of your Lord is complete,* in truth and justice. Nothing shall abrogate His words. He is the Hearer, the Omniscient
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Mr the same Quran says follow ALLAH and his PROPHET SAW many times and to follow PROPHET SAW you have to follow Hadees

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Religion is, was and always should be a personal matter - but for the other field you mentioned they aren't a personal matter. Also, if a person can fly a plane he's a pilot, if a person can diagnose and prescribe medicine he is a doctor; but what defines a scholar?
Your so called Scholars are counter productive and a burden on the economy - millions pay fees to go study at their madrassas, millions in govt. subsidies for these wastes of space.
Most scholars are only good at three things: eat, sleep and making babies.
Although a few good ones are there, but we could still go without any scholars nonetheless.

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You can't handle a debate? You know, I think I'll just post it again

Sir Islam is not a personal matter Islam is a complete system it has its own social political and economic system based on Quran and Sunnah

 

[474474]

tell me the method of Salah or Zakat or Hajj or Fasting from Quran you will not find it there Mr

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MR tell me the method of Salah or Zakat or Hajj just looking at Quran you will not find any detail of any order in the Quran

It's all there, look carefully.
If your beloved hadith were true, then why do we have numerous different styles of SalaH?

 

[Zarvan]

It's all there, look carefully.
If your beloved hadith were true, then why do we have numerous different styles of SalaH?

Mr its not there I have read several times don't lie no method is given in the Quran method are in Hadees

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It's all there, look carefully.
If your beloved hadith were true, then why do we have numerous different styles of SalaH?

Mr because Hazrat MUHAMMAD SAW used some different methods but what is ready inside in Salah are the same and are told in Hadees not in The Quran

 

[474474]

tell me the method of Salah or Zakat or Hajj or Fasting from Quran you will not find it there Mr

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MR tell me the method of Salah or Zakat or Hajj just looking at Quran you will not find any detail of any order in the Quran

In the simplest of logic I say: The Quran is protected by God, Dictated to by God SWT, to be preserved in it's perfect and complete form for all eternity.
The hadith on the other hand are based on HUMAN narrators, so we have to trust generation upon generations of random people's words and assume that the Prophet actually said all that?

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Mr its not there I have read several times don't lie no method is given in the Quran method are in Hadees

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Mr because Hazrat MUHAMMAD SAW used some different methods but what is ready inside in Salah are the same and are told in Hadees not in The Quran

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i appreciate 474474 , for his clarity in thoughts and logic in explanations

I truly hope that you mean it and arent being sarcastic

 

[Zarvan]

In the simplest of logic I say: The Quran is protected by God, Dictated to by God SWT, to be preserved in it's perfect and complete form for all eternity.
The hadith on the other hand are based on HUMAN narrators, so we have to trust generation upon generations of random people's words and assume that the Prophet actually said all that?

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I truly hope that you mean it and arent being sarcastic

Sir sunnah is very much protected and details are in Sunnah not in Quran I challenge you on that

 

[474474]

Sir sunnah is very much protected and details are in Sunnah not in Quran I challenge you on that

Happy?
Also before post any further, I want you to clearly say that (nouzubillah) "the quran is not detailed"

 

[kas786]

Sir sunnah is very much protected and details are in Sunnah not in Quran I challenge you on that

You just denied the authenticity of the Qu'ran by making that statement. That's Kufr I believe.
Go read the first verse I posted, again.

[6:114] Shall I seek other than GOD as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed?* Those who received the scripture recognize that it has been revealed from your Lord, truthfully. You shall not harbor any doubt

 

[Mav3rick]

Bang your head some more, you might actually learn something
You know you just insulted the Qur'an?

Perhaps what he meant to say was that Hadeeth are extensions/explanations of Quran and it may not be possible to understand certain verses without consulting the concerned Hadith.

 

[Mav3rick]

You know, millions are doing just that
Ever heard of Shi'a, Agha Khani, Bohri?
The world can go round just fine without some random people claiming to narrate the Prophet

Personally I have no problem with following the ProphetSAW, but then again don't expect me to blindly believe some dude called Bukhari

Your comments about Sahi Bukhari sadden me. Sahi Bukhari, Sahi Muslim and 2 others are accepted to be the most accurate of compilers of Hadith. And many Hadith can be cross referenced in those compilations.

 

[Mav3rick]

You just denied the authenticity of the Qu'ran by making that statement. That's Kufr I believe.
Go read the first verse I posted, again.

[6:114] Shall I seek other than GOD as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed?* Those who received the scripture recognize that it has been revealed from your Lord, truthfully. You shall not harbor any doubt

Let me ask you all, do you believe in black magic? How is black magic countered? Where does it tell you Qur'an how to counter black magic? Please post verses on complete method of countering black magic.

 

[Indrajith]

Dear 474474 - i really ment it ,when i appreciated you, what happens in all relegion is that we are more concerned on the messages of the transilations and others, instead we never try to understand the authentic scriptures-- I never undermine the importance of Hadith's, but they should be treated less important than the Holy Quran

Holy Quran and the Messenger (PBUH) is the most important, all others were peoples built up around it

But if any one dares to say this in public, it is treated as against the religion

Let me make it clear that i am not a muslim , but was always interested and appreciated the deeds and speaches of the holy prophet

And was always saddened by the semi-intellectuals and ignorant mullas who always acted as if the torch bearers of the religion, without giving any scope for other people to understand and intepret the meanings of the Holy Book - dont limit things, growth only happens through understanding

Let the light of the holy book show the way

 

[AHMED85]

Did Tariq Ibn Ziyad burn his ships

It is one of Strategy

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Did Tariq Ibn Ziyad burn his ships

It is one of Strategy

 

[Sugarcane]

hmm...... So post achieved it's goal

 

[pak-marine]

MR tell me the method of Salah or Zakat or Hajj just looking at Quran you will not find any detail of any order in the Quran

thus you proved my point that why Ahadis cant be trusted ? as every sect prays differently ... They have been used by Medevil time arabia to get a grip on power and money thats all. Only trustable form of Ahadees are which is acceptable to all sects to be on the fair side.