Did Pakistani fire caused IAF Jaguar losses

[Delnavaz B]

Also all the 40 HQ-2B of Pakistan were stationed in Punjab and not in Kashmir.

And you served as inventory controller of Pakistan armed forces before getting Indian nationality?

 

[Windjammer]

@Windjammer @Zarvan @Delnavaz B @war&peace

Both bad weather and collision reports are correct
While bad weather was the primary cause the enquiry commission found that the crash occured as all 4 aircraft flying very close to each other their may have also been a mid air collision.

Anyways the crash happened near Gunf ie 30-50km from LoC.

Pakistan did not possess any SAM in 2004 with that kind of a range.

Here are reports from 2004:

The IAF like you have been changing the story from mid-air collision to bad weather.
The AN-32 incident is suffice to prove that when hit, aircraft don't always fall from the sky like a stone.
As for Pakistan's SAM claim....well you once again prove your desperation to salvage something with ridiculous claims.

 

[Asian.Century]

Pakistan shot down these 2 IAF Jaguars violating our airspace and soverignty. It is very rare you loose two aircrafts at the same time with exuses of bad weather & collision to simple accident especially lingering around so close Pak-India Border.

 

[Assault Rifle]

Windjammer must be mad now as he is unable to prove that Pakistan had SAM's with 50km range as the crashes happened 50km from LoC.

Also when did I change my statement The chain of events is: Bad weather....>turbulence....>either collision or loss of control.

BTW in the court of enquiry report it is mentioned that a deformity on the wings of the aircraft suggested that they may have bumped into each other as the pilots were trying to gain control after turbulence.

 

[Windjammer]

Pakistan shot down these 2 IAF Jaguars violating our airspace and soverignty. It is very rare you loose two aircrafts at the same time with exuses of bad weather & collision to simple accident especially lingering around so close Pak-India Border.

And it's not unusual for IAF pilots to lose their navigation and end up on the wrong side, didn't we recently forced down an Indian helicopter.
There have been several other such incidents.

 

[Tipu7]

Apparently there are two places on Globe where such technical issues in adverse weather conditions are common.
One is Bermuda triangle, other is Devil sea of Japan.
Apparently there is third place too, in mountains of valley of Kashmir ..... but it's India specific ......
May be some demonic air force or UFO thing cause disturbance with electronic circuits of Fighter jets? Because as far as I know, IAF pilots are best in World and they have repeatedly proved that they are closest thing to perfection.
So instead of blaming IAF pilots @Windjammer , you should consider the possibility of "Bermuda triangle" type possibility.
Remember those two IAF Mig21 fighters? Whose pilots ejected during the take off?
It was not fault of pilots back then, actually they spotted an Alien UFO which was trying to trap their air crafts in time delation dimension.
So it's better not to taunt super human capabilities of IAF pilots, but blame aliens who out of their curiosity keep on poking IAF time to time.
One more of their air craft is missing from past few days for same reasons......

 

[Windjammer]

Windjammer must be mad now as he is unable to prove that Pakistan had SAM's with 50km range as the crashes happened 50km from LoC.

Also when did I change my statement The chain of events is: Bad weather....>turbulence....>either collision or loss of control.

BTW in the court of enquiry report it is mentioned that a deformity on the wings of the aircraft suggested that they may have bumped into each other as the pilots were trying to gain control after turbulence.

Actually I'm having a good laugh at how you are moving goal posts and putting up lame arguments.
In 1971 war, there were aircraft that were hit over Pakistan but crashed when attempting to land back on their base, similarly had the AN-32 crashed 100 miles inside India, i guess you would have assumed that Pakistan had a SAM with that range.
So after the Jaguars had crashed into a hilly terrain and burned, the investigators were still able to judge on the deformity of the wings.

 

[danger007]

Did Pakistan claim hitting the AN-32 ???? get to know some basic facts first.

Yes pakistan did, in fact you did it in pdf...

 

[Tipu7]

@Windjammer is not official spoke person of PAF or Pakistan .....

Yes pakistan did, in fact you did it in pdf...

 

[4GTejasBVR]

Only one plane crashed INSIDE the LOC on Indian side ; it was an accident
due to turbulence

But NOT due to PAF firing

No paf shot Iaf aircraft. AND Iaf was so scared they just said it was due to bad weather. That's the truth

Actually I'm having a good laugh at how you are moving goal posts and putting up lame arguments.
In 1971 war, there were aircraft that were hit over Pakistan but crashed when attempting to land back on their base, similarly had the AN-32 crashed 100 miles inside India, i guess you would have assumed that Pakistan had a SAM with that range.
So after the Jaguars had crashed into a hilly terrain and burned, the investigators were still able to judge on the deformity of the wings.

Don't lie man we all know Pakistan has capacity to shoot down our jets

Pakistan shot down these 2 IAF Jaguars violating our airspace and soverignty. It is very rare you loose two aircrafts at the same time with exuses of bad weather & collision to simple accident especially lingering around so close Pak-India Border.

Yes true PAF shot down Iaf jets and IAF was so afraid

 

[Mugwop]

Bad weather again?

 

[SQ8]

Formation + bad weather + low level = collision and death.

 

[Assault Rifle]

Lol.Windy and Co just got their wet dreams busted as it is now proved that the aircraft crashed due to bad weather which may have led to a collision.

Both the bodies were apparently found in the cockpits of the ill-fated jets, indicating that they did not get time to eject. The two flight data recorders have been sent to Ambala for further investigations.
Preliminary reports indicate that "sudden deterioration in weather" could have led to the mid-air collision between the two jets.
Indian Air Force officers claimed that the accident had nothing to do with any so-called use of sub-standard spares.

http://m.timesofindia.com/india/Second-Jaguar-pilots-body-found/articleshow/600265.cms

Meanwhile, the Indian Air Force today rejected reports that the crash of the two Jaguar fighter planes near Sonamarg in Jammu and Kashmir on Friday was due to faulty spares.
An IAF spokesman here said prima facie the crash had nothing to do with spares and it was due to bad weather.
He said the accident will be fully examined by a court of inquiry which has already been instituted.
The Bangalore-based HAL was manufacturing the aircraft and the engine parts were bought from Rolls Royce and Avionics which followed the Federal Aviation Standards and British Aviation Standards, he added.
The spokesman said the parts imported to the country are checked by officials of the Directorate General of Aviation Quality Assurance. The parts which are of HAL are inspected by the Chief Resident Inspector, he said. — PTI

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2004/20040405/main4.htm

 

[Hamza913]

Well, it would be less embarrassing if they got shot down.

 

[Windjammer]

Bad weather again?

Yea, it always seems to be on the Indian side .

Formation + bad weather + low level = collision and death.

Ironically the other two in formation didn't pick up or see anything.....but i guess it's one way of avoiding Rona Dhona.

Lol.Windy and Co just got their wet dreams busted as it is now proved that the aircraft crashed due to bad weather which may have led to a collision.

Actually it's you having wet dreams from making various assumptions. If you bothered to read, initially the OP was of inquisitive purpose but now after reading various versions put up by Indian MOD or media, it's obvious they are desperate to cover up something, here's something from the link you posted.

''
Flight Lieutenant Mayank Mayur's body was found near the wreckage of the second Jaguar 4 km north of Sonamarg, around 60 km from Srinagar, on Sunday afternoon.

Incidentally, his wife, Flight Lieutenant M Agarwal, is also an IAF officer handling ground duties at Ambala airbase.


Army rescuers had retrieved the body of the other pilot, Flight Lieutenant Gagan Oberoi, on Saturday. His parents have already reached the Jaguar homebase at Ambala for the last rites ceremony.

Both the bodies were apparently found in the cockpits of the ill-fated jets, indicating that they did not get time to eject. The two flight data recorders have been sent to Ambala for further investigations. ''