Did PAF Cross The LOC !

[loanranger]

Ironically, no Indian media or person has the sanity to ask their authorities on the version of events from Abhinandan's mouth who after all they claim was the shooter. While PAF presented all the pilots involved in the operation and let them tell the world what they did, the Indians OTOH, left it to their Air chief to dish out different stories on daily basis.
Maybe Abhinandan is too much of a gentleman to peddle Indian lies.....or maybe he is waiting to become a box office star before switching sides.

One day a long time from now Abhinandan on a forum or in a book will tell that he did nothing and it was just done to get any easy deescalation.a

 

[GriffinsRule]

Indian jets violated Pakistani airspace and dropped bombs into Pakistani territory. And since Pakistan reciprocated and matched Indian actions to attain parity, it had to cross Indian airspace.

On the shooting of their helicopter, there is a popular notion that it was shot by their A2A missile instead of SAM.

Actually we dont know if they crossed the IB, but they did bomb Pakistan proper. We only retaliated in IOC, not across the IB or in India proper.

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

2: She settled the argument on the IAF claims of shooting down an F-16 as nothing more than a ploy to de-escalate the situation. Basically the Indians were lying and fooling their public that what if PAF shot down an IAF MiG-21, the IAF has done better by shooting down an F-16.

The count report is enough to settler everything for Indians. She doesnt need to settle anything for us. Frankly we shouldnt even care what Indians believe or what she thinks..What matters for us is how the morale of their Army is and what their chiefs are going to do next. Indians should believe they shot down our F-16 or stay confused, thats how Modi will get re-elected again in 2023 and pressures are on their Chief to defend it not us.


Christine is not doing this because she is bipartisan.She is doing this because she hates Modi govt. on different verticals. She is reflecting the DoD thoughts that India is failing its objectives in curtailing Pakistan , how can they match China when time comes. In her way she is egging India by downgrading them by a stream of facts so that they learn from this beating and stand-up strongly next time..

 

[Talon]

That’s called a classic stupid logic.... but good luck with what your cooks in your pot...

Yeah that's what people like you do when they got no answer,get personal and start abusing.

 

[sneakerspark]

You will also find the real version in due course.

Why did the Indian ground defenses fired a Spyder SAM at a target flying within the Indian side of LOC ?. This is the point that has never been raised by Indian MOD or otherwise, at least not openly. Keep in mind that the Spyder SAMs, supplied by Israel to India has a maximum range of 20km.
As the details of operation Swift Retort gradually get leaked, the cause of Indian panic and desperation becomes obvious. Once again why fire a SAM over own airspace when you allegedly have own fighter jets in the area.
The whole scenario now confirms that the PAF actually crossed the LOC, not only to strike at Indian targets but also as a follow up.
It's now said that after IAF Pilot Wing Commander Abhinandan crossed the LOC and ended up getting shot down, PAF pilot Squadron Leader Hassan and party went over to challenge the IAF, thus during this process S/L Hassan fired his AMRAAM at the IAF formation scoring a hit on the SU-30 thus forcing the rest of the IAF fighters to flee from the scene. Since no IAF aircraft was in a position to challenge the intruding PAF fighters, thus in desperation the Indian ground defenses fired at what they assumed to be a PAF aircraft but shot down their own helicopter in process. So yes, throwing the challenge in broad daylight, the PAF did cross the LOC on that fateful day.

Your Account is based on lot of wrong assumptions. Kindly refer to Kaiser Tufail Version and The SU-30 shotdown details plaque put up by PAF. Pakistani F-16 never crossed the LoC. SU-30 was vectored towards the strike package, hence Hassan Siddique fired at it to disperse it and it was the first volley of airbattle. Mig-21 shoot down came at the last when Su-30 and Mirages left the airspace.

SU-30 hit is still unverified. Until PAF releases the proof, The claim will just remain a claim.

No one crossed the line deliberately and certainly no F-16s went in IOK.

Though they stayed in own side for sometime and challenged the IAF to come Head-On.

The real mission started after the operation i.e movement of airforce meanwhile keeping on guard to reply any misadventures.

Vipers in the North, vipers in the South...Vipers in the East and guess what,Vipers in the West.

What I can tell you guys is that, one of the fighter did sweep into enemy territory in order to maintain the lock until the Missile went pitbull.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

Are we paying 125 million USD for 60 US contractors over the next few years who will monitor F-16 on behalf of american goverment?

it says:
"The State Department has made a determination approving a possible Foreign Military Sale to Pakistan for Technical Security Team (TST) in continued support of the F-16 program for an estimated cost of $125 million.The military sales are intended to help in the oversight of operations in support of the Pakistan Peace Drive advanced F-16 program"

are we paying to be monitored?

So we must never deploy them in forward bases, must never intrude indian airspace etc?

India can't copy an intact F-16 and an downed aircraft is useless anyway plus US has offered far more advanced versions of F-16 to india.

what they trying to protect?

This is unbelievably strange.

I think it also includes training PAF ground crews and ensure F-16s are mission ready at any given time!

 

[Windjammer]

So now the smart Indian radar also detected a Pakistani helicopter and they were able to determine it was launched for SAR mission....in other words, they are desperately claiming that while missiles are flying overhead and fighter jets are engaging in dogfights, why would under these circumstances Pakistan launch a SAR mission....''unless Pakistanis are keen to rescue their downed pilot.''
While the notion of any PAF fighter jet being shot down has been truly busted and there's no proof that any Pakistani helicopters were in the air, however, we all know that Indians lost a helicopter, through fratricide or otherwise during heat of the battle. Would the Indians like to explain, what was the purpose of launching their helicopter under such critical conditions? Perhaps it was a SAR mission for the downed SU-30 Pilots. !!!

 

[alikazmi007]

It's like 27th Feb was a movie and every now and then a deleted scene is revealed. xD

And I'm still waiting for the Director's Cut .....!

 

[MM_Haider]

I suggest you listen to this staunch anti- Pakistani lady Christine Fair from 1.23.00.

Gosh ... this freakin lady was in Pakistan for like 22 years ... she has such a bias and calls herself a scholar... I hope she is blacklisted now..

 

[Trailer23]

I hope she is blacklisted now..

She has been blacklisted for a long time now.

 

[Falcon26]

So now the smart Indian radar also detected a Pakistani helicopter and they were able to determine it was launched for SAR mission....in other words, they are desperately claiming that while missiles are flying overhead and fighter jets are engaging in dogfights, why would under these circumstances Pakistan launch a SAR mission....''unless Pakistanis are keen to rescue their downed pilot.''
While the notion of any PAF fighter jet being shot down has been truly busted and there's no proof that any Pakistani helicopters were in the air, however, we all know that Indians lost a helicopter, through fratricide or otherwise during heat of the battle. Would the Indians like to explain, what was the purpose of launching their helicopter under such critical conditions? Perhaps it was a SAR mission for the downed SU-30 Pilots. !!!

the talk about PAF helicopter is a silly attempt to justify the fratricide they committed against their own helicopter. It’s an attempt to excuse their incompetence by saying that there was a legitimate fear of enemy helicopter in the area. They have shown to have no regard for their own fallen troops.

 

[CT-9914 "Snoop"]

Its a big risk to venture into enemy air space just to make a point. Now that you have SOWs next it will be SOWs lobbed at each other.

H-2/H-4 SOW's in this case were launched by Mirage 5's and guided onto target by 2-seater Mirages via datalink which means at least 1 aircraft each from the Mirage strike package had to have crossed the LoC in order for a successful strike.

 

[Cash GK]

Wish we could get F 35s in future.

I wish if we built our own spacial

 

[Cash GK]

And I'm still waiting for the Director's Cut .....!

You mean General Asif or sir paracha

 

[Windjammer]

What I can tell you guys is that, one of the fighter did sweep into enemy territory in order to maintain the lock until the Missile went pitbull.

In case some of you are not familiar with the term, it means when a BVR or Radar launched missiles own seeker activates and locks on to it's designated target. Dead Eye.