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Dholavira- The zenith of Harappan town planning!

I like your ostrich like behavior ... use of third person indicates you are not comfortable with holding a one to one discussion while I think this is a knowledge sharing activity and no one should be afraid in putting forward his opinion and knowledge in direct and straight forward manner. It is good to know that you know but my emphasis is on why this is located in the region called indus valley or current Pakistan regardless of the driving force...can you throw some light on it?

It was in fact not originated in this area but elsewhere. The culture spread here, in a manner of speaking.

Those interested might like to read either A. K. Narain, who wrote an excellent book called The Indo-Greeks sometime in the 50s, or, since some of us don't like Indian authors, W. W. Tarn's The Greeks in Bactria and India, written before the war, but subsequently revised and updated, again in the 50s, on the subject.

Very briefly, in the aftermath of the sudden and untimely death of Alexander III in Babylon, his successors, the Diadochoi, divided his kingdom into four parts, with Seleucus getting the massive part in the east (the others got Egypt, Syria and Macedon respectively). The territory was so vast that the fringes of it broke away into an independent Greek settlement at Balkh. These kings, under several dynasties, ruled as far east as Kanauj, but distance weakened them as much as it had weakened Seleucus earlier. Their kingdom divided, in its own turn, and the Graeco-Bactrian kingdom became the Graeco-Bactrian and the Indo-Greek (correctly, the Graeco-Indians) kingdoms.

The Indo-Greeks ruled from Kabul, from Peshawar, from Taxila, and from Charsadda. The term Gandhara comes from Vedic references, but it became prominent only under the Indo-Greek breakaways from the Graeco-Bactrian kingdom. It is interesting that the Mahabharata was being expanded and added to just about around this time, and the character of Gandhari, the princess from Gandhar, who married the blind king Dhritarashtra and bore Duryodhana and his ninetynine brothers and a sister, has a prominent part to play. As also her brother, now a byword for unscrupulous cunning and courtier politics, Shakuni, the master of gambling.

The fusion of Indian and Greek culture continued; the region was known for its religious philosophy, as Buddhism spread there, and several of the kings may actually have been Buddhist themselves (there are references to the Sramanas among the Bactrians in Greek writing, at a time when 'Bactrian' meant oriental Greek).

The Indo-Greek part was much weaker than its parent kingdom, but extended from Jalalabad to Mathura. It was overthrown, or succeeded, by one of its Scythian generals. Gandhar the region, as distinct from Gandhar the culture, continued to exist through Indo-Scythian, Indo-Parthian and finally Kushanas, with the Ephthalites providing an unpleasant coda, until the Shahi kings took over, lasting until Mahmud of Ghazni's massive raids. This border kingdom was one of the first to fall, and it was ever afterwards ruled from Kabul or Lahore. Internally, the power of the Ephthalites was broken by the later Guptas, and they ruled the interior, and gave the sub-continent administrative systems and conventions that lasted well into the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries. However, the borderland was traditionally the stronghold of the Shahi kings well into the period when the Rajputs ruled north India.

I realise the temptation for such-minded commentators to slip in the allusion that in the separation between the Shahi kings on the borders and the Guptas, and their successors, culminating in the Rajputs finally in the interiors, there is already the beginning of a segregation between the land of the Indus and the land of the Ganges. The absurdity of this kind of dualism which appears as a fixed fact in the historical imagination of some of us is worth a separate essay.
 
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For Indian's to live with the galling fact that IVC is centred in their nemesis - Pakistan. So the solution? Fabricate. Cheat. lie. Change geography
What are you on about ET?
I know that you and me hold divergent opinion on IVC/SSC.
I had tagged you in a post which was about Kiloyear event and how it must have effected IVC/SSC.
But you came here with some preconceived notions and ergo missed what I had stated in that post.
Never mind! I was expecting too much I guess.

DDOS and Data Loss ? NOT Possible.
Ur Info is Oustanding.
was that a compliment for my article or was that sarcasm for not having a clue about DDOS attack?
 
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Harappans ate beef and buried their dead
 
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Harappans practiced animism! They were not Muslims,hindus or vedic.
Harappans were Black not Pakistanis or indians!

The point was the identity of practice.

Hindus bury their dead??

Regarding the beef figure, was it the same before the arrival of Islam or the British??

Yes, they do. Both some Dalits and Veerashaiva.

As far as I know, there is no methodical study of the subject, but considering present habits to be an index, it was widespread.
 
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Harappans practiced animism! They were not Muslims,hindus or vedic.
Harappans were Black not Pakistanis or indians!

Harappans were of the identical ethnic stock as Pakistanis and Indians (other than the Pashtun). No new genetic stock has come into the sub-continent from out of it (not in significant numbers, that is) from about 10,000 BC.
 
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What are you on about ET?
I know that you and me hold divergent opinion on IVC/SSC.
I had tagged you in a post which was about Kiloyear event and how it must have effected IVC/SSC.
But you came here with some preconceived notions and ergo missed what I had stated in that post.
Never mind! I was expecting too much I guess.


was that a compliment for my article or was that sarcasm for not having a clue about DDOS attack?
Ye SSC kiya hay in Pakistan SSC stands for secondary school certificate
 
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Ye SSC kiya hay in Pakistan SSC stands for secondary school certificate
SSC means Sindhu Saraswati civilisation.
Since the earlier sites of IVC were found on the banks of Indus/Sindhu river, the civilisation was named after the river. It was only later that archeologists found out that Saraswati river was equally (if not more) important to the people who lived in the region. Ergo SSC!
 
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SSC means Sindhu Saraswati civilisation.
Since the earlier sites of IVC were found on the banks of Indus/Sindhu river, the civilisation was named after the river. It was only later that archeologists found out that Saraswati river was equally (if not more) important to the people who lived in the region. Ergo SSC!
Matpab awein name changing :D
 
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We cant name it after a river that never existed :whistle:
Lolzzz
Your own archeologists have proved its presence.
I have posted the proof a hundred times on this forum. I dont have the patience to explain it again. Google can help you though.
 
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Lolzzz
Your own archeologists have proved its presence.
I have posted the proof a hundred times on this forum. I dont have the patience to explain it again. Google can help you though.
Wait all i got is billions spent by a certain country to prove it existed or am i using the wrong search engine :D
 
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