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Despite obstacles, chances grow for final Iran nuclear deal| Reuters

Iran is trying to avoid detailed commitments. The French are sticking to their tough line. And U.S. President Barack Obama faces a battle to sell any deal to a skeptical Congress.

Despite those and other obstacles, negotiators appear increasingly likely to clinch an historic deal to restrict Iran's nuclear program for at least a decade in exchange for relief from sanctions, Western and Iranian officials said.

U.S. officials, including Obama, have long said they see at best a 50-50 chance of getting a deal with Iran.

That remains the official line, but diplomats close to the talks tell Reuters the chances are higher than that as foreign ministers and other negotiators head to Vienna next week for the final stage of a nearly two-year process.

Driving the cautious optimism, they say, is not so much progress made in overcoming sticking points as the intense political pressure on the U.S. and Iranian delegations to reach a deal that would end the 12-year nuclear stand-off between Iran and the West.

"We can't rule out failure, but ... it seems more likely that we will get something. Not by June 30, but perhaps in the days that follow," a senior Western official told Reuters, referring to the planned deadline for a deal.

Another Western official said: "I think there will be an agreement because the two most important players need it."

Six world powers - the United States, Britain, France, Germany, Russia and China - aim to stop Iran from gaining the capacity to develop a nuclear bomb. In return, they would lift international sanctions that have crippled Iran's economy.

A preliminary agreement reached in early April left major differences for negotiators to bridge, including the verification regime to ensure Iranian compliance with a deal and the timetable for lifting sanctions.

While acknowledging such issues were far from being resolved and could lead to problems and delays, diplomats said there was a willingness to compromise.

Securing a nuclear deal is politically vital for Obama and his Iranian counterpart Hassan Rouhani.

For Obama, detente with Iran and another long-term U.S. foe, Cuba, may be the only major foreign policy achievements within reach, with the Israel-Palestinian peace process frozen and wars raging in Syria and Iraq.

"There will be a deal, Americans need it more than we do. This deal will help both countries," said an Iranian official, who put the chances of a final deal at 70 percent.

One former senior negotiator for one of the six powers told Reuters the chances were as high as 60-40.

For Rouhani, failure to secure an agreement could lead to his political demise. Iran's foreign minister warned U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry about that earlier this year, saying it would give hardline conservatives who oppose the deal a chance to reassert their authority, Iranian officials said.

"It is very crucial for Rouhani and his camp to clinch this deal," a senior Iranian diplomat told Reuters. "Failure means failure of Rouhani and reforms. It will strengthen the position of his hardline rivals."

Neither Obama nor Rouhani can afford to give too much ground, and yet they must compromise to secure a deal.

Obama must win approval for the deal from the Republican-controlled Congress, where many fear the deal will boost Iran's as a regional power and increase its threat to U.S. allies such as Israel and Saudi Arabia. Officials close to the talks say Obama expects Congress to oppose the deal and is prepared to use his veto to ensure it is not derailed.

On Iran's side, the hard-line supreme ruler, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, has the final word on a deal. Iranian officials say he supports an agreement.



SIGNS OF COMPROMISE

Signs of compromise are emerging.

Western officials say the Iranian negotiators have indicated that the U.N. International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) will be granted access to military sites and Iranian nuclear scientists as part of the verification regime, even though Tehran has publicly rejected that idea.

Kerry appeared this week to soften Washington's insistence that Iran submit fully to a stalled U.N. investigation into past research suspected to have been related to nuclear weapons.

"We're not fixated on Iran specifically accounting for what they did at one point in time or another," Kerry said on Tuesday.

U.S. officials had previously said Iran must answer the IAEA's queries and some sanctions relief would depend on it. Tehran says the agency's evidence about past arms-related activities is fabricated and insists its nuclear program is peaceful.

A State Department spokesman said on Wednesday that Kerry's remarks had been misinterpreted and U.S. policy was unchanged.

Reuters reported in November that the six would likely stop short of demanding full disclosure of any secret weapon work by Tehran to avoid killing an historic deal.

The major powers recently settled another major sticking point - the so-called "snapback" of U.N. sanctions in the event of Iranian non-compliance with the deal. Diplomats have declined to discuss details, and Iran has yet to agree.

One wild card in the negotiations, diplomats say, remains France.

It is the most skeptical of the six powers, and the closest to Israel and Saudi Arabia. They blocked agreement on an interim nuclear accord with Tehran in November 2013 before consenting to it weeks later.

French diplomats say they are determined to keep the pressure on for a good deal.

"Our differences with the Americans aren't just semantic. We're insistent on verification and the follow-up to verification," a senior French official said. "We're not there to make Obama's job more difficult."

Another major difficulty in the talks is likely to be Iran's resistance to specifying details on the technical limits on its future nuclear work, Western diplomats said.

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@Saif al-Arab

If a deal happens, when Iranians/Co. still be rambling about Arab 'dogs of America' as a ploy to assert control over Arab nations?
 
@Saif al-Arab

If a deal happens, when Iranians/Co. still be rambling about Arab 'dogs of America' as a ploy to assert control over Arab nations?[/QUOTE]
Iran, the Gulf states, Israel, Egypt, Turkey and the Muslim Brotherhood all think that the US opposes them and supports their enemies. They can't all be right.
 
@Saif al-Arab

If a deal happens, when Iranians/Co. still be rambling about Arab 'dogs of America' as a ploy to assert control over Arab nations?
Iran, the Gulf states, Israel, Egypt, Turkey and the Muslim Brotherhood all think that the US opposes them and supports their enemies. They can't all be right.[/QUOTE]

Sort of true. :D
 
@Saif al-Arab

If a deal happens, when Iranians/Co. still be rambling about Arab 'dogs of America' as a ploy to assert control over Arab nations?

One can only laugh at such an accusation considering the fact that numerous Arab countries are not even pro-Western or ruled by pro-Western regimes. Or that a few Arab states (in particular Iraq and Libya) have even been attacked by the West.

It even becomes funnier when we remember that Iran was ruled by a Kurdish peasant dynasty between 1925-1979 (Pahlavi) who desperately tried to act more Western than the Westerners themselves despite living in a third world country with literacy levels below 50% and rampant poverty even despite the oil and gas wealth.

Let alone when we remember how their fake wannabe Arab Mullah's came to power after being in exile in Europe (France). Or when they were begging for Israeli and Western economic and military support during their hardest times (Iraq-Iran war).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Iran_during_the_Iran–Iraq_war

Or now when a few 1000's sheep are shouting "death to America" while their Mullah's have been working with the West closely since the early 2000's in the region.

If they accuse Arab countries that are ruled by regimes that cooperate with the US on a few fronts as "Western puppets" we can call them Russian and Chinese puppets. Same logic applied.

Anyway today they are begging the West and world to lift the sanctions. They are down on their knees in other words. So much for being the "grand power" that they perceive themselves. A power with a smaller economy than 10 million big UAE across the Gulf.:lol:

Also regarding "their control" then it's a fantasy more than anything. Hezbollah for instance (their only real puppet alongside with the few rag-tag Iraqi Shia Arab militias from the poor South) would survive without the Mullah's if they were to be removed tomorrow. Now today whether we like it or not it's a local Shia Arab Lebanese movement. The Mullah's helped plant the seeds and sort of gave birth to them but now they have grown up, lol.

Whatever happens their plots will not work and they will always be the dwarf in regards to the Arab world. Be it in terms of economy, religious influence, cultural influence, military, population, resources, potential etc.

If they somehow manage to develop nuclear weapons (I highly doubt this) then this will just give an excuse for countries like KSA, Egypt, Turkey etc. to pursue the same right.

Regarding the sanctions being lifted then I don't care either as their economy will never be as big as the GCC (2 trillion dollar GDP (nominal) in the foreseeable future despite a significantly bigger population. Let alone the economy of the Arab world as a whole which they will never reach.

Iran, the Gulf states, Israel, Egypt, Turkey and the Muslim Brotherhood all think that the US opposes them and supports their enemies. They can't all be right.

When has the GCC ever said anything about the US opposing them? The GCC and the US are partners mostly in terms of economic cooperation, educational and geopolitical. That's about it because otherwise there are few common interests. Besides interests are always changing depending on the geopolitics and the people in power and their policies.

Also one thing is what the actual power makers are saying (regimes) and another thing altogether is the population or other rivaling groups. Opposition groups for instance who tend to go against the regimes regardless of topic.

Muhammad bin Salman (Crown Prince of KSA and the son of King Salman) recently went to Russia with a quite big delegation to met Putin. Something that would be unthinkable just 6 months ago. Politics change.



http://english.alarabiya.net/en/New...-crown-prince-leaves-for-visit-to-Russia.html

KSA aside from being a pivotal country in the Arab and Islamic world has cordial and close ties with numerous powerful players be it the US, China (biggest trading partner), an emerging but struggling India, Japan, Western European countries, increasing ties with the Latin American countries etc.
 
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If a deal happens, when Iranians/Co. still be rambling about Arab 'dogs of America' as a ploy to assert control over Arab nations?


It's kinda funny and also hypocritical as always. This is not a friendship deal between Iran and US, we are negotiating for our rights (which they are trying so hard to get it from us), and that's it, while most Arab countries have excellent relations with US and some are even permanent home for U.S military, don't even try to compare Iran-US relations with Arab-US relations. No matter how hard you try, it's like comparing day and night. Let me remind who about who is buying tens of billions of dollars in arms from US, who is having secret relations with Israel to confront Iran and who is having US soldiers stationed on their soil.

Even though I support normalization of Iran-US relations, but even if that happens, we won't ever become satellite states of US in ME like some Arab monarchies.
 
It's kinda funny and also hypocritical as always. This is not a friendship deal between Iran and US, we are negotiating for our rights (which they are trying so hard to get it from us), and that's it, while most Arab countries have excellent relations with US and some are even permanent home for U.S military, don't even try to compare Iran-US relations with Arab-US relations. No matter how hard you try, it's like comparing day and night. Let me remind who about who is buying tens of billions of dollars in arms from US, who is having secret relations with Israel to confront Iran and who is having US soldiers stationed on their soil.

Even though I support normalization of Iran-US relations, but even if that happens, we won't ever become satellite states of US in ME like some Arab monarchies.

That's only because you are sanctioned by the same West that you have been begging so they can lift the sanctions that they have imposed on you. Funny, pro-fake wannabe Arab Mullah supporters always rant about what a puppet the Kurdish Shah was.:lol:

Your Shah had even closer ties to the West.

Same with the weapon purchases. If you had the opportunity you would buy from them too instead of engaging in poor photoshopping or doing reserve engineering on ancient military relics from the 1950's and 60's. Don't make me laugh.

Also it makes PERFECT sense to compare tiny states like Qatar, Kuwait and Bahrain (those that have US bases) with Iran. Next time I expect you to make comparisons between China and Monaco. Makes as much sense.
 
That's only because you are sanctioned by the same West that you have been begging so they can lift the sanctions that they have imposed on you. Funny, pro-fake wannabe Arab Mullah supporters always rant about what a puppet the Kurdish Shah was.:lol:
Shah is gone, talk about now.
Your Shah had even closer ties to the West.
Yes he had, but he is gone now, for 36 years.
Same with the weapon purchases. If you had the opportunity you would buy them too instead of engaging in poor photoshopping or doing reserve engineering on ancient military relics from the 1950's and 60's. Don't make me laugh.
That photoshop army can get Saudis back to their original roots: Wandering in deserts. :)
Also it makes PERFECT sense to compare tiny states like Qatar, Kuwait and Bahrain (those that have US bases) with Iran. Next time I expect you to make comparisons between China and Monaco. Makes as much sense.
Size doesn't matter, they are satellite states, and their bigger brother is only a bit better. My whole point is, Arab countries are the last ones who should blabber about Iran-US relations since they have their own hands full.
 
Shah is gone, talk about now.

Yes he had, but he is gone now, for 36 years.

That photoshop army can get Saudis back to their original roots: Wandering in deserts. :)

Size doesn't matter, they are satellite states, and their bigger brother is only a bit better. My whole point is, Arab countries are the last ones who should blabber about Iran-US relations since they have their own hands full.

Yes, right now you are begging the "evil West" to relief their sanctions.

Then you have no right to "point fingers". Aside from that your Mullah's were begging ISRAEL of all states and the West for economic and military support during the Iraq-Iran war. I guess that was "halal". Just like you cooperate with the same West when it suits you both while shouting "death to America" in mosques all across Iran like baboons.

KSA's original roots is being home to some of the most ancient civilizations on the planet (older than anything in Iran) and being inhabited longer by people than any other place on the planet outside of Eastern African and South Africa.

Yes, your ancestors were wondering the deserts and steppes of barren Central Asia before you settled down in the ME which is the ancestral homeland of all Arabs and Semites and the cradle of civilization.

Anyway sure. Just like when KSA shot down 2 of your planes and all you could do was bark. Or when 500 Iranian terrorists in Makkah were dealt with.:)

Nonsense. If so you are a Russian and Chinese satellite state now on its knees begging the West to relief the sanctions. Iraq alone (1 Arab state) has opposed the West more vehemently and paid for it much harder than Iran will ever do. Besides you apparently can't grasp the fact that we have no problems with having ties to the US/West as long as it suits the interests of Arabs or the fact that many Arab states are not pro-West to begin with.

@Falcon29

All Arabs nowadays know what their fake wannabe Arab Mullah's are all about. But as I told you they won't succeed.
 
That's only because you are sanctioned by the same West that you have been begging so they can lift the sanctions that they have imposed on you. Funny, pro-fake wannabe Arab Mullah supporters always rant about what a puppet the Kurdish Shah was.:lol:

Your Shah had even closer ties to the West.

Same with the weapon purchases. If you had the opportunity you would buy them too instead of engaging in poor photoshopping or doing reserve engineering on ancient military relics from the 1950's and 60's. Don't make me laugh.

Also it makes PERFECT sense to compare tiny states like Qatar, Kuwait and Bahrain (those that have US bases) with Iran. Next time I expect you to make comparisons between China and Monaco. Makes as much sense.







If Iran was "begging" for a deal then the west a deal would not taken so long and your American and Isrealis masters would not be crying over the deal. The Irony here is that afro arabs, whose countries were created by the British are claiming Iran is begging the west...:lol: You are western creations. Your countries were drawn by the British :lol:

By the way, let me know when you afro arabs can make these "ancient" relics:
2000km solid fuelled ballistic missile:

Sejil-2-missile.jpg


Anti ships ballistic missile:



AESA radar with 200km+ range surface to air missile:

image.png


Just a very small taste of Iranian capability, .



Where is your kind in science and technoloy?
is this your science?

Saudi Researchers Want Clinical Trials for Camel Urine Cancer Cure | The Mary Sue

:lol:

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If Iran was "begging" for a deal then the west a deal would not taken so long and your American and Isrealis masters would not be crying over the deal. The Irony here is that afro arabs, whose countries were created by the British are claiming Iran is begging the west...:lol: You are western creations. Your countries were drawn by the British :lol:

By the way, let me know when you afro arabs can make these "ancient" relics:
2000km solid fuelled ballistic missile:

Sejil-2-missile.jpg


Anti ships ballistic missile:



AESA radar with 200km+ range surface to air missile:

image.png


Just a very small taste of Iranian capability, afro arab.


Comparing Iran to your desert brings incredible pain and shame to me. You people should compare yourselves to the likes Somalia.
Where is your kind in science and technoloy?
is this your science?

Saudi Researchers Want Clinical Trials for Camel Urine Cancer Cure | The Mary Sue

:lol:

Nobody is interested in your obsession with Afro-Arabs Kawli. Nor is anyone interested in your failed, sanctioned and poverty stricken Mullahstan and its photoshop army that is ridiculed all over the world and which would not even defeat 1 single Arab country (Iraq) despite being 3 times bigger and having a 2.5 times bigger population.

Yes, Arabia a region that has an much older history than Iran and whose name is older than Iran were "drawn" by the West.

You forgot who conquered you militarily, religiously, linguistically and culturally 1300 years before the West even set foot in the ME.:lol:


KSA's universities are ranked much higher than the Iranian ones and KSA has many more students at leading universities in the West.

Now go beg the West to lift the sanctions so you might reach the GDP per capita of Angola.:lol:

List of countries by GDP (nominal) per capita - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You Farsis and your Mullahstan will always be a dwarf compared to the Arab world be it in terms of history, economy, population, cultural and religious influence or military. Egypt alone could deal with you. So don't make me laugh. 10 million big UAE has a bigger economy than your 80 million big country.

Anyway keep barking, you are on my ignore list from now on.
 
Nobody is interested in your obsession with Afro-Arabs Kawli. Nor is anyone interested in your failed, sanctioned and poverty stricken Mullahstan and its photoshop army that is ridiculed all over the world and which would not even defeat 1 single Arab country (Iraq) despite being 3 times bigger and having a 2.5 times bigger population.

Yes, Arabia a region that has an older history than Iran and whose name is older than Iran were "drawn" by the West.:lol:

KSA's universities are ranked much higher than the Iranian ones and KSA has many more students at leading universities in the West.

Now go beg the West to lift the sanctions so you might reach the GDP per capita of Angola.:lol:

List of countries by GDP (nominal) per capita - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Your GDP is from selling oil, afro arab. This does not mean your industry is anything greater than Somalia. And your oil industries were built by the west.
Go ahead, and compare your industry to Iran's and we'll how far you get :lol: Iran produces more cars annually than the entire "arab" world combined.

Your country, and your oil industry is created by the west, the same region whom also created your fake, artificial states.

Go ahead dude, show me what industries your desert has, this should be amusing. :lol: Can you even manufacture spoons and forks? Only thing your people are known for is, oil, lizard, camel and terrorism.

When it comes to science, technology, you're on par with your brethrens in africa.

Anyway keep barking, you are on my ignore list from now on.

What a little woos, like most afro arab. Once you're presented with a proper debate, you run away like cowards.
Instead of posting your usual inferiority complex riddled nonsense about "ancient" :lol: arabs world etc, have a proper debate. Show this mighty arab world. Where is your industry?
 
:lol:

Shall I show you the genetic tests that show that Arabians outside of Yemenis have less Sub-Saharan admixture than Farsis? Quit the barking Gypsy and return back to the reality.

The GCC has a 2 trillion dollar economy (5 times that of your poverty stricken Mullahstan) and almost 50% of it has no relation to the oil and gas industry. Look at UAE for instance. A country which is not reliant on oil or gas but still has a bigger economy than your 80 million big sewer.:lol:

Yes, the same West discovered your oil and gas dumbo.:lol:

LOL. Numerous failed states and third world countries are producing cars. Iranian cars are known as suicide traps and are known for their pathetic abilities. They are only driven by poor Iraqis and Afghans aside from Iranians.:lol:

Now go back to your "jungle" ( :lol: ) which is Iran or as I like to call it the North Korea of the ME.

You're running away from the point and instead posting gibberish.
As I said, your so called GDP is from oil. You don't have an industry. You're basically a petrol station in a desert.
I told you, show me your industry and your science and technology. Where is it?

Iranian cars are exported to even Russia afro arab.You cannot even produce 1% of those cars. The point is about industry, you afro arabs are nothing in reality but oil producers. When it comes to science and industry, you're on part with Somalia.

Go ahead dude, show us your "arab" world capability. It only exists in the mind of some inferiority complex riddled afro arabs.

Where are you in laser technology? in nuclear technology? in space technology? in stems cells? In medical science? In nanotechnology?
Seriously dude, can you even make spoons?

Have a proper debate instead of going full retard.
 
@Saif al-Arab

If a deal happens, when Iranians/Co. still be rambling about Arab 'dogs of America' as a ploy to assert control over Arab nations?
Iran, the Gulf states, Israel, Egypt, Turkey and the Muslim Brotherhood all think that the US opposes them and supports their enemies. They can't all be right.[/QUOTE]

lool true they seem to be all confused.:lol:
 
Iran, the Gulf states, Israel, Egypt, Turkey and the Muslim Brotherhood all think that the US opposes them and supports their enemies. They can't all be right.

lool true they seem to be all confused.:lol:[/QUOTE]

It is because the US is confused. They cannot support anyone without supporting their enemies at the same time as well. They supported "moderate" rebels/ISIS in Syria to weaken Iranian/Assad hold on Syria. Now, they're claiming to fight them as well. :lol:
 

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