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Despite obstacles, chances grow for final Iran nuclear deal

@The Last of us @Saif al-Arab

a friendly advice to you both because you are articulate and smart.
both of you must avoid racism otherwise I will ban you from posting

Hi buddy, nice to see you have been made a mod.
Anyway, I do not usually swear, but as you can see this person cannot partake in a proper debate and instead makes multiple lines of random gibberish with no substance. It seems he is suffering from serious inferiority complex. Who else keeps repeating this fantasy abut glorious arab world, cradle of civilization etc etc. This thread as about Iran, but their inferiority complex does not allow them not to come to our threads etc.

He wants to compare his country to Iran, so let him bring facts. Lets compare Iran, to not just saudi, but his entire so called arabs countries. Lets compare their industries and science. He posts some GDP from wikipedia as if that means they're highly advance, industrial nations :lol:
 
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Hi buddy, nice to see you have been made a mod.
Anyway, I do not usually swear, but as you can see this person cannot partake in a proper debate and instead makes multiple lines of random gibberish with no substance. It seems he is suffering from serious inferiority complex. Who else keeps repeating this fantasy abut glorious arab world, cradle of civilization etc etc.

He wants to compare his country to Iran, so let him bring facts. Lets compare Iran, to not just saudi, but his entire so called arabs countries. Lets compare their industries and science. He posts some GDP from wikipedia as if that means they're highly advance, industrial nations :lol:

Yes, writing sole facts is "gibberish" while your nonsense amounts to facts.

Yes, KSA is ahead of Iran on almost all fronts despite having 50 million people less let alone the 450 million big Arab world. Only utter fools would even begin to compare Iran with the GCC or the Arab world as it is a no contest. I mean outside of a few deluded Farsi users on PDF.

You are the one that is quoting my posts not the other way around. I could not give two craps about your sanctioned and impoverished country had the fake wannabe Arab Mullah's that rule you not been barking in the Arab world here and there. Nor would I have ever had commented in this thread had @Falcon29 not tagged me.

Yes, the Arab world is the cradle of civilization as it is home to the oldest civilizations on the planet and it is the longest inhabited area of the world outside of Eastern Africa and Southern Africa. That's a FACT.

Same with the economic numbers, religious influence (do I really have to argue why that is, lol?), cultural or military one.

Let alone in terms of size (area) and population. Any fool can google all of those aspects and reach the same obvious conclusion.

Now go brag about your photoshop army and crappy cars elsewhere. Nobody cares. We live in the real world. A world were your country is sanctioned, poor and has a GDP per capita lower than that of Angola and a economy smaller than that of 10 million big UAE.

I am out.
 
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Hi buddy, nice to see you have been made a mod.
Anyway, I do not usually swear, but as you can see this person cannot partake in a proper debate and instead makes multiple lines of random gibberish with no substance. It seems he is suffering from serious inferiority complex. Who else keeps repeating this fantasy abut glorious arab world, cradle of civilization etc etc.

He wants to compare his country to Iran, so let him bring facts. Lets compare Iran, to not just saudi, but his entire so called arabs countries. Lets compare their industries and science. He posts some GDP from wikipedia as if that means they're highly advance, industrial nations :lol:
some very nice posts from your countrymen are wasted because of racial slurs and I feel bad deleting them

there is simply no justification for quoting and responding to offensive posts in the same manner . all you need to do is report them.
 
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Yes, writing sole facts is "gibberish" while your nonsense amounts to facts.

Yes, KSA is ahead of Iran on almost all fronts despite having 50 million people less let alone the 450 million big Arab world. Only utter fools would even begin to compare Iran with the GCC or the Arab world as it is a no contest. I mean outside of a few deluded Farsi users on PDF.

You are the one that is quoting my posts not the other way around. I could not give two craps about your sanctioned and impoverished country had the fake wannabe Arab Mullah's that rule you not been barking in the Arab world here and there. Nor would I have ever commented in this thread had @Falcon29 not tagged me.


You cannot even provide a shred of evidence for these so called "claims".
You are ahead in almost all fronts? Where are you in science compared to Iran? Are you seriously that deluded or just trolling? Iran is not just ahead, but light years ahead of your state in science and technology.

We're not even swearing here etc, but lets use facts.

Where are you in nanotechnoly? Where are you space technology? In nuclear technology? stem cells? medical science? What about your industries? what do you produce?

Just give some facts, even a little.

some very nice posts from your countrymen are wasted because of racial slurs and I feel bad deleting them

there is simply no justification for quoting and responding to offensive posts in the same manner . all you need to do is report them.

Bro, have you even seen what these people claim? :lol:
He is claiming his country is ahead of Iran in almost "All fronts" :rofl:
seriously dude, how do you even talk sense into such people?

Look at his post, instead of using facts, he starts posting nonsense about cradle of civilization etc :lol: This people cannot even be in a simple debate without going fully foolish.
 
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UAE is dealing with Indian space organisation currently. ISRO will assist them with their mars mission. Why doesn't Iran come up.Both India and Iran can build satellites for central asian region.
 
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UAE is dealing with Indian space organisation currently to assist them with their mars mission. Why doesn't Iran come up.Both India and Iran can build satellites for central asian region.

Iran's space programs will really start to take off (no pun intended :D) in few years. Currently, Iran is experimenting with smaller satellites. Larger satellites will be launched when the Ghaem SLV, which is a solid fuelled SLV, which can put >5000kg in LEO become operational. Iran does have plans to become satellite launchers for other states, but that will be in the next 5-10 years. First we need the newer SLV's. There are various SLV's in development, they should be ready soon.
 
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Iran's space programs will really start to take off (no pun intended :D) in few years. Currently, Iran is experimenting with smaller satellites. Larger satellites will be launched when the Ghaem SLV, which is a solid fuelled SLV, which can put >5000kg in LEO become operational. Iran does have plans to become satellite launchers for other states, but that will be in the next 5-10 years. First we need the newer SLV's. There are various SLV's in development, they should be ready soon.

Well because of those sanctions due to xyz nuclear thing. The space industries always get affected. From electrical, telemetry, and guidance to cryogenics. Iran should start with Solid fuel. Of course due to sanctions it will take 10-11 years for sure. But in the Iran can atleast work on developing electronics. Both are different fields. It will be easier to get help in electronics than in rocket development.
 
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Despite obstacles, chances grow for final Iran nuclear deal| Reuters

Iran is trying to avoid detailed commitments. The French are sticking to their tough line. And U.S. President Barack Obama faces a battle to sell any deal to a skeptical Congress.

Despite those and other obstacles, negotiators appear increasingly likely to clinch an historic deal to restrict Iran's nuclear program for at least a decade in exchange for relief from sanctions, Western and Iranian officials said.

U.S. officials, including Obama, have long said they see at best a 50-50 chance of getting a deal with Iran.

That remains the official line, but diplomats close to the talks tell Reuters the chances are higher than that as foreign ministers and other negotiators head to Vienna next week for the final stage of a nearly two-year process.

Driving the cautious optimism, they say, is not so much progress made in overcoming sticking points as the intense political pressure on the U.S. and Iranian delegations to reach a deal that would end the 12-year nuclear stand-off between Iran and the West.

"We can't rule out failure, but ... it seems more likely that we will get something. Not by June 30, but perhaps in the days that follow," a senior Western official told Reuters, referring to the planned deadline for a deal.

Another Western official said: "I think there will be an agreement because the two most important players need it."

Six world powers - the United States, Britain, France, Germany, Russia and China - aim to stop Iran from gaining the capacity to develop a nuclear bomb. In return, they would lift international sanctions that have crippled Iran's economy.

A preliminary agreement reached in early April left major differences for negotiators to bridge, including the verification regime to ensure Iranian compliance with a deal and the timetable for lifting sanctions.

While acknowledging such issues were far from being resolved and could lead to problems and delays, diplomats said there was a willingness to compromise.

Securing a nuclear deal is politically vital for Obama and his Iranian counterpart Hassan Rouhani.

For Obama, detente with Iran and another long-term U.S. foe, Cuba, may be the only major foreign policy achievements within reach, with the Israel-Palestinian peace process frozen and wars raging in Syria and Iraq.

"There will be a deal, Americans need it more than we do. This deal will help both countries," said an Iranian official, who put the chances of a final deal at 70 percent.

One former senior negotiator for one of the six powers told Reuters the chances were as high as 60-40.

For Rouhani, failure to secure an agreement could lead to his political demise. Iran's foreign minister warned U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry about that earlier this year, saying it would give hardline conservatives who oppose the deal a chance to reassert their authority, Iranian officials said.

"It is very crucial for Rouhani and his camp to clinch this deal," a senior Iranian diplomat told Reuters. "Failure means failure of Rouhani and reforms. It will strengthen the position of his hardline rivals."

Neither Obama nor Rouhani can afford to give too much ground, and yet they must compromise to secure a deal.

Obama must win approval for the deal from the Republican-controlled Congress, where many fear the deal will boost Iran's as a regional power and increase its threat to U.S. allies such as Israel and Saudi Arabia. Officials close to the talks say Obama expects Congress to oppose the deal and is prepared to use his veto to ensure it is not derailed.

On Iran's side, the hard-line supreme ruler, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, has the final word on a deal. Iranian officials say he supports an agreement.



SIGNS OF COMPROMISE

Signs of compromise are emerging.

Western officials say the Iranian negotiators have indicated that the U.N. International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) will be granted access to military sites and Iranian nuclear scientists as part of the verification regime, even though Tehran has publicly rejected that idea.

Kerry appeared this week to soften Washington's insistence that Iran submit fully to a stalled U.N. investigation into past research suspected to have been related to nuclear weapons.

"We're not fixated on Iran specifically accounting for what they did at one point in time or another," Kerry said on Tuesday.

U.S. officials had previously said Iran must answer the IAEA's queries and some sanctions relief would depend on it. Tehran says the agency's evidence about past arms-related activities is fabricated and insists its nuclear program is peaceful.

A State Department spokesman said on Wednesday that Kerry's remarks had been misinterpreted and U.S. policy was unchanged.

Reuters reported in November that the six would likely stop short of demanding full disclosure of any secret weapon work by Tehran to avoid killing an historic deal.

The major powers recently settled another major sticking point - the so-called "snapback" of U.N. sanctions in the event of Iranian non-compliance with the deal. Diplomats have declined to discuss details, and Iran has yet to agree.

One wild card in the negotiations, diplomats say, remains France.

It is the most skeptical of the six powers, and the closest to Israel and Saudi Arabia. They blocked agreement on an interim nuclear accord with Tehran in November 2013 before consenting to it weeks later.

French diplomats say they are determined to keep the pressure on for a good deal.

"Our differences with the Americans aren't just semantic. We're insistent on verification and the follow-up to verification," a senior French official said. "We're not there to make Obama's job more difficult."

Another major difficulty in the talks is likely to be Iran's resistance to specifying details on the technical limits on its future nuclear work, Western diplomats said.

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@Saif al-Arab

If a deal happens, when Iranians/Co. still be rambling about Arab 'dogs of America' as a ploy to assert control over Arab nations?
You are mad because of the deal
 
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You are mad because of the deal

I want a deal to happen so Iran's 'revolution'(demonizing Arabs as dogs of West in order to gain ploy to advance Iranian interests in Arab world) comes to an end. Since if a deal occurs, it can only occur because West has similar understandings with Iran on regional issues. It also means Western/Iranian investments/trade/research will be open to public and expanded. And after that I better not hear any Iranian or Shia telling us anything about 'resistance axis' and why we should oppose Sunni governments and replace them with Shia ones. There's a difference between stating you're an nation that can be independent in some fields and demonizing Arabs as non-independent nations using this ploy to launch Shia insurgencies in their nations.
 
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I want a deal to happen so Iran's 'revolution'(demonizing Arabs as dogs of West in order to gain ploy to advance Iranian interests in Arab world) comes to an end. Since if a deal occurs, it can only occur because West has similar understandings with Iran on regional issues. It also means Western/Iranian investments/trade/research will be open to public and expanded. And after that I better not hear any Iranian or Shia telling us anything about 'resistance axis' and why we should oppose Sunni governments and replace them with Shia ones. There's a difference between stating you're an nation that can be independent in some fields and demonizing Arabs as non-independent nations using this ploy to launch Shia insurgencies in their nations.
But you yourself said that the arabs deserve ISIS and are arabs people and governments are traitors

You want the arabs to revolt against their governments and get killed so that they can arm you.

You said that
 
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Lol this is so true, Farsi sounds like a women who's struggling to give birth :lol:

Hatred makes blind. It's like saying when I hear someone speaking Arabic, something or someone is just about to blow up in a terrorist attack. See? Works both ways.
 
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Hatred makes blind. It's like saying when I hear someone speaking Arabic, something or someone is just about to blow up in a terrorist attack. See? Works both ways.
did you see what @The Last of us wrote before he deleted his post? sadly both Iranians and Arabs are engaging in a very low quality and petty insults right now

our Urdu takes a major share from both Persian and Arabic and they are beautiful and rich in their own right we love out Urdu which although has some elements from Turkish as well but its true to its roots as well so we respect both languages.

I wish and pray that those whoa re handling the intricacies of this nuclear deal are not as petty as the posters in this thread.
I know Saudis are trolling the Americans by opening up talks with the Russians as a punishment for possible Iran-US nuclear deal but this is diplomacy.
I support both deals as long as they are not meant to turn ME into a nuclear wasteland.

Iran's space programs will really start to take off (no pun intended :D) in few years. Currently, Iran is experimenting with smaller satellites. Larger satellites will be launched when the Ghaem SLV, which is a solid fuelled SLV, which can put >5000kg in LEO become operational. Iran does have plans to become satellite launchers for other states, but that will be in the next 5-10 years. First we need the newer SLV's. There are various SLV's in development, they should be ready soon.
all the best

what you guys really need to invest time and effort on is.. basic principles of conducting a decent and civilised conversation and argument without trading insults.

make sure this important social and cultural aspect is not left behind while you go to conquer the solar system and the galaxies
 
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did you see what @The Last of us wrote before he deleted his post? sadly both Iranians and Arabs are engaging in a very low quality and petty insults right now

our Urdu takes a major share from both Persian and Arabic and they are beautiful and rich in their own right we love out Urdu which although has some elements from Turkish as well but its true to its roots as well so we respect both languages.

I wish and pray that those whoa re handling the intricacies of this nuclear deal are not as petty as the posters in this thread.
I know Saudis are trolling the Americans by opening up talks with the Russians as a punishment for possible Iran-US nuclear deal but this is diplomacy.
I support both deals as long as they are not meant to turn ME into a nuclear wasteland.

Yes, and I have banned him before for very same remarks. Only because I have answered one, doesn't mean I approve of the other. Both have participated in a flame war and are trolls in this case.
 
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UAE is dealing with Indian space organisation currently. ISRO will assist them with their mars mission. Why doesn't Iran come up.Both India and Iran can build satellites for central asian region.
when you guys claim that Indian foreign policy is independent then I respect that
but re Iran there are issues with your claim
you guys backed out in the past from Iran and I dont see any possibility of a large scale cooperation with Iran specially because it angers not only select group of Americans but also the Israelis too

so I dont see any possibility of this happening beyond wishful thinking because you will in the end loose more by angering the Jewish lobby.
 
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when you guys claim that Indian foreign policy is independent then I respect that
but re Iran there are issues with your claim
you guys backed out in the past from Iran and I dont see any possibility of a large scale cooperation with Iran specially because it angers not only select group of Americans but also the Israelis too

so I dont see any possibility of this happening beyond wishful thinking because you will in the end loose more by angering the Jewish lobby.

When Israel bombs Palestine, India provides camps and tents. The satellite or any kind of JV should not just be with Iran but including more neighbouring countries, where Iran can be a participant.
 
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