Despite obstacles, chances grow for final Iran nuclear deal

[Madali]

Apparently, for Falcon, negotiating with your USA over nuclear issues is NOT OKAY, but Arabs allowing US bases on their land is fine.

 

[The SiLent crY]

These people are really amazing ,

Racism and anti Shia brainwashing program has made them blind so they can not see the truth .

So @Hazzy , Tell me which Sunni state is going to oppose US and support you against Israel ?

Let me see the options , Hmm Saudi Arabia the leader of Sunni Islam ?

Jordan ?

Egypt ?

Bahrain ?

UAE ?

Qatar ?

Libya ?

Morocco ?

FSA that seems to represent Sunnis in Syria ?

Maybe Turkey ?

Huh , Are they going to use their shiny American + European made weapons to support Hamas and fight the US themselves ?

Probably arming Hamas with F 15 , F 16 , F18 to replace the junky Fajr , Grad and similar Iranian rockets to help you retake the lost lands ?

I guess Saudis are going to send the first wave of support the same way they've been doing for Yemeni separatists in the south , sending you advanced American rifles to replace Iranian paid trashes ?

Maybe these competent Sunni Arabs are going to choose a different way , probably launching a full scale war from every direction while using US and Israeli made AWACS , satellites and drones to eradicate the Zions and save the glorious Ummah ?

With all due respect , Even the dogs are worthy than most of you father fucking Palestinians who not only sold Iran which I don't care but sold your Arab Hezbollah brothers in Syria and got hundreds of them killed with their own tactics .

Because when you give dogs the bone they'll remain loyal to you and at least will not betray you even if they get bigger bones from others .

 

[Falcon29]

Apparently, for Falcon, negotiating with your USA over nuclear issues is NOT OKAY, but Arabs allowing US bases on their land is fine.

Where did I say any of this? Show me?

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@The SiLent crY

For some reason you and others always project a narrative of favoritism. That if I oppose Iran I must favor Jordanian or other Arab monarchy over it. Well I have news for you, you can oppose both. Both in my opinion are very harmful to the Sunni's of region(Saying so because Shia's don't see Iran as harmful for them). However they harm the region in different ways. For the Arab way, it's a case of corruption/crackdown/foreign influence. With regards to Iran, it is the sectarian ambition of power it has where it tries spreading twelver Shia ideology(Where Khameni is praised/looked up to) even when every single one of us repeatedly make it clear that we don't want your ideology, your perspective on Islam, or your perspective on Arab people nor do we share your Iranian identity and cultural belongings of it. Once you understand these factors, this is when people will stop opposing you. But you still through various tactics including intimidation try spreading your ideology for political purposes. You must accept the fact that we reject your ideology, keep it to yourself and don't give us your Iranian influenced narratives against Arabs. We don't share them, so while I am not fanatically pro-Saudi regime. I do favor their people over yours, because we have so much in common. Unlike Iranians who want to force people into their beliefs. Saudi's aren't trying to do that, no matter what political objectives/status quo they seek.

I oppose Iran because it uses this strategy to spread its influence and they try it in Gaza too. Go look at your forums, they simply don't want to leave Arabs alone. Instead they suggest theories like for Gaza's case here's an example: "Bring the right way(shiasm) to Gaza then arm them and they will take Gaza in near future". Of course this can't be put through practice, as Iran/Shia's have no cultural influence in Palestine. But in places like Syria where Shia's are minority, they try doing everything to make that the case and bring in Shia's from elsewhere. In other cases you blow Shia demographics out of proportion. Simply because you're sectarian people who think you rule the Arab world and make up stuff, use violence/force to try asserting control over Arab world exclusively for Shia's, shia narrative and shia culture. In Yemen this is the case, you are trying to 'Iranize' everything there and turn it into Shia colony even though Sunni's are majority. Armed Houthi's do this by attacking all political parties and assume control over state institutions then implementing their political/cultural views as if its official state views. You are the ones with severe brainwashing that always exonerate yourselves from responsibility to this current state of the region and you also are the ones with severe hate towards Sunni's. You just express it in different way(By taking over country and forcing Shia views as state views). I will never that support and oppose that that vile policy in the region. It's a big problem today because Arabs suck at countering it since they won't arm anyone who opposes it and they rather have Iran than Islamists in some cases.

 

[SALMAN F]

Negotiating on Iran NP has got nothing with having same views and understanding on regional issues ... from the beginning Iran has made it clear that negotiating has to focus only and only on nuclear program ... nothing else .... If a deal happens it just means that western countries have come to this conclusion that all these barriers such as military option, sabotaging nuclear sites and also assassination of Iranian nuclear scientists beside unjustifiable sanctions will get them no where and it could not prevent Iran nuclear program from developing
Moreover for years your Arab fellows have negotiated with west and have made peace pacts with israel , buying weapons from the aforementioned western countries give military bases to them cooperated with them on daily basis ... therefore and base on your logic their understandings of regional issues must be much more closer to them than Iran ...
And it's exactly about "resistance axis" ... why do you think Americans want to accept Iran's right to enrich? when and on which occasion they learned to respect nations' right?

Apparently, for Falcon, negotiating with your USA over nuclear issues is NOT OKAY, but Arabs allowing US bases on their land is fine.

These people are really amazing ,

Racism and anti Shia brainwashing program has made them blind so they can not see the truth .

So @Hazzy , Tell me which Sunni state is going to oppose US and support you against Israel ?

Let me see the options , Hmm Saudi Arabia the leader of Sunni Islam ?

Jordan ?

Egypt ?

Bahrain ?

UAE ?

Qatar ?

Libya ?

Morocco ?

FSA that seems to represent Sunnis in Syria ?

Maybe Turkey ?

Huh , Are they going to use their shiny American + European made weapons to support Hamas and fight the US themselves ?

Probably arming Hamas with F 15 , F 16 , F18 to replace the junky Fajr , Grad and similar Iranian rockets to help you retake the lost lands ?

I guess Saudis are going to send the first wave of support the same way they've been doing for Yemeni separatists in the south , sending you advanced American rifles to replace Iranian paid trashes ?

Maybe these competent Sunni Arabs are going to choose a different way , probably launching a full scale war from every direction while using US and Israeli made AWACS , satellites and drones to eradicate the Zions and save the glorious Ummah ?

With all due respect , Even the dogs are worthy than most of you father fucking Palestinians who not only sold Iran which I don't care but sold your Arab Hezbollah brothers in Syria and got hundreds of them killed with their own tactics .

Because when you give dogs the bone they'll remain loyal to you and at least will not betray you even if they get bigger bones from others .

Don't forget he is Hazzy the glorious that you speaking about the leader and savor of arabs and Muslims the destroyer of the jews,Christian crusaders,and Shias

Where did I say any of this? Show me?

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@The SiLent crY

For some reason you and others always project a narrative of favoritism. That if I oppose Iran I must favor Jordanian or other Arab monarchy over it. Well I have news for you, you can oppose both. Both in my opinion are very harmful to the Sunni's of region(Saying so because Shia's don't see Iran as harmful for them). However they harm the region in different ways. For the Arab way, it's a case of corruption/crackdown/foreign influence. With regards to Iran, it is the sectarian ambition of power it has where it tries spreading twelver Shia ideology(Where Khameni is praised/looked up to) even when every single one of us repeatedly make it clear that we don't want your ideology, your perspective on Islam, or your perspective on Arab people nor do we share your Iranian identity and cultural belongings of it. Once you understand these factors, this is when people will stop opposing you. But you still through various tactics including intimidation try spreading your ideology for political purposes. You must accept the fact that we reject your ideology, keep it to yourself and don't give us your Iranian influenced narratives against Arabs. We don't share them, so while I am not fanatically pro-Saudi regime. I do favor their people over yours, because we have so much in common. Unlike Iranians who want to force people into their beliefs. Saudi's aren't trying to do that, no matter what political objectives/status quo they seek.

I oppose Iran because it uses this strategy to spread its influence and they try it in Gaza too. Go look at your forums, they simply don't want to leave Arabs alone. Instead they suggest theories like for Gaza's case here's an example: "Bring the right way(shiasm) to Gaza then arm them and they will take Gaza in near future". Of course this can't be put through practice, as Iran/Shia's have no cultural influence in Palestine. But in places like Syria where Shia's are minority, they try doing everything to make that the case and bring in Shia's from elsewhere. In other cases you blow Shia demographics out of proportion. Simply because you're sectarian people who think you rule the Arab world and make up stuff, use violence/force to try asserting control over Arab world exclusively for Shia's, shia narrative and shia culture. In Yemen this is the case, you are trying to 'Iranize' everything there and turn it into Shia colony even though Sunni's are majority. Armed Houthi's do this by attacking all political parties and assume control over state institutions then implementing their political/cultural views as if its official state views. You are the ones with severe brainwashing that always exonerate yourselves from responsibility to this current state of the region and you also are the ones with severe hate towards Sunni's. You just express it in different way(By taking over country and forcing Shia views as state views). I will never that support and oppose that that vile policy in the region. It's a big problem today because Arabs suck at countering it since they won't arm anyone who opposes it and they rather have Iran than Islamists in some cases.

No one want to be shia its your choice no one else Hazzy

 

[Falcon29]

@SALMAN AL-FARSI

Arab Christians, shias and Jews are our brothers. I have nothing against them, some of my cousins are married to Arab Jews. I have problem with Iran, Arab regimes, western regimes actions in the past. Today they seem to be changing and adopting friendlier approach towards ME. Which is better and helps achieve coexisitence. But we all agree the ME internal problem needs to be solved, and I just stating that Iranian grudge against Arabs should come to an end since we don't need hostility between each other in the region. The problem with not only Iranian nationalists but Arab ones too is they only see things from their perspective and have absolute disregard to everybody else and dehumanize everyone else who may be in the way from acheivig their interests.

 

[ResurgentIran]

First of all these negotiations are multilateral. It involves not just US, but even China, Russia, the major Euro countries.
Second of all, Iran and the US are not in the same side in these negotiations. The end goal is the same, which is to reach a conclusion and avoid escalations which would make region unsafer than it already is (if that is even possible).
US is trying to strip away as many capabilities as possible from Iran, where as Iran wants to preserve as much as possible.
So obviously Iran and the US are not on "same side" or best friends forever.

Btw, this final agreement is not so final anyway. In 10-15 years there will be a so called "sunset clause" and all the restrictions against Iran will go away and we'll be treated as any other non-nuclear weapons state.
The only Iran we cant do is make nukes (legally, I mean. We already possess the capacity to make them), but that was never Iran's goal anyway. Having nuclear weapons is useless, but having capability is usefal as far as deterrence is concerned.

 

[scythian500]

Where did I say any of this? Show me?

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@The SiLent crY

For some reason you and others always project a narrative of favoritism. That if I oppose Iran I must favor Jordanian or other Arab monarchy over it. Well I have news for you, you can oppose both. Both in my opinion are very harmful to the Sunni's of region(Saying so because Shia's don't see Iran as harmful for them). However they harm the region in different ways. For the Arab way, it's a case of corruption/crackdown/foreign influence. With regards to Iran, it is the sectarian ambition of power it has where it tries spreading twelver Shia ideology(Where Khameni is praised/looked up to) even when every single one of us repeatedly make it clear that we don't want your ideology, your perspective on Islam, or your perspective on Arab people nor do we share your Iranian identity and cultural belongings of it. Once you understand these factors, this is when people will stop opposing you. But you still through various tactics including intimidation try spreading your ideology for political purposes. You must accept the fact that we reject your ideology, keep it to yourself and don't give us your Iranian influenced narratives against Arabs. We don't share them, so while I am not fanatically pro-Saudi regime. I do favor their people over yours, because we have so much in common. Unlike Iranians who want to force people into their beliefs. Saudi's aren't trying to do that, no matter what political objectives/status quo they seek.

I oppose Iran because it uses this strategy to spread its influence and they try it in Gaza too. Go look at your forums, they simply don't want to leave Arabs alone. Instead they suggest theories like for Gaza's case here's an example: "Bring the right way(shiasm) to Gaza then arm them and they will take Gaza in near future". Of course this can't be put through practice, as Iran/Shia's have no cultural influence in Palestine. But in places like Syria where Shia's are minority, they try doing everything to make that the case and bring in Shia's from elsewhere. In other cases you blow Shia demographics out of proportion. Simply because you're sectarian people who think you rule the Arab world and make up stuff, use violence/force to try asserting control over Arab world exclusively for Shia's, shia narrative and shia culture. In Yemen this is the case, you are trying to 'Iranize' everything there and turn it into Shia colony even though Sunni's are majority. Armed Houthi's do this by attacking all political parties and assume control over state institutions then implementing their political/cultural views as if its official state views. You are the ones with severe brainwashing that always exonerate yourselves from responsibility to this current state of the region and you also are the ones with severe hate towards Sunni's. You just express it in different way(By taking over country and forcing Shia views as state views). I will never that support and oppose that that vile policy in the region. It's a big problem today because Arabs suck at countering it since they won't arm anyone who opposes it and they rather have Iran than Islamists in some cases.

Iran only has influence among shia majority or countries with significant numbers of them... it is very unreal to suggest after Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Yemen, Afghanistan, etc Iran will go to conquer a sunni state to own it as Arabs accuse Iran of... Syria is an exception here as It is more of a strategic partnership since the day Assad the father supported the under attack Iran against the invader Arab Saddam...Since then, Syria consolidated himself as a pillar of resistance against Western, Israeli agenda... Iran later signed an strategic defense pact with Syria...

It is very naive to even think someday Iran will go to let's say Jordan and trying to own it by making them Shia Twelvers... unless you think Shia is so convincing that Iran can make one billion Sunnis converted Shias but some touristic tours as some Jordanian or Al Azhar Egyption Scholars or minsters suggest!!

Your public media agenda of a dangerous Iran that will invade all ME and revive its Persian Empire is only exists in their false agenda... Those TVs never told you that Shia were among the must suppressed and less privileged people in ME (outside Iran) until very recently? Do you remember Shia majority Iraq under the rule of Saddam the blood drinker? Are you old enough to remember Shia situation in Lebanon before 1980? I personally remember it very well... They were all treated like outsiders while they were a big part of population, Arabs and a majority in some countries... How come you (you as Arab main stream mindset)never condemn those days?

Saudis officially announce their wish list for Iraq and other Shia majority nations... They wish those countries to be ruled by Sunnis again.. but Sunni governments shown many times that they are very HAGHED and should not let run Shia majority countries as no shia minority should and can rule a majority sunni country... Iran supports all Shia where they are suppressed... Look at Bahrain..

Houthis are not Shia Twelvers so the whole Idea of Shia-Sunni here is false... but even now that Houthis control most of Yemen temporarily (as Houthis themselves announce officially), they never want to rule the country alone and suppress the majority Sunnis... They are a follow up of 2011 revolution that still continues... They want an independent unity government to be in Capital and serve Yemenis than Saudis... They want a united Yemen with no Saudi or Iranian foreign interference... Despite what most of you Arabs think, Houthis are not an Iranian puppet group... They chose to come to Iran... they learned the truth about their sector of Islam... corrected it... then started their own revolutionary agenda along side many other non-Houthis parties in September to correct the misguided revolution again... If you read Yemeni national negotiations to form a new governance system since last spring, you clearly see that they never wanted to have the whole power... They saw slave puppet parties who are willing to dictate every single thing from West and KSA... They witnessed Al Qaeda taking the lead in many important parts of Yemen... Houthis are the children of Yemen and has all the right to exercise their rights through revolution and overthrow the puppets and then form a united, all Party government...be it the Hadi or other puppets... Even now after all the Saudi and Western attacks on Yemeni sovereignty, they still are calling Yemeni parties to form a national and independent government and not a puppet one... Although, I believe Hadi and Saudis made a strategic mistake by attacking Yemen... Now, not only Houthis but also many other Yemeni parties and Major Yemeni tribes will never accept Hadi and Saudis to be a part of the revolution's future....

despite your ideas, Iran has no absolute power or influence over Houthis... They are very independent in their policies...

A big Question:

-Jews no matter where they live, support and empower their own people wherever they are...
- West doing the same for its own Western allies
- Wahhabis doing the same for their Wahhabi friends
- Ikhvanit Turkey do the same and empowers Ikhvans...

Now, why it is so strange and dangerous for you to see Iran as the most powerful Shia state empower Shia around the world??

Despite all these, there is one big difference between Iran helping shia and others helping theirs...

Iran helps Iraqi shias to defend themselves against Savage Takfiri terrorists...
Iran helps Shia Lebanese to defend themselves against both Israel and Takfiris (who want to drin shia blood)
Iran helps shia Syrians to defend themselves and their sacred harams against Takfiris
Iran helps Shia Bahrainis and Shia Saudis to get their basic rights...

Compare this with West helping Takfiris and Al qaeda for their own economic, political agenda that only harm the used people...

I personally know Arabs very well due to a long time living among them... To my eyes, the best bet Arabs have is first to stand on their own feet... start to correct their weaknesses... get united... start the work in science and tech and change their oil-oriented future... stop their tribal behavior of demonizing any one or any nation who is not a part of their tribe... Arabs need to trust Iran instead of evil Israel or Turkey or USA or France or UK who has nothing in their history but to use Arabs for their own best while destroying Arabs... Iran is the only trustful hand available for Arabs... The 36 years of Islamic republic of Iran's history shows, Iran is the most reliable partner any country can get... Despite huge losses Iran take for staying to the last drop of blood with Palestinians, Lebanese and Syrians, Iranians still pay the price but you can not see any regrets... Iranians are true friends that beside their own national interest will always respect their mutual responsibilities.... Ask Syrians and Lebanese how Iran helped them financially, militarily and politically while most of Western hostility toward Iran is only because of Iran's help to Arabs countries who want to stay independent and take their occupied lands back...

I need to put years of my experience with Arabs in one sentence:

Arabs be it leaders or ordinary people feel very insecure, They are people of short-sight... They are still kept in tribal culture... They never trust each other let alone strangers be it Iran or USA...