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I never said you defended Stalin.

You did however call Communism a "ideology with noble goals". This "noble" ideology murdered millions wherever it was implemented, whether by Stalin or someone else.

Clearly i gave examples of other Communist regimes.

The ideology IS noble -in its words,the actions were continually disappointing due to the creation of monopoly of power in the hands of few people.Communist ideology doesn't talk of extermination of peoples,nazi ideology does.It is precisely because of misuse of the ideology that it failed.Men are not capable of handling monopoly power in a responsible manner for long,its corrupting.
 
Again ur dragging israel into this..because ur hatred is incapable of seperating the 2.I don't care what israel does today as it is irrelevant to a historical debate.Get that through ur head clearly.

Israel, the state born from the betrayal of Germany now actively betrays its number one ally and sponsor: America.


"The United States rushed Patriot missiles to Israel during the Persian Gulf war to defend against incoming Iraqi Scuds. Now intelligence reports say Israel sold Patriot technology to China. If so, that would violate Israel's obligation not to transfer cutting-edge U.S. technology to others -- a dismaying act by a valued ally."

If Israel Sold Patriot Secrets . . . - New York Times


U.S. Furious With Israel After Sale of Advanced Military Technology to China | Jewish & Israel News Algemeiner.com

Jew Who Sold American Nuclear Secrets To Soviet Union Finally Dies At 92 - The Guardian






I'm not the pretend to know it all ,u are.
When the commander of the german army hindenburg congratulates jewish veterans as his comrades and then u come along and spout ur nonsense i know who to believe.
Germany lost not only because of american involvement but because of other factors-british blockade causing starvation and scarcity of rares.Collapse of her eastern flank with austria finished ,bulgaria ready to surrender.Most importantly the allies had now a breakthrough weapon in tanks which they were producing in thousands -germans totally neglected armor and had built less than 100 or so A7V tanks.Finally-they had lost command of the air-dominate dby french and british.The allies could clearly see all german artillery positions and towards the end aircraft were being used to strafe targets as well.
With its strategic position hopeless due to collapse of its allies and blockade,and tactical situation outgunned by tanks and manpower exhausted it was game over.

Nowhere do we see in ludendorff's diaries or comments anything about a jewish conspiracy or communist paralysis in 1918-infact he was confidently predicting victory in march.
Ludendorf was a General, of course he wouldn't know what his influential German Jewish "compatriots" were up to in America negotiating secret deals with Germany's enemy Britain.
 
Germans had different styles of dealing with western(french,british and maerican) and eastern POWS.Kietel for example refused to treat french POWs in the soviet manner.
So you're avoiding the question i see.

Once again, why did evil racist Nazis, who you claim wanted to exterminate every living non-German, treated a "subhuman" Negro like a gentlemen??

On to the polsih POW luxury,i'm coming to that lol.I don't have time right now for detailed post,but will be posting tonight or tomorrow to clear that up -along with wehrmacht foreign recruitment,life in conc camps.


Good, so you ran out of excuses.
 
Israel, the state born from the betrayal of Germany now actively betrays its number one ally and sponsor: America.


"The United States rushed Patriot missiles to Israel during the Persian Gulf war to defend against incoming Iraqi Scuds. Now intelligence reports say Israel sold Patriot technology to China. If so, that would violate Israel's obligation not to transfer cutting-edge U.S. technology to others -- a dismaying act by a valued ally."

If Israel Sold Patriot Secrets . . . - New York Times


U.S. Furious With Israel After Sale of Advanced Military Technology to China | Jewish & Israel News Algemeiner.com

Jew Who Sold American Nuclear Secrets To Soviet Union Finally Dies At 92 - The Guardian

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Ludendorf was a General, of course he wouldn't know what his influential German Jewish "compatriots" were up to in America negotiating secret deals with Germany's enemy Britain.

First of all what israel does is of no concern to me.

Second ludendorff was the chief of staff of the german army-if something was affecting germany's chance of winning the war he would be the first to know.
Also hindenburg -commander in chief gladly called the jewish veterans his comrades and acknowledged jewish service in german cause in teh war-the letter is dated 1932.I think after 13 years of the end of the war he would have enough time to understand and contemplate the causes he lost that war.And he didn't count 'jewish conspiracy' as one of them.

So soviet union controlled by jews?
Britain controlled by jews?
America controlled by jews?
Germany too was controlled by jews?Until hitler.
Yes i think thats very believable.
 
The ideology IS noble -in its words,the actions were continually disappointing due to the creation of monopoly of power in the hands of few people.Communist ideology doesn't talk of extermination of peoples,nazi ideology does.It is precisely because of misuse of the ideology that it failed.Men are not capable of handling monopoly power in a responsible manner for long,its corrupting.
The implementers of Communism believed it was a noble ideology, and every time they thought they had it right they killed millions of their own.

You can't call that a noble ideology under any circumstance.

BTW, don't you think Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin, and the Jewish Commissars were doing an excellent job at liquidating millions of subhuman Slavs during peace time??
 
So you're avoiding the question i see.

Once again, why did evil racist Nazis, who you claim wanted to exterminate every living non-German, treated a "subhuman" Negro like a gentlemen??



Good, so you ran out of excuses.

Because he is an american pow

Do you deny germans on purpose exterminated millions of eastern europeans over racial preejudice.
Explain generalplan ost.
Explain hunger plan.
Explain plans to wipe out moscow and leningrad.
Explain einsatzgruppen.
Read the testimony of otto ohlendorff-how they gassed children in vans.
Unless u can't don't babble.
Ur the one avoiding the subject.
Explain the above.


No i just ran out of patience and time.But i would like to explain the above before u continue the rant rather than trying to divert the topic.Do it .
 
The implementers of Communism believed it was a noble ideology, and every time they thought they had it right they killed millions of their own.

You can't call that a noble ideology under any circumstance.

BTW, don't you think Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin, and the Jewish Commissars were doing an excellent job at liquidating millions of subhuman Slavs during peace time??

They didn't do it for 'subhuman slavs' ,they did it to consolidate their power bases.Its a matter of power.Islamic generals have slaughtered millions throughout history - so what should islam be called?See if u want to twist a topic i can do the same.
 
First of all what israel does is of no concern to me.

Second ludendorff was the chief of staff of the german army-if something was affecting germany's chance of winning the war he would be the first to know.
Also hindenburg -commander in chief gladly called the jewish veterans his comrades and acknowledged jewish service in german cause in teh war-the letter is dated 1932.I think after 13 years of the end of the war he would have enough time to understand and contemplate the causes he lost that war.And he didn't count 'jewish conspiracy' as one of them.

So soviet union controlled by jews?
Britain controlled by jews?
America controlled by jews?
Germany too was controlled by jews?Until hitler.
Yes i think thats very believable.


I don't deny that Jewish soldiers served Germany in WW1, which they did, just as they would again serve Germany in WW2 in the hundreds, even thousands, holding influential positions with the Armed Forces of Nazi Germany, though you and others who find that fact incompatible with your politically incorrect interpretation of history tend to overlook it.

Anyhow, as i stated before, the power and influence of the few Jews to steer the direction of the war either in the favor of Germany or her enemies was what mattered most.
 
Because he is an american pow

See, now you're making the "evil racist Nazis" seem like some sort of international law respecting humans.

Nothing was holding back the Germans from executing a "subhuman" negro who assisted in the fire bombings of their cities. I'm sure they could have come up with some excuse to cover up his execution, a narrative which would fit well with your politically correct version of history, but they did not do that.





Do you deny germans on purpose exterminated millions of eastern europeans over racial preejudice.
Explain generalplan ost.
Explain hunger plan.
Explain plans to wipe out moscow and leningrad.
Explain einsatzgruppen.
Read the testimony of otto ohlendorff-how they gassed children in vans.
Unless u can't don't babble.
Ur the one avoiding the subject.
Explain the above.
No i just ran out of patience and time.But i would like to explain the above before u continue the rant rather than trying to divert the topic.Do it .

I never denied the prejudice towards the Russians, which wasn't really a German thing but was common throughout all of Eastern Europe where Russians were looked down upon even by the Poles who themselves were Western Slavs.

However the rest, including the "gassing van" claim seems highly unreliable. I'll come to that later.
 
They didn't do it for 'subhuman slavs' ,they did it to consolidate their power bases.Its a matter of power.Islamic generals have slaughtered millions throughout history - so what should islam be called?See if u want to twist a topic i can do the same.
Islamic history has nothing to do with this thread, that is a entirely different subject for another thread, however i will tell you though you probably already know it's a subject i don't shy away from, definitely not from the atrocities committed by Muslims whether in the past or present.

But again, its a whole different subject. However, one will have to admit, Communism within the last hundred years has probably systematically murdered more people than any other ideology in history.
 
I don't deny that Jewish soldiers served Germany in WW1, which they did, just as they would again serve Germany in WW2 in the hundreds, even thousands, holding influential positions with the Armed Forces of Nazi Germany, though you and others who find that fact incompatible with your politically incorrect interpretation of history tend to overlook it.

Anyhow, as i stated before, the power and influence of the few Jews to steer the direction of the war either in the favor of Germany or her enemies was what mattered most.

I know you really want to believe that.And no, few jewish soldiers did serve in wehrmacht under FALSE IDENTITIES ,infact milch was under suspicion from heydrich but goering came to his defense with his famous quote -
''I decide who is a jew''

Fact is germany lost the war to military causes and not to any conspiracy-everyone knows that today-even the germans.The allied tanks were created out of thin air by jewish magicians...the royal navy was not made of jews..austria didn't collapse because of jews but because of her unsustainable multi-national character.Geramny brought usa into the war by her own use of unrestricted sub warfare.Jewish lobby may certainly have helped the process of us entry but on a whole making jewish conspiracya s main cause of german defeat is laughable.
Both ludendorff and hindenburg knew it-u were earlier ranting about how german army was paralyzed-where was the paralysis?How does a paralysed army in 1918 launch a huge offensive like michael ?You are just clutching at straws really.
Acc to you russia,britain,germany,usa are all controlled by jews-the whole world was controlled by jews.
 
Islamic history has nothing to do with this thread, that is a entirely different subject for another thread, however i will tell you though you probably already know it's a subject i don't shy away from, definitely not from the atrocities committed by Muslims whether in the past or present.

But again, its a whole different subject. However, one will have to admit, Communism within the last hundred years has probably systematically murdered more people than any other ideology in history.

It is an analogue.Just like millions have been murdered in the name of islam,similarly it has been done in the name of communism -doesn't make these ideologies automatically evil.
Howevr one,will have to admit that organized religion with islam as one of the main ones among them, has systematically murdered more people than any other ideology in human history.
Nazi ideology however in itself speaks of annihilation.
 
I never denied the prejudice towards the Russians, which wasn't really a German thing but was common throughout all of Eastern Europe where Russians were looked down upon even by the Poles who themselves were Western Slavs.

However the rest, including the "gassing van" claim seems highly unreliable. I'll come to that later.

U denied they had a conspiracy for genocide of slavs earlier in this topic,now going back on ur word?
How can u in good conscience defend a man who planned these-
Hunger plan
Destruction of whole cities and extermination of populations
einsatzgruppen.
Concentration camp extermination
Mass enslavement
Generalplan ost


That is the one question i would like an answer to - How do you justify these?And still support hitler.
 
I know you really want to believe that.And no, few jewish soldiers did serve in wehrmacht under FALSE IDENTITIES ,infact milch was under suspicion from heydrich but goering came to his defense with his famous quote -
''I decide who is a jew''

So in other words, you agree with me that thousands of Jews served in Nazi Germany's Armed Forces, good to know.



"Bryan Mark Rigg, history professor at the American Military University in Virginia, told Reuters on Thursday that the issue of soldiers of partial Jewish descent was long a somewhat taboo subject, overlooked by most academics as it threw up thorny questions.

"Not everybody who wore a uniform was a Nazi and not every person of Jewish descent was persecuted," he said.

According to the Nuremberg Laws of 1935, Jews or those of partial Jewish descent were unfit for military service, but Rigg tracked down and interviewed more than 400 former soldiers of partial Jewish descent -- labelled "Mischlinge" ("half-caste") by the Nazis.

He estimates there were about 60,000 soldiers with one Jewish parent and 90,000 with a Jewish grandparent in the Wehrmacht, the regular army as distinct from the Nazi SS.


Many senior officers with Jewish ancestry won special permission to serve from Hitler himself.


"History is not so black and white. History about Mischlinge shows how bankrupt the Nazi racial laws were," said Rigg."
As Many As 150,000 Jews Served In Hitler's Military

Fact is germany lost the war to military causes and not to any conspiracy-everyone knows that today-even the germans.The allied tanks were created out of thin air by jewish magicians...the royal navy was not made of jews..austria didn't collapse because of jews but because of her unsustainable multi-national character.Geramny brought usa into the war by her own use of unrestricted sub warfare.Jewish lobby may certainly have helped the process of us entry but on a whole making jewish conspiracya s main cause of german defeat is laughable.
Both ludendorff and hindenburg knew it-u were earlier ranting about how german army was paralyzed-where was the paralysis?How does a paralysed army in 1918 launch a huge offensive like michael ?You are just clutching at straws really.
Acc to you russia,britain,germany,usa are all controlled by jews-the whole world was controlled by jews.


Sorry but i agree with Winston Churchill on this over you anytime:


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Speaking in the House of Commons on 4 July 1922, Winston Churchill asked rhetorically,

Are we to keep our pledge to the Zionists made in 1917...? Pledges and promises were made during the war, and they were made, not only on the merits, though I think the merits are considerable. They were made because it was considered they would be of value to us in our struggle to win the war. It was considered that the support which the Jews could give us all over the world, and particularly in the United States, and also in Russia, would be a definite palpable advantage. I was not responsible at that time for the giving of those pledges, nor for the conduct of the war of which they were, when given, an integral part. But like other members I supported the policy of the War Cabinet. Like other members, I accepted and was proud to accept a share in those great transactions, which left us with terrible losses, with formidable obligations, but nevertheless with unchallengeable victory."

COLONIAL OFFICE. (Hansard, 4 July 1922)


Fact is, America's entrance into the war with the help of German Zionist Jewish Bankers was the turning point in favor of the Allies. Prior to that Britain and France made little to no gains against Germany and suffered humiliating losses. It wasn't German "unrestricted" sub warfare, rather deliberate attempts on the part of the US gov.t influenced by the Zionist bankers to find a pretext to enter the war, which eventually did bring America into the war.


Secondly, coming to Communist Jewish subversion of German war industries, Of course the supplies weren't disrupted 100% percent as you're accusing me of having implied such because most German workers were patriotic and remained faithful to the German cause. However the Communist Jewish attempts at subversion of German war industry was there and the effects were felt on the front lines when the German army could not sustain supplies to the front line troops to make Operation Michael effective. You're attempts at denying this historically documented fact is futile.


As documented by Pulitzer Prize Winning Author and Historian John Toland in his best selling book Adolf Hitler: The Definitive Biography:

"Strikes erupted in Vienna and Budapest, set off not only by hunger but by Germany's failure to make peace with the new Bolshevik government in Russia. They spread to Germany itself, which had been under virtual military dictatorship for several months, and on Monday, January 28, 1918, workers throughout Germany went out on strike. Peace was their main demand but they also insisted on workers' representation in negotiations with the Allies, increased food rations, the abolition of martial law, and a democratic government throughout Germany. In Munich, another insurrection broke out. It was led by Kurt Eisner, a small elderly Jew wearing a black floppy hat which, large as it was, couldn't contain a shock of wild hair. Epically untidy, he was a living cartoon of the bomb-throwing Red. He had already spent almost nine months in prison for his wartime strike activities. In Friedrichshafen workers at the Zeppelin plant formed a council. The factory workers in the Stuttgart area, including the vast Daimler motor works, struck and, led by socialists with views similar to Eisner's, made similar demands. Government after government throughout Germany collapsed as workers' and soldiers' councils took control" - Adolf Hitler: The Definitive Biography
 
U denied they had a conspiracy for genocide of slavs earlier in this topic,now going back on ur word?
I said prejudice, not genocide. You do know the difference between the two words right??


How can u in good conscience defend a man who planned these-
Hunger plan
Destruction of whole cities and extermination of populations
einsatzgruppen.
Concentration camp extermination
Mass enslavement
Generalplan ost


That is the one question i would like an answer to - How do you justify these?And still support hitler.
This part i will address, don't worry about it.
 
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