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1). On The "Stab In The Back": German Defeat, Allied Victory In Exchange For Palestine:


• Prior To The Stab: German Military Dominance, Allied Defeats:

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But 1916 was a disastrous year for the Allies. "In the story of the war" wrote Lloyd George,

the end of 1916 found the fortunes of the Allies at their lowest ebb. In the offensives on the western front we had lost three men for every two of the Germans we had put out of action. Over 300,000 British troops were being immobilized for lack of initiative or equipment or both by the Turks in Egypt and Mesopotamia, and for the same reason nearly 400,000 Allied soldiers were for all purposes interned in the malarial plains around Salonika.[89]

The voluntary system of enlistment was abolished, and a mass conscript army of continental pattern was adopted, something which had never before occurred in British history.[Q] [90] German submarine activity in the Atlantic was formidable; nearly 11/2 million tons of merchant shipping had been sunk in 1916 alone. As for paying for the war, the Allies at first had used the huge American debts in Europe to pay for war supplies, but by 1916 the resources of J.P. Morgan and Company, the Allies' financial and purchasing agents in the United States, were said to be nearly exhausted by increased Allied demands for American credit.[91] There was rebellion in Ireland. Lord Robert Cecil stated to the British Cabinet: "France is within measurable distance of exhaustion. The political outlook of Italy is menacing. Her finance is tottering. In Russia, there is great discouragement. She has long been on the verge of revolution. Even her man-power seems coming near its limits. '' [94]

Secretary of State Kitchener was gone -- drowned when the cruiser Hampshire sank on 5 June 1916 off the Orkneys when he was on his way to Archangel and Petrograd to nip the revolution in the bud. He had a better knowledge of the Middle East than anyone else in the Cabinet. The circumstances suggest espionage and treachery. Walter Page, the U.S. Ambassador in London, entered in his diary: "There was a hope and feeling that he (Lord Kitchener) might not come back... as I make out."

There was a stalemate on all fronts. In Britain, France and Germany, hardly a family numbered all its sons among the living. But the British public -- and the French, and the German -- were not allowed to know the numbers of the dead and wounded. By restricting war correspondents, the American people were not allowed to know the truth either.

The figures that are known are a recital of horrors.[R]

In these circumstances, a European tradition of negotiated peace in scores of wars, might have led to peace at the end of 1916 or early 1917."

Behind the Balfour Declaration



• The Stab Itself:


"Malcolm's belief in the Balfour Declaration as a means of bringing the United States into the war was confirmed by Samuel Landman, secretary to the Zionist leaders Weizmann and Sokolow, and later secretary of the World Zionist Organization. As

" the only way (which proved so to be) to induce the American President to come into the war was to secure the cooperation of Zionist Jews by promising them Palestine, and thus enlist and mobilize the hitherto unsuspectedly powerful forces of Zionist Jews in America and elsewhere in favour of the Allies on a quid pro quo contract basis. Thus, as will be seen, the Zionists having carried out their part, and greatly helped to bring America in, the Balfour Declaration of 1917 was but the public confirmation of the necessarily secret "gentlemens' " agreement of 1916, made with the previous knowledge, acquiescence, and or approval of the Arabs, and of the British, and of the French and other Allied governments, and not merely a voluntary, altruistic and romantic gesture on the part of Great Britain as certain people either through pardonable ignorance assume or unpardonable ill-will would represent or rather misrepresent ...[188] "- Great Britain, the Jews and Palestine (London, 1936), pp. 4-5, New Zionist Press.

Behind the Balfour Declaration

"Speaking in the House of Commons on 4 July 1922, Winston Churchill asked rhetorically,

Are we to keep our pledge to the Zionists made in 1917...? Pledges and promises were made during the war, and they were made, not only on the merits, though I think the merits are considerable. They were made because it was considered they would be of value to us in our struggle to win the war. It was considered that the support which the Jews could give us all over the world, and particularly in the United States, and also in Russia, would be a definite palpable advantage. I was not responsible at that time for the giving of those pledges, nor for the conduct of the war of which they were, when given, an integral part. But like other members I supported the policy of the War Cabinet. Like other members, I accepted and was proud to accept a share in those great transactions, which left us with terrible losses, with formidable obligations, but nevertheless with unchallengeable victory."

COLONIAL OFFICE. (Hansard, 4 July 1922)

Behind the Balfour Declaration




• Who Were These Influential German Zionist/Jewish Bankers Involved In This Betrayal Of Germany?:




From Wiki:

German Jew & influential Zionist banker Jacob Schiff:


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"Schiff was born in 1847 in Frankfurt am Main, Germany, to Moses and Clara (née Niederhofheim) Schiff, members of a distinguished Ashkenazi Jewish rabbinical family that traced its lineage in Frankfurt back to 1370. His father, Moses Schiff, was a broker for the Rothschilds.[1] Schiff was educated in the schools of Frankfurt and was first employed in the banking and brokerage business as an apprentice in 1861.[4][5] After the U.S. Civil War had ended in April, 1865, Schiff came to the United States, arriving in New York City on August 6.

Upon the dissolution of Budge, Schiff & Company in 1872, Schiff decided to return to Germany. In 1873 he became manager of the Hamburg branch of the London & Hanseatic Bank."


German Jew and influential Zionist Banker Felix Warburg:

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"Felix Moritz Warburg (14 January 1871 – 20 September 1937) was a German-born American banker. He was a member of the Warburg banking family of Hamburg, Germany."


German Zionist Jew Otto Warburg, instrumental in the deal involving the Balfour Declaration
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"Otto Warburg (1859–1938), was a German botanist. He was also a notable industrial agriculture expert, as well as an active member of the Zionist Organization (ZO). From 1911–21, he served as the president of the Zionist Organization, which among other things, sought 'for the Jewish people a publicly and legally assured home in Palestine."[1]

Otto Warburg was born in Hamburg on 20 July 1859 to a family whose ancestors came to Germany in 1566, possibly from Bologna. He completed his studies at the Johanneum Gymnasium in Hamburg in 1879, and continued his education in the field of botany at the University of Bonn which he left after one semester to move to the University of Berlin, and later to University of Strasbourg, where he received his Ph.D in 1883. He went on to study chemistry in Munich and physiology in Tübingen with Wilhelm Pfeffer. In 1885 he embarked on a 4 year expedition to Southern and Southeastern Asia, ending in Australia in 1889."




The Role Of Otto Warburg In The German Intelligence During WW1:

"[M] Of the Warburg international banking family. Although ostensibly a second Secretary in the Wilhelmstrasse, Warburg has been reported as having the same postition in German counterintelligence as Adrmiral Canaris in World War II.
[N] Jacob Schiff, German-born senior partner in Kuhn, Loeb & Co. and "the most influential figure of his day in American Jewish life," wrote in The Menorah Journal of April 1915: "It is well known that I am a German sympathizer ... England has been contaminated by her alliance with Russia ... am quite convinced that in Germany anti-Semitism is a thing of the past.[64] The Jewish Encyclopedia for 1906 states that "Schiff's firm subscribed for and floated the large Japanese war loan in 1904-05" (for the Russo-Japanese war). "in recognition of which the Mikado conferred on Schiff the second order of the Sacred Treasure of Japan." Partners with Schiff were Felix M. Warburg and his brother Paul who had come to New York in 1902 from Hamburg, and organized the Federal Reserve System."

Behind the Balfour Declaration


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2). On Re-Militarization of The Rhineland And German Rearmament:

So @AUSTERLITZ accuses Hitler of going back on his words about maintaining peace and not pursuing any aggressive policies, well, lets have on objective look at history:

According to what Austerlitz stated and his sources, Hitler began rearmament in 1936 in violation of the treaty of Versailles, and this somehow signified a aggressive policy towards Germany's neighbors, and thus Germany was unjustified in rearming because her neighbors, who themselves possessed armies 3-6 times the size of that of Germany's, "felt threatened". Austerlitz however completely left out the reasons for rearmament on the part of Germany:


French occupation of Germany at will and its policy of encircling Germany through military alliances with its hostile neighbors predated Hitler's rise to power and German rearmament:


French Occupation Of The Ruhr, 1923-1925- Wikipedia


Alliances with Germany's enemies at a time when Germany was economically and militarily incapable of posing any threat (only 100,00 troops in total, that too for only internal policing duties):

"This alliance was closely tied with the Franco-Czech Alliance. The alliances of France with Poland and Czechoslovakia were aimed at deterring Germany from the use of force to achieve a revision of the postwar settlement or ensuring that German forces would be confronted with significant combined strength of its neighbours. Although Czechoslovakia had a significant economy and industry, and Poland a strong army, the French-Polish-Czechoslovakian triangle never reached its full potential."
Franco-Polish alliance (1921)- Wikipedia

Franco-Czech Alliance- 1924

"The Franco-Soviet Treaty of Mutual Assistance was a bilateral treaty between the two countries with the aim of encircling Nazi Germany in 1935 in order to reduce threat from central Europe. It was pursued by Louis Barthou, the French foreign minister, but he was assassinated before negotiations were finished. In response to the threat to Germany clearly presented by the Franco-Soviet alliance, Germany remilitarised the Rhineland and began fashioning anti-Communist alliances with neighbouring states. Most serious commentators regarded the German move, which had long been anticipated by British and French foreign policy experts and military leaders, as a necessary one. Former British Prime Minister David Lloyd-George stated in the House of Commons of the United Kingdom that Hitler's actions in the wake of this pact were fully justified, and he would have been a traitor to Germany if he had not protected his country.[2]""

Franco-Soviet Treaty of Mutual Assistance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia




Clearly, when faced with such circumstances Hitler not only was justified but obligated in rearming and rebuilding the German military to deal with such violations of Germany's National integrity and the looming threat the country faced from all directions. Germany was literally at the mercy of her neighbors.


Though, despite these developments, German rearmament was only meager when compared to France, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Soviet Union, and Britain's arms productions and number of men in military service was also very minimal compared to that of these countries:


"The German army lagged well behind other Great Powers with respect to manpower as well. In 1935, the French army numbered 655,000 men, Poland's 298,000, and the Czech army 140,000. The Soviet Union had 885,000 men under arms. None of these countries were well-disposed toward Germany. Since the Reich had had no draft for the last 15 years, there were no reservists. France possessed 4.5 million, Poland 3.2 million, and Czechoslovakia 1.3 million reservists[126]" - Hitler's Revolution: Ideology, Social Programs, Foreign Affairs

"During 1938, barley nine percent of German industry produced military wares.[123] The amount increased as the war approached, reaching about 15 percent by the end of 1939, though some estimates are slightly higher. England by contrast, spent 15 percent of her budget on rearmament in 1935 and 38 percent during 1938.[124] The economist Dr. Anja Bagel-Bohlen concluded that the Reich's "arms production in reality never received unrestricted priority in the economy as it appeared.... The German industry was in no way prepared for an extended confrontation with the enemy's industrial potential."[125]" -Hitler's Revolution: Ideology, Social Programs, Foreign Affairs

"In January 1933, the German army and navy totaled 113,523 personnel. By the end of the year, the roster rose to just 122,000. On March 21, 1935, Hitler reinstituted compulsory military service. The draft did not actually begin until October. The army added 200,000 more men, the navy 10,000. Another 20,000 joined the new air force, the Luftwaffe. The German economy had created 3.6 million new jobs by 1935. Military recruitment therefore made a small contribution to alleviating unemployment. "The frequent argument that Hitler found the unemployed population work and bread solely through a massive build-up of the armed forces is untenable, when the actual statistics are examined," the historian Ralf Wittrich observed.[127] Schacht confirmed this when he stated, "the elimination of unemployment in Germany... succeeded without rearmament."[128]

The American historian David Schoenbaum concluded, "In many respects... the National Socialists went to war with a peacetime economy rather than having created a war-based economy in peacetime."[129] An in-depth study by professors William Langer and Everett Gleason stated, "Nazi military power and war production in 1939 were greatly overestimated by the democracies. There can now be little doubt that the Germans in 1939 were far from prepared for a long war on a large scale... war production was inferior to that of the combined British and French and they had very little in the way of reserves."[130]" - Hitler's Revolution: Ideology, Social Programs, Foreign Affairs


German economy did not shift gears into war production mode until very late into the war:

From Wikipedia: German armored fighting vehicle production during World War II - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



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Compare the above numbers to those of Germany's "peaceful" adversaries:



Based on the charts in the link below, Germany ranks amongst the lowest in military production compared to her "peaceful" adversaries:

Military production during World War II - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Other relevant links:

French combat vehicle production during World War II - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Soviet combat vehicle production during World War II - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

British armoured fighting vehicle production during World War II - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



On the reliability of the Hossbach Protocols:

This is a very long read but i am posting the important portion of it here:

"According to the Hossbach document presented at Nuremberg and widely quoted ever since, Hitler told those present that his remarks were to be regarded as a "final testament" in case of his death. The most incriminating section quotes Hitler as saying that the armed forces would have to act by 1943-45 at the latest to secure the "living space" ("Lebensraum") Germany needed. However, if France became weakened by internal crisis before that time, Germany should take action against Czechia (Bohemia and Moravia). Or if France became so embroiled in war (probably with Italy) that she could not take action against Germany, then Germany should seize Czechia and Austria simultaneously. Hitler's alleged references to German "living space" refer only to Austria and Czechia.

When Hitler came to power in 1933, Germany was militarily at the mercy of hostile foreign states. Rearmament had begun slowly, and in early 1937, because of a raw materials shortage, the three armed service branches had to cut back. A furious dispute broke out between the branches for the remaining allocation.

Contrary to what the Hossbach protocol suggests, Hitler called the conference of 5 November 1937 partially to reconcile the squabbling heads of the military branches and partially to revive the German rearmament program. Foreign policy was only a subsidiary issue. Hitler sought to justify the need for rebuilding German armed strength by presenting several exaggerated and hypothetical foreign crisis cases which would require military action, none of which ever occurred. Hitler announced no new course in German foreign policy, much less a plan for aggressive war.

At Nuremberg Göring testified that Hitler told him privately just before the conference that the main purpose in calling the meeting was "to put pressure on General von Fritsch, since he (Hitler) was dissatisfied with the rearmament of the army." Raeder confirmed Göring's statement.

Like some other aristocratic and traditionalist conservatives, Hossbach became a bitter opponent of Hitler and the National Socialist regime. He was an intimate friend of General Ludwig Beck, who was executed in 1944 for his leading role in the conspiracy which tried to assassinate Hitler and overthrow the government. Despite his postwar denial, it is virtually certain that Hossbach prepared his slanted version of the conference at Beck's urging for possible use in discrediting the Hitler regime following a coup d'etat. Hossbach was also close to Admiral Wilhelm Canaris, head of military intelligence, and General Ziehlberg, both of whom were also executed for their roles in the 1944 assassination plot. Even in early 1938 Hossbach, Beck and Canaris were in favor of a coup to forcibly overthrow Hitler.

The Hossbach memorandum is frequently cited in popular historical works as conclusive proof of Hitler's plans for aggressive war. A good example is William Shirer's best-selling but unreliable Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, which alleged that the protocol recorded "the decisive turning point in the life of the Third Reich." At this critical conference, Shirer wrote, "... the die was cast. Hitler had communicated his irrevocable decision to go to war. To the handful of men who would have to direct it there could no longer by any doubt." Like many other Germanophobe publicists, Shirer deceptively cites the Hossbach memorandum as a reliable record. He even distorts the actual wartime importance of the conference participants. Of the five top officials present, three (Blomberg, Fritsch, Neurath) lost their high positions within months of the meeting. Raeder was replaced as Navy Commander in January 1943. Only Göring was really close to Hitler.

There is now no doubt that the Hossbach protocol is worthless as a historical document. After the war both Hossbach and Kirchbach declared that the U.S. prosecution version is quite different than the document manuscript they recalled. Hossbach also testified at Nuremberg that he could not confirm that the prosecution version corresponded completely with the manuscript he wrote in 1937. And in his memoirs, he admitted that in any case, Hitler did not outline any kind of "war plan" at the meeting. At Nuremberg, Göring, Raeder, Blomberg and Neurath all denounced the Hossbach protocol as a gross misrepresentation of the conference. (Fritsch was dead.) The protocol deals only with the first half of the meeting, thereby distorting its true character. The memorandum concludes with the simple sentence: "The second half of the conference dealt with material armaments questions." No details are given. In 1968 Victor von Martin characterized the memorandum with these words: "The protocol presented at the Nuremberg court was put together in such a way as to totally change the meaning [of the original] and can therefore be characterized only as a crude forgery."

When he wrote his path-breaking study, The Origins of the Second World War, A.J.P. Taylor accepted the Hossbach memorandum as a faithful record of the meeting of 5 November 1937. However, in a supplementary "Second Thoughts" added to later editions, the renowned British historian admitted that he had initially been "taken in" by the "legend" of the document. The allegedly significant conference was actually "a maneuver in domestic affairs." The protocol itself, Taylor noted, "contains no directives for action beyond a wish for increased armaments." He ruefully observed that "those who believe in political trials may go on quoting the Hossbach memorandum." H.W. Koch, a Lecturer at the University of York (England), further dismantled the legend in a 1968 article which concluded that the infamous protocol would be "inadmissible in any other court except the Nuremberg tribunal."

The Hossbach 'Protocol' (Review)
 
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3). On the dissolution Czechoslovakia:

The state of Czechoslovakia was an artificial state created by the victorious Western Allies after WW1. Its demographics consisted of an unstable composition of ethnic Germans in the Sudetenland who wished to be a part of Germany, ethnic Poles in the northern regions bordering Poland and a few other territories on which the Polish leadership had claims, and ethnic Slovaks who wished to form their own independent state. Also, the state of Hungary had claims to certain Czechoslovak territories as well:

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The Poles in conjunction with the Germans simultaneously invaded from the north and annexed portions of Czechoslovakia despite not having been granted the permission to do so by the French and British gov.t's. The Hungarians followed suit in 1939 by annexing large chunks of Czechoslovak territories (or what remained of former Czechoslovakia).

"The Polish leader, Colonel Józef Beck believed that Warsaw should act rapidly to forestall the German occupation of the city. At noon on 30 September, Poland gave an ultimatum to the Czechoslovak government. It demanded the immediate evacuation of Czechoslovak troops and police and gave Prague time until noon the following day. At 11:45 a.m. on 1 October the Czechoslovak foreign ministry called the Polish ambassador in Prague and told him that Poland could have what it wanted. The Polish Army, commanded by General Władysław Bortnowski, annexed an area of 801.5 km² with a population of 227,399 people.

The Germans were delighted with this outcome. They were happy to give up a provincial rail centre to Poland; it was a small sacrifice indeed. It spread the blame of the partition of Czechoslovakia, made Poland a seeming accomplice in the process and confused the issue as well as political expectations. Poland was accused of being an accomplice of Nazi Germany – a charge that Warsaw was hard put to deny.[5]

Poland occupied some northern parts of Slovakia and received from Czechoslovakia Zaolzie, territories around Suchá Hora and Hladovka, around Javorina, and in addition the territory around Lesnica in the Pieniny Mountains, a small territory around Skalité and some other very small border regions (they officially received the territories on 1 November 1938 (see also Munich Agreement and First Vienna Award)."

Polish Invasion of Czechoslovakia, 1938- Wikipedia


Additional Annexation of Eastern Slovakia by Hungary, 23-26 March 1939



In light of these developments, the League of Nations, and Britain and France in particular remained mute over the combined dismemberment of the state of Czechoslovakia by her three neighboring countries.

The succeeding Czech president Emil Hacha knowing that the remainder of his country was under serious threat of being swallowed up by Poland and Hungary subsequently handed over the authority of his state to Hitler.
 
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4). On The Soviet Threat To Eastern And Central Europe:

The Soviet Union, since its inception had made many attempts at invading and annexing new territories within Eastern and Central Europe either through Communist Revolutions involving subversive activities of its agents within those countries or when this method failed, through direct military intervention. Once the Soviet State was established, mass liquidations and deportations to slave labor camps of "class enemies" and intellectual adversaries commenced without delay. This pattern was repeated in every country falling under Soviet/Communist occupation:

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Polish Anti-Bolshevik/Communist Poster that reads "Smash Bolshevism"





Soviet Invasions Of Europe Prior To Hitler's rise To Power:


Soviet aggression into Europe before Hitler appeared on the political scene:

Soviet Invasion of Eastern Europe,1919-Wikipedia

Soviet Westward Offensive Toward Germany, 1919-Wikipedia

Soviet Invasion of Poland,1920-Wikipedia

Soviet support for Communist revolution within Germany post WW1:

Communist Revolution in Germany, 1918-1919-Wikipedia

Soviet actions against the local populace of the Baltic states and other countries they annexed between 1938-1941:

Forced Settlements in the Soviet Union-Wikipedia

Population Transfer in the Soviet Union-Wikipedia


Soviet Deportations from Estonia-Wikipedia

Soviet deportations from Estonia in 1940s - estonia.eu

Soviet Mass Deportations from Latvia

Soviet Russia's Persecution of Latvia, 1918-1991

Latvia 50 Years

Soviet deportations from Bessarabia and Northern Bukovina-Wikipedia

Soviet Liquidation of Polish Officers - Katyn Forest Massacre

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre

Soviet Deportations from Lithuania-Wikipedia




What Germany And The Rest Of Europe Feared:


"In his lengthy December 11, 1941, speech declaring war against the United States, Hitler described in detail the Soviet menace, which was being aided and abetted by Britain and the (still officially neutral) USA. In this historic Reichstag address, the German leader said: note 2

"Already in 1940 it became increasingly clear from month to month that the plans of the men in the Kremlin were aimed at the domination, and thus the destruction, of all of Europe. I have already told the nation of the build-up of Soviet Russian military power in the East during a period when Germany had only a few divisions in the provinces bordering Soviet Russia. Only a blind person could fail to see that a military build-up of unique world-historical dimensions was being carried out. And this was not in order to protect something that was being threatened, but rather only to attack that which seemed incapable of defense ...

"When I became aware of the possibility of a threat to the east of the Reich in 1940 through [secret] reports from the British House of Commons and by observations of Soviet Russian troop movements on our frontiers, I immediately ordered the formation of many new armored, motorized and infantry divisions ...

"We realized very clearly that under no circumstances could we allow the enemy the opportunity to strike first into our rear. Nevertheless, the decision in this case was a very difficult one ...

"A truly impressive amount of authentic material is now available that confirms that a Soviet Russian attack was intended. We are also sure about when this attack was to take place. In view of this danger, the extent of which we are perhaps only now truly aware, I can only thank the Lord God that He enlightened me in time, and has given me the strength to do what must be done. Millions of German soldiers may thank Him for their lives, and all of Europe for its existence.

"I may say this today: If the wave of more than 20,000 tanks, hundreds of divisions, tens of thousands of artillery pieces, along with more than 10,000 airplanes, had not been kept from being set into motion against the Reich, Europe would have been lost ..."

New Evidence on the 1941 'Barbarossa' Attack (Review)



The Reality Of Life Within The "Workers Paradise":


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Stalin's Jews- A Rare Look At The Most Ruthless Mass Murderers In History


Lazar Kaganovich, AKA 'The Butcher of Ukraine',
Stalin's Jewish Commissar and Brother in Law. Responsible
for enforcing forced collectivization of peasants crops leading to
mass starvation from artificial famine:


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Genrikh Yagoda, Stalin's Chief of NKVD from 1934-1936, also a Jew, played an
equally instrumental role in the artificial famines of the Ukraine resulting in
mass starvation and deaths of millions:

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Lavrenti Beria, Stalin's Right Hand Man and Jewish Commissar.
Was the head of the NKVD (soviet secret police) and ordered the execution of
25,000 Polish officers and intellingentsia in 1940 in what has come to be known as
the Katyn Forest Massacre:

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"The massacre was prompted by NKVD chief Lavrentiy Beria's proposal to execute all captive members of the Polish Officer Corps, dated 5 March 1940, approved by the Soviet Politburo, including its leader, Joseph Stalin. The number of victims is estimated at about 22,000.[1] The victims were murdered in the Katyn Forest in Russia, the Kalinin and Kharkiv prisons, and elsewhere. Of the total killed, about 8,000 were officers taken prisoner during the 1939 Soviet invasion of Poland, another 6,000 were police officers, and the rest were arrested Polish intelligentsia the Soviets deemed to be "intelligence agents, gendarmes, landowners, saboteurs, factory owners, lawyers, officials and priests".[1]

The government of Nazi Germany announced the discovery of mass graves in the Katyn Forest in 1943. When the London-based Polish government-in-exile asked for an investigation by the International Red Cross, Stalin immediately severed diplomatic relations with it. The Soviet Union claimed the victims had been murdered by the Nazis in 1941, and continued to deny responsibility for the massacres until 1990, when it officially acknowledged and condemned the perpetration of the killings by the NKVD, as well as the subsequent cover-up by the Soviet government.[1][2][3][a]

An investigation conducted by the Prosecutor General's Office of the Soviet Union (1990–1991) and the Russian Federation (1991–2004) confirmed Soviet responsibility for the massacres, but refused to classify this action as a war crime or an act of genocide. The investigation was closed on the grounds that the perpetrators of the massacre were already dead, and since the Russian government would not classify the dead as victims of Stalinist repression, formal posthumous rehabilitation was deemed inapplicable.[4]

In November 2010, the Russian State Duma approved a declaration blaming Stalin and other Soviet officials for having personally ordered the massacre.[5]"

Katyn massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Katyn Forest Massacre

Scenes From Recent Polish Film 'Katyn':


"Olga Shatunovskaya, a member of the Soviet Commission of Party Control, and head of a special commission during the 1960s appointed by premier Khrushchev, has similarly concluded: "From January 1, 1935 to June 22, 1941, 19,840,000 enemies of the people were arrested. Of these, seven million were shot in prison, and a majority of the others died in camp." These figures were also found in the papers of Politburo member Anastas Mikoyan.33

Robert Conquest, the distinguished specialist of Soviet history, recently summed up the grim record of Soviet "repression" of it own people:34

It is hard to avoid the conclusion that the post-1934 death toll was well over ten million. To this should be added the victims of the 1930-1933 famine, the kulak deportations, and other anti-peasant campaigns, amounting to another ten million plus. The total is thus in the range of what the Russians now refer to as 'The Twenty Million'."

A few other scholars have given significantly higher estimates.35"

The Jewish Role in the Bolshevik Revolution and Russia's Early Soviet Regime

June 22, 1941, was the date of Hitler's preemptive invasion of the soviet union, this should give one an idea of life under the Soviet "workers paradise".

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1). On The "Stab In The Back": German Defeat, Allied Victory In Exchange For Palestine:


• Prior To The Stab: German Military Dominance, Allied Defeats:



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But 1916 was a disastrous year for the Allies. "In the story of the war" wrote Lloyd George,

the end of 1916 found the fortunes of the Allies at their lowest ebb. In the offensives on the western front we had lost three men for every two of the Germans we had put out of action. Over 300,000 British troops were being immobilized for lack of initiative or equipment or both by the Turks in Egypt and Mesopotamia, and for the same reason nearly 400,000 Allied soldiers were for all purposes interned in the malarial plains around Salonika.[89]

The voluntary system of enlistment was abolished, and a mass conscript army of continental pattern was adopted, something which had never before occurred in British history.[Q] [90] German submarine activity in the Atlantic was formidable; nearly 11/2 million tons of merchant shipping had been sunk in 1916 alone. As for paying for the war, the Allies at first had used the huge American debts in Europe to pay for war supplies, but by 1916 the resources of J.P. Morgan and Company, the Allies' financial and purchasing agents in the United States, were said to be nearly exhausted by increased Allied demands for American credit.[91] There was rebellion in Ireland. Lord Robert Cecil stated to the British Cabinet: "France is within measurable distance of exhaustion. The political outlook of Italy is menacing. Her finance is tottering. In Russia, there is great discouragement. She has long been on the verge of revolution. Even her man-power seems coming near its limits. '' [94]

Secretary of State Kitchener was gone -- drowned when the cruiser Hampshire sank on 5 June 1916 off the Orkneys when he was on his way to Archangel and Petrograd to nip the revolution in the bud. He had a better knowledge of the Middle East than anyone else in the Cabinet. The circumstances suggest espionage and treachery. Walter Page, the U.S. Ambassador in London, entered in his diary: "There was a hope and feeling that he (Lord Kitchener) might not come back... as I make out."

There was a stalemate on all fronts. In Britain, France and Germany, hardly a family numbered all its sons among the living. But the British public -- and the French, and the German -- were not allowed to know the numbers of the dead and wounded. By restricting war correspondents, the American people were not allowed to know the truth either.

The figures that are known are a recital of horrors.[R]

In these circumstances, a European tradition of negotiated peace in scores of wars, might have led to peace at the end of 1916 or early 1917."

Behind the Balfour Declaration



• The Stab Itself:


"Malcolm's belief in the Balfour Declaration as a means of bringing the United States into the war was confirmed by Samuel Landman, secretary to the Zionist leaders Weizmann and Sokolow, and later secretary of the World Zionist Organization. As

" the only way (which proved so to be) to induce the American President to come into the war was to secure the cooperation of Zionist Jews by promising them Palestine, and thus enlist and mobilize the hitherto unsuspectedly powerful forces of Zionist Jews in America and elsewhere in favour of the Allies on a quid pro quo contract basis. Thus, as will be seen, the Zionists having carried out their part, and greatly helped to bring America in, the Balfour Declaration of 1917 was but the public confirmation of the necessarily secret "gentlemens' " agreement of 1916, made with the previous knowledge, acquiescence, and or approval of the Arabs, and of the British, and of the French and other Allied governments, and not merely a voluntary, altruistic and romantic gesture on the part of Great Britain as certain people either through pardonable ignorance assume or unpardonable ill-will would represent or rather misrepresent ...[188] "- Great Britain, the Jews and Palestine (London, 1936), pp. 4-5, New Zionist Press.

Behind the Balfour Declaration

"Speaking in the House of Commons on 4 July 1922, Winston Churchill asked rhetorically,

Are we to keep our pledge to the Zionists made in 1917...? Pledges and promises were made during the war, and they were made, not only on the merits, though I think the merits are considerable. They were made because it was considered they would be of value to us in our struggle to win the war. It was considered that the support which the Jews could give us all over the world, and particularly in the United States, and also in Russia, would be a definite palpable advantage. I was not responsible at that time for the giving of those pledges, nor for the conduct of the war of which they were, when given, an integral part. But like other members I supported the policy of the War Cabinet. Like other members, I accepted and was proud to accept a share in those great transactions, which left us with terrible losses, with formidable obligations, but nevertheless with unchallengeable victory."

COLONIAL OFFICE. (Hansard, 4 July 1922)

Behind the Balfour Declaration




• Who Were These Influential German Zionist/Jewish Bankers Involved In This Betrayal Of Germany?:




From Wiki:

German Jew & influential Zionist banker Jacob Schiff:



"Schiff was born in 1847 in Frankfurt am Main, Germany, to Moses and Clara (née Niederhofheim) Schiff, members of a distinguished Ashkenazi Jewish rabbinical family that traced its lineage in Frankfurt back to 1370. His father, Moses Schiff, was a broker for the Rothschilds.[1] Schiff was educated in the schools of Frankfurt and was first employed in the banking and brokerage business as an apprentice in 1861.[4][5] After the U.S. Civil War had ended in April, 1865, Schiff came to the United States, arriving in New York City on August 6.

Upon the dissolution of Budge, Schiff & Company in 1872, Schiff decided to return to Germany. In 1873 he became manager of the Hamburg branch of the London & Hanseatic Bank."


German Jew and influential Zionist Banker Felix Warburg:


"Felix Moritz Warburg (14 January 1871 – 20 September 1937) was a German-born American banker. He was a member of the Warburg banking family of Hamburg, Germany."


German Zionist Jew Otto Warburg, instrumental in the deal involving the Balfour Declaration
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"Otto Warburg (1859–1938), was a German botanist. He was also a notable industrial agriculture expert, as well as an active member of the Zionist Organization (ZO). From 1911–21, he served as the president of the Zionist Organization, which among other things, sought 'for the Jewish people a publicly and legally assured home in Palestine."[1]

Otto Warburg was born in Hamburg on 20 July 1859 to a family whose ancestors came to Germany in 1566, possibly from Bologna. He completed his studies at the Johanneum Gymnasium in Hamburg in 1879, and continued his education in the field of botany at the University of Bonn which he left after one semester to move to the University of Berlin, and later to University of Strasbourg, where he received his Ph.D in 1883. He went on to study chemistry in Munich and physiology in Tübingen with Wilhelm Pfeffer. In 1885 he embarked on a 4 year expedition to Southern and Southeastern Asia, ending in Australia in 1889."




The Role Of Otto Warburg In The German Intelligence During WW1:

"[M] Of the Warburg international banking family. Although ostensibly a second Secretary in the Wilhelmstrasse, Warburg has been reported as having the same postition in German counterintelligence as Adrmiral Canaris in World War II.
[N] Jacob Schiff, German-born senior partner in Kuhn, Loeb & Co. and "the most influential figure of his day in American Jewish life," wrote in The Menorah Journal of April 1915: "It is well known that I am a German sympathizer ... England has been contaminated by her alliance with Russia ... am quite convinced that in Germany anti-Semitism is a thing of the past.[64] The Jewish Encyclopedia for 1906 states that "Schiff's firm subscribed for and floated the large Japanese war loan in 1904-05" (for the Russo-Japanese war). "in recognition of which the Mikado conferred on Schiff the second order of the Sacred Treasure of Japan." Partners with Schiff were Felix M. Warburg and his brother Paul who had come to New York in 1902 from Hamburg, and organized the Federal Reserve System."

Behind the Balfour Declaration


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STAB IN THE BACK:

ORIGIN:

This term was employed first by Ludendorff,german army chief-of -staff in WWI and later an early backer of hitler.
The official birth of the term "stab-in-the-back" itself possibly can be dated to the autumn of 1919, when Ludendorff was dining with the head of the British Military Mission in Berlin, British general Sir Neil malcolm. Malcolm asked Ludendorff why it was that he thought Germany lost the war. Ludendorff replied with his list of excuses, including that the home front failed the army.

Malcolm asked him: "Do you mean, General, that you were stabbed in the back?" Ludendorff's eyes lit up and he leapt upon the phrase like a dog on a bone. "Stabbed in the back?" he repeated. "Yes, that's it, exactly, we were stabbed in the back".

Now the blame you shifted onto jews and communists for germany's loss.Let's see,how ludendorff shifts the blame of failure from the army to the civilian leadership to save their image.You say german army in 1918 was paralyzed by communist and jewish backstab shutting down industry and supplies-false.On march 21, 1918 the germans began their huge final offensive Operation michael with a mass of 72 attacking divisions designed to end the war.Both the kaiser and the general staff of ludendorff and hindenburg promised victory.So where was the 'paralysis'?
When this offensive failed after coming close to success,we see in hindenburg's diary-''The enemies strength was too great for us''.There is no mention of jewish -communist rebeliion.In may ludendorff reported back operation was indecisive.(till now we find no mention of any stab in the back anywhere)

The turning point of the war in favour of the Entente was 18 July 1918 when French and American forces successfully counterattacked the German forces at Villers-Cotterets. The attack consisted of 24 French and American divisions, 2000 guns, 500 tanks, and more then 1200 aircraft. Allied tanks led the offensive behind the cover of a creeping barrage.

The Germans were not prepared for an attack; especially an attack led by this number of tanks(germans themselves in ww1 totally neglected tanks-building just a few archaic A7V). The Allies punctured the German lines, and a general retreat was ordered within 48 hours of the Allied and American breakthrough. From July 18th onwards, the German army was in retreat.

General Fritz von Lossberg who was sent to inspect the condition and morale of the Seventh and Ninth German armies following the defeat of July 18th stated, "...July 18, 1918 was the precise turning point in the conduct of the war. The OHL's (High Command) failure to understand that the combat strength of the German army was already severely shattered in July 1918 [and] required systematic rebuilding."

At this point, the German army was incapable of an offensive campaign for several reasons. By July 1918, American troops were arriving in Europe at a rate of 120,000 a month and had begun to sway the balance of power in favour of the Allies. Morale was low among the German troops. During the July 18th battle, there were accounts of large groups of German soldiers surrendering to a single enemy soldier.

Martin Kitchen in his book entitled The Silent Dictatorship argued that after the military defeat of July 18th "an increasing number of officers in the OHL were convinced that the war could no longer be won." However, Ludendorff noted in his war memoirs that he believed the defeat on July 18 was only a temporary setback, "...regrettable, but far from irremediable."

BLACK DAY FOR THE GERMAN ARMY:

The High Command remained optimistic until 8 August 1918. On the morning of 8 August 1918 the Allied forces mounted a surprise attack on the German forces along a 20-mile front east of Amiens. The Allies went straight for the German forces and skipped their artillery bombardment, which would have pre-warned the German forces that an attack was coming.

Spearheading the attack were 360 heavy tanks and 96 whippet tanks that were invisible behind the fog and Allied smokescreen. The Allied forces were nearly successful at breaking through the German lines on 8 August 1918. The attack marked a devastating defeat for the German Army.

This near-breakthrough led the High Command to accept that the German army was no longer capable of conducting offensive military operations and that the army would be limited to defensive measures and evasions.

Historian Michel Geyer in his article Insurrectionary Warfare: The German Debate about a Levee en Masse in October 1918 stated that this was an overly wishful assessment of the situation and it was clear that the war had been lost for Germany as of 8 August 1918.

Ludendorff did not remain under the illusion that Germany would soon defeat the enemy for long. He described 8 August 1918 as "The black day of the German army," and stated "...success was easy for the enemy." General von Lossberg described the battle that occurred on 8 August 1918 as "The worst defeat that a [single] army had ever suffered in war."

For Ludendorff, the dream of obtaining huge pieces of France, Belgium, and Poland at an eventual peace conference held by Germany was gone. Ludendorff stated that "August 8 put the decline of fighting power beyond all doubt... I had no hope of finding a strategic expedient whereby to turn the situation to our advantage."(Still no mention of jewish communist conspiracy and paralysis)

Finally Ludendorff concluded that "Leadership now assumed...the character of an irresponsible game of chance, a thing I have always considered fatal. The fate of the German people was too high a stake. The war must be ended."

However, shortly after, Ludendorff showed a different attitude towards the defeat of August 8th to Chancellor Hertling. Previous statements made by Ludendorff indicated that Germany had all but lost the war. However, Ludendorff led Hertling to believe that Germany was still capable of winning the war. Ludendorff stated to Chancellor Hertling, "In the course of the war I have been compelled five times before to withdraw troops but only in the end to beat the enemy. Why should I not succeed in doing that a sixth time?"

On 13 August 1918, one day before the fateful Spa Conference, Ludendorff spoke confidentially to Foreign Secretary Hintze -
In this conversation, Hintze reported that Ludendorff "...admitted... that although he had told me in July he had been certain of breaking the enemy's fighting mettle and of compelling him to accept peace...he was no longer sure of it."
When Hintze asked Ludendorff what the further conduct of the war should be, Ludendorff replied "a strategic defensive could weaken the enemy and gradually bring him to our terms." This statement by Ludendorff was very optimistic considering the severe military defeat that Germany had just suffered and the condition of its army.

These statements reveal some obvious contradictions. Either Ludendorff believed that Germany was no longer capable of winning the war. but led the civilian authorities to believe that it was still possible to defeat the enemy.Or he himself was no longer sure of what was happening on the front.

HIGH COMMAND SHIFTS THE BLAME:

By early September, the enemy had recaptured all the territory that Germany had gained in the Spring Offensive. Through September the military situation continued to deteriorate. Germany was facing total defeat and it was doubtful that the army would be able to hold out for the eventual peace negotiations.
Over 20 divisions had been redeployed in order to reinforce other divisions and many battalions were at only fifty percent strength. Asprey argued, "It was doubtful whether 750,000 troops remained at the front." While the number of German troops declined, the Allies had 120,000 fresh American troops arriving monthly. The morale on the front was horrible and Germany was at the verge of collapse.On the night of September 25-26, the High Command was informed that Germany's ally, Bulgaria, wanted a separate peace. With Bulgaria out of the war there was an exposed flank in the southeast and the Danube River would be blocked. Combined with the prospect of Rumania re-entering the war, and the loss of the Rumanian oil fields proved too much for Ludendorff to handle. After hearing of Bulgaria's intention for a separate peace, Ludendorff stated to General Kuhl, "We can't stand up to all that; we can't fight the whole world."

On the night of September 28th, Hindenburg and Ludendorff both finally agreed that an armistice should be sought immediately. However, neither wanted to accept the blame for seeking an armistice.
A major conference occurred in Spa on 29 September 1918. Ludendorff, Hindenburg, Hintze, and Colonel Heye, Chief of the Operations Bureau were present at this conference. Ludendorff and Hindenburg made no effort to continue to disguise the situation or show any more hopeless optimism.

After describing the situation both Hindenburg and Ludendorff concluded that an immediate armistice was necessary. The High Command was in a desperate situation. It had promised the war weary country victory over the enemy just months before.Despite the dismal state of the German military, the German people believed that Germany would win the war due to the High Command's fraudulent optimism and propaganda.

On October 1st, after careful planning between Hintze, and the Kaiser, a new government formed. Ludendorff and Hindenburg supported this transfer of power to the civilian government. This is not because they desired to lose their power, but because according to Hindenburg and Ludendorff "...it seemed only just that the socialists... should be smeared with the blame for the immanent disaster."The High Command who had been operating separately from the civilian government was placed under the control of this new government.
The High Command and the socialists had never been on good terms, especially in the final months of war when the socialists undermined the army. However, nowhere does Ludendorff mention the failure of the High Command to secure the victory that it promised just months before. General Lossberg latter wrote, "...the real fault lay in his (Ludendorff) own defective general-ship."

Within hours of the formation of the new government, Ludendorff demanded that the new Chancellor, Prince Max, send the armistice offer immediately. However, Prince Max believed it would be best to wait until the government was fully formed before rushing into any peace offer.However, Ludendorff proved to be persuasive. Ludendorff called the office of Prince Max every hour on October 3rd warning the Chancellor that the fate of the German Army rested in Prince Max initiating negotiations with President Wilson.
Historians have been puzzled as to why Ludendorff was suddenly desperate for peace. The situation of the military was not significantly worse than when Ludendorff was expressing optimism about the military situation. However, since July, the High Command had been looking for a scapegoat for seeking an armistice with the enemy.

Ludendorff and Hindenburg had carefully guided the newly formed civilian government into this position. By transferring the High Command's power to the parliamentary government and Reichstag, it appeared that the decision for an armistice had been the new civilian government's intention.

Harry Rudin, in his book Armistice 1918 argued that the German civilian government made two grave errors. First, it let itself be "stampeded into the decision by Ludendorff and Hindenburg without questioning the judgment of the two Generals and without asking for any postponement of the decision in order to study the matter more thoroughly." Secondly, it let it appear that the "new government was responsible for the decision and not the High Command." As a result, the sole responsibility for this decision appeared to be the civilian government and not with the High Command where it belonged.

A major problem with the events following 29 September 1918 is that while the High Command demanded an armistice, it had still not admitted total defeat. Ludendorff had a primitive and optimistic idea of the armistice. He believed that when negotiations commenced with President Wilson, the German forces would retreat and regroup behind the German border.

If peace terms were not to Germany's liking, the German Army would be in a better position than before and would be capable of reopening war. This "...led to the suspicion among historians, but first articulated among the Allies, that the peace offer was a deceit from the start."

Ludendorff and Hindenburg were not prepared to accept responsibility for the terms When Ludendorff was asked about Wilson's second peace note, he replied "the enemy should win such terms by fighting for them."

Also, Ludendorff told the government that he believed that Germany was now capable of beating the enemy because he believed he could muster another 600,000 troops. In reply to President Wilson's second note, Hindenburg and Ludendorff released a general statement to the German troops stating the High Command took no responsibility for future negotiations with Wilson.

This was an outright violation of the new constitution, and put the civilian government in a difficult position because it appeared that the High Command no longer supported peace. However, Prince Max believed that Germany would never be in a better situation to negotiate an armistice, and continued negotiations without Ludendorff and Hindenburg's support. Due to this, it appeared that the civilian government had been the one seeking an armistice.

On I October Ludendorff told a group of senior officers: 'We shall now see these gentlemen enter various ministries. They can make the peace that has to be made. They can now eat the soup they have served up to us!'


On the jews and communists: U have given 3 names of jewish communist leaders as the proof for a global jewish conspiracy for german stab in the back without a single statement from any of these leaders in support of zionism or belief in judaism,u simply assumed.Lenin and marx were of jewish descent as well and have vocally denounced god and all religion.Here the quote of 'marx the jew' -apparently the brainchild of bolshevik jewish conspiracy -

"What is the secular basis of Judaism? Practical need and self-interest. What is the worldly religion of the Jew? Hucksterism. What is the worldly God? Money. An organization of society which would abolish the preconditions of huckstering, and therefore the possibility of huckstering, would make the Jew impossible. His religious consciousness would be dissipated like a thin haze in the real, vital air of society."


Now i have given the actual reasons and the construction of the myth above by ludendorff,but i'll give a few examples of the rubbish of the stab in the back.

German Jewish Soldiers - Memorial of Fallen Soldiers

Memorial by names of 12,000 jewish servicemen killed in german service,proportionate to total number of 550,000 in the german empire.

The President of the Reich Berlin, October 3, 1932
Dear Dr. Lowenstein!


I express my cordial thanks to the Reich Association of Jewish Combat Veterans for their good wishes on my 85th birthday as well as for the gift of flowers and the Commemorative Album. I accept the book in respectful memory of those comrades from your ranks fallen for the Fatherland and will make it a part of my war library.

With comradely greetings!
(signed) Von Hindenburg(Commander in chief german army ww1)

The Reich Association of Jewish Combat Veterans
Attn: Dr. Lowenstein, Captain of the Reserves, Retired
Kurfurstendamm 200
Berlin W 15


The noblest German blood is that which is shed by German soldiers for Germany. To these also belong the 12,000 killed in action from German Jewry, who thereby earnestly in their turn successfully passed the test of blood in the German sense of the word. To the extent that their names could still be identified, they are perpetuated in this book, which their comrades who came home again respectfully dedicate to their memory.

(signed) Dr. Leo Lowenstein
Captain of the Reserves
President of the RAJCV



Another example -
Fritz Haber - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Noble winning jewish german chemist who pioneered the production of poison gas for use by german troops compromising his reputation among the scientific community post-war.He defended himself by saying-
''In peace for humanity,in war fatherland'.He had to die in exile when hitler came in power.

As for the jewish lobby in america being pro-war,they are a group of independent people in a sovereign country and have every right to express their own opinion.They were not germans and can't stab germany in the back.But in any case it was not lobby but german resumption of unrestricted submarine warfare in the atlantic in 1917 (germany had halted this 1916 to stop usa entry-president wilson sent warning note to germany in 1915 after german submarines sunk civilian ships killing american citizens.But by 1917 british blockade was hurting german economy and they were getting desperate)that caused her entry into WW1.
Thus it is seen that stab in the back was a careful construction of the general staff to avoid taking the blame of defeat and passing it onto scapegoats.


Prove how jews stabbed germany in the back if so many died on teh battlefield.Even german commander in chief called them comrades-letter above.
How was germany paralysed by communists when it was launching the huge operation michael?
Above depicts exactly how ludendorff invented 'stab in the back'.
There is ZERO mention of any stab in the bank ,any communist paralysis or jewish bankers in any of ludendorff or hindendburg's diaries or commenst in 1918- total fabrication later to fool idiots like you with your inherent xenophobia.You dislike jews,fine-not my problem.Don't revision history based on that.
As for ur arab cheerleaders - try and actually be competent and grow a spine and stand up to israel on ur own rather than congratulating urselves on the sufferings of millions conducted half a century ago by a madman.Your attitude towards hitler's mass murdering schemes is pathetic.It is the attitude of a coward who is too inept to stand up to or resist his current enemy and takes pleasure in the deaths of millions of not only innocent civilians(mostly villagers)who happen to be the grandfathers of ur current enemy,conveniently forgetting the jews were only a part of hitler's atrocities.
 
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4). On The Soviet Threat To Eastern And Central Europe:

The Soviet Union, since its inception had made many attempts at invading and annexing new territories within Eastern and Central Europe either through Communist Revolutions involving subversive activities of its agents within those countries or when this method failed, through direct military intervention. Once the Soviet State was established, mass liquidations and deportations to slave labor camps of "class enemies" and intellectual adversaries commenced without delay. This pattern was repeated in every country falling under Soviet/Communist occupation:

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Polish Anti-Bolshevik/Communist Poster that reads "Smash Bolshevism"





Soviet Invasions Of Europe Prior To Hitler's rise To Power:


Soviet aggression into Europe before Hitler appeared on the political scene:

Soviet Invasion of Eastern Europe,1919-Wikipedia

Soviet Westward Offensive Toward Germany, 1919-Wikipedia

Soviet Invasion of Poland,1920-Wikipedia

Soviet support for Communist revolution within Germany post WW1:

Communist Revolution in Germany, 1918-1919-Wikipedia

Soviet actions against the local populace of the Baltic states and other countries they annexed between 1938-1941:

Forced Settlements in the Soviet Union-Wikipedia

Population Transfer in the Soviet Union-Wikipedia


Soviet Deportations from Estonia-Wikipedia

Soviet deportations from Estonia in 1940s - estonia.eu

Soviet Mass Deportations from Latvia

Soviet Russia's Persecution of Latvia, 1918-1991

Latvia 50 Years

Soviet deportations from Bessarabia and Northern Bukovina-Wikipedia

Soviet Liquidation of Polish Officers - Katyn Forest Massacre

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre

Soviet Deportations from Lithuania-Wikipedia




What Germany And The Rest Of Europe Feared:


"In his lengthy December 11, 1941, speech declaring war against the United States, Hitler described in detail the Soviet menace, which was being aided and abetted by Britain and the (still officially neutral) USA. In this historic Reichstag address, the German leader said: note 2

"Already in 1940 it became increasingly clear from month to month that the plans of the men in the Kremlin were aimed at the domination, and thus the destruction, of all of Europe. I have already told the nation of the build-up of Soviet Russian military power in the East during a period when Germany had only a few divisions in the provinces bordering Soviet Russia. Only a blind person could fail to see that a military build-up of unique world-historical dimensions was being carried out. And this was not in order to protect something that was being threatened, but rather only to attack that which seemed incapable of defense ...

"When I became aware of the possibility of a threat to the east of the Reich in 1940 through [secret] reports from the British House of Commons and by observations of Soviet Russian troop movements on our frontiers, I immediately ordered the formation of many new armored, motorized and infantry divisions ...

"We realized very clearly that under no circumstances could we allow the enemy the opportunity to strike first into our rear. Nevertheless, the decision in this case was a very difficult one ...

"A truly impressive amount of authentic material is now available that confirms that a Soviet Russian attack was intended. We are also sure about when this attack was to take place. In view of this danger, the extent of which we are perhaps only now truly aware, I can only thank the Lord God that He enlightened me in time, and has given me the strength to do what must be done. Millions of German soldiers may thank Him for their lives, and all of Europe for its existence.

"I may say this today: If the wave of more than 20,000 tanks, hundreds of divisions, tens of thousands of artillery pieces, along with more than 10,000 airplanes, had not been kept from being set into motion against the Reich, Europe would have been lost ..."

New Evidence on the 1941 'Barbarossa' Attack (Review)



The Reality Of Life Within The "Workers Paradise":


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Stalin's Jews- A Rare Look At The Most Ruthless Mass Murderers In History


Lazar Kaganovich, AKA 'The Butcher of Ukraine',
Stalin's Jewish Commissar and Brother in Law. Responsible
for enforcing forced collectivization of peasants crops leading to
mass starvation from artificial famine:


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Genrikh Yagoda, Stalin's Chief of NKVD from 1934-1936, also a Jew, played an
equally instrumental role in the artificial famines of the Ukraine resulting in
mass starvation and deaths of millions:

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Lavrenti Beria, Stalin's Right Hand Man and Jewish Commissar.
Was the head of the NKVD (soviet secret police) and ordered the execution of
25,000 Polish officers and intellingentsia in 1940 in what has come to be known as
the Katyn Forest Massacre:

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"The massacre was prompted by NKVD chief Lavrentiy Beria's proposal to execute all captive members of the Polish Officer Corps, dated 5 March 1940, approved by the Soviet Politburo, including its leader, Joseph Stalin. The number of victims is estimated at about 22,000.[1] The victims were murdered in the Katyn Forest in Russia, the Kalinin and Kharkiv prisons, and elsewhere. Of the total killed, about 8,000 were officers taken prisoner during the 1939 Soviet invasion of Poland, another 6,000 were police officers, and the rest were arrested Polish intelligentsia the Soviets deemed to be "intelligence agents, gendarmes, landowners, saboteurs, factory owners, lawyers, officials and priests".[1]

The government of Nazi Germany announced the discovery of mass graves in the Katyn Forest in 1943. When the London-based Polish government-in-exile asked for an investigation by the International Red Cross, Stalin immediately severed diplomatic relations with it. The Soviet Union claimed the victims had been murdered by the Nazis in 1941, and continued to deny responsibility for the massacres until 1990, when it officially acknowledged and condemned the perpetration of the killings by the NKVD, as well as the subsequent cover-up by the Soviet government.[1][2][3][a]

An investigation conducted by the Prosecutor General's Office of the Soviet Union (1990–1991) and the Russian Federation (1991–2004) confirmed Soviet responsibility for the massacres, but refused to classify this action as a war crime or an act of genocide. The investigation was closed on the grounds that the perpetrators of the massacre were already dead, and since the Russian government would not classify the dead as victims of Stalinist repression, formal posthumous rehabilitation was deemed inapplicable.[4]

In November 2010, the Russian State Duma approved a declaration blaming Stalin and other Soviet officials for having personally ordered the massacre.[5]"

Katyn massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Katyn Forest Massacre

Scenes From Recent Polish Film 'Katyn':


"Olga Shatunovskaya, a member of the Soviet Commission of Party Control, and head of a special commission during the 1960s appointed by premier Khrushchev, has similarly concluded: "From January 1, 1935 to June 22, 1941, 19,840,000 enemies of the people were arrested. Of these, seven million were shot in prison, and a majority of the others died in camp." These figures were also found in the papers of Politburo member Anastas Mikoyan.33

Robert Conquest, the distinguished specialist of Soviet history, recently summed up the grim record of Soviet "repression" of it own people:34

It is hard to avoid the conclusion that the post-1934 death toll was well over ten million. To this should be added the victims of the 1930-1933 famine, the kulak deportations, and other anti-peasant campaigns, amounting to another ten million plus. The total is thus in the range of what the Russians now refer to as 'The Twenty Million'."

A few other scholars have given significantly higher estimates.35"

The Jewish Role in the Bolshevik Revolution and Russia's Early Soviet Regime

June 22, 1941, was the date of Hitler's preemptive invasion of the soviet union, this should give one an idea of life under the Soviet "workers paradise".

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I have not uttered a word of praise for the soviet regime under stalin,so this whole point is moot.I said hitler was a genocidal maniac..this doesn't imply stalin was a white hat saint.Stalin was a mass murdering paranoid tyrant,no doubt and he killed more russians than anyone.(Kruschev denounced stalin's crimes in 1956 and began destalinization)

However i would like you to make an important distinction between the communist and nazi ideology -

The nazi ideology itself talks of exterminating races for no cause other than what they are.Its evil at its core,not just execution.
The communists ideology itself has noble goals-preaching equality and rights for all.However stalin and several other soviet leaders twisted it into a brutal cult of personality type regime committing crimes.(which north korea keeps doing to this day)Here the execution rather than the ideology itself is evil.

As for jews being puppetmasters of soviet union-LOL.
Stalin and antisemitism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

How stalin purged the soviet administration of jews gradually.The stalin regime was all stalin-anyone he suspected died.
And no Beria 'Stalin's himmler' was not jewish- he was georgian orthodox a sickening sadist and mass murderer who raped young girls picking them off the streets of moscow(skeletons found in garden).Zhukov apparently took great pleasure in arresting and having him shot after stalin's death.

Beria being jewish is another false misinformation spewed by you.Yagoda the other example was shot by stalin.
 
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STAB IN THE BACK:

ORIGIN:

This term was employed first by Ludendorff,german army chief-of -staff in WWI and later an early backer of hitler.
The official birth of the term "stab-in-the-back" itself possibly can be dated to the autumn of 1919, when Ludendorff was dining with the head of the British Military Mission in Berlin, British general Sir Neil malcolm. Malcolm asked Ludendorff why it was that he thought Germany lost the war. Ludendorff replied with his list of excuses, including that the home front failed the army.

Malcolm asked him: "Do you mean, General, that you were stabbed in the back?" Ludendorff's eyes lit up and he leapt upon the phrase like a dog on a bone. "Stabbed in the back?" he repeated. "Yes, that's it, exactly, we were stabbed in the back".

Now the blame you shifted onto jews and communists for germany's loss.Let's see,how ludendorff shifts the blame of failure from the army to the civilian leadership to save their image.You say german army in 1918 was paralyzed by communist and jewish backstab shutting down industry and supplies-false.On march 21, 1918 the germans began their huge final offensive Operation michael with a mass of 72 attacking divisions designed to end the war.Both the kaiser and the general staff of ludendorff and hindenburg promised victory.So where was the 'paralysis'?
When this offensive failed after coming close to success,we see in hindenburg's diary-''The enemies strength was too great for us''.There is no mention of jewish -communist rebeliion.In may ludendorff reported back operation was indecisive.(till now we find no mention of any stab in the back anywhere)

The turning point of the war in favour of the Entente was 18 July 1918 when French and American forces successfully counterattacked the German forces at Villers-Cotterets. The attack consisted of 24 French and American divisions, 2000 guns, 500 tanks, and more then 1200 aircraft. Allied tanks led the offensive behind the cover of a creeping barrage.

The Germans were not prepared for an attack; especially an attack led by this number of tanks(germans themselves in ww1 totally neglected tanks-building just a few archaic A7V). The Allies punctured the German lines, and a general retreat was ordered within 48 hours of the Allied and American breakthrough. From July 18th onwards, the German army was in retreat.

General Fritz von Lossberg who was sent to inspect the condition and morale of the Seventh and Ninth German armies following the defeat of July 18th stated, "...July 18, 1918 was the precise turning point in the conduct of the war. The OHL's (High Command) failure to understand that the combat strength of the German army was already severely shattered in July 1918 [and] required systematic rebuilding."

At this point, the German army was incapable of an offensive campaign for several reasons. By July 1918, American troops were arriving in Europe at a rate of 120,000 a month and had begun to sway the balance of power in favour of the Allies. Morale was low among the German troops. During the July 18th battle, there were accounts of large groups of German soldiers surrendering to a single enemy soldier.

Martin Kitchen in his book entitled The Silent Dictatorship argued that after the military defeat of July 18th "an increasing number of officers in the OHL were convinced that the war could no longer be won." However, Ludendorff noted in his war memoirs that he believed the defeat on July 18 was only a temporary setback, "...regrettable, but far from irremediable."

BLACK DAY FOR THE GERMAN ARMY:

The High Command remained optimistic until 8 August 1918. On the morning of 8 August 1918 the Allied forces mounted a surprise attack on the German forces along a 20-mile front east of Amiens. The Allies went straight for the German forces and skipped their artillery bombardment, which would have pre-warned the German forces that an attack was coming.

Spearheading the attack were 360 heavy tanks and 96 whippet tanks that were invisible behind the fog and Allied smokescreen. The Allied forces were nearly successful at breaking through the German lines on 8 August 1918. The attack marked a devastating defeat for the German Army.

This near-breakthrough led the High Command to accept that the German army was no longer capable of conducting offensive military operations and that the army would be limited to defensive measures and evasions.

Historian Michel Geyer in his article Insurrectionary Warfare: The German Debate about a Levee en Masse in October 1918 stated that this was an overly wishful assessment of the situation and it was clear that the war had been lost for Germany as of 8 August 1918.

Ludendorff did not remain under the illusion that Germany would soon defeat the enemy for long. He described 8 August 1918 as "The black day of the German army," and stated "...success was easy for the enemy." General von Lossberg described the battle that occurred on 8 August 1918 as "The worst defeat that a [single] army had ever suffered in war."

For Ludendorff, the dream of obtaining huge pieces of France, Belgium, and Poland at an eventual peace conference held by Germany was gone. Ludendorff stated that "August 8 put the decline of fighting power beyond all doubt... I had no hope of finding a strategic expedient whereby to turn the situation to our advantage."(Still no mention of jewish communist conspiracy and paralysis)

Finally Ludendorff concluded that "Leadership now assumed...the character of an irresponsible game of chance, a thing I have always considered fatal. The fate of the German people was too high a stake. The war must be ended."

However, shortly after, Ludendorff showed a different attitude towards the defeat of August 8th to Chancellor Hertling. Previous statements made by Ludendorff indicated that Germany had all but lost the war. However, Ludendorff led Hertling to believe that Germany was still capable of winning the war. Ludendorff stated to Chancellor Hertling, "In the course of the war I have been compelled five times before to withdraw troops but only in the end to beat the enemy. Why should I not succeed in doing that a sixth time?"

On 13 August 1918, one day before the fateful Spa Conference, Ludendorff spoke confidentially to Foreign Secretary Hintze -
In this conversation, Hintze reported that Ludendorff "...admitted... that although he had told me in July he had been certain of breaking the enemy's fighting mettle and of compelling him to accept peace...he was no longer sure of it."
When Hintze asked Ludendorff what the further conduct of the war should be, Ludendorff replied "a strategic defensive could weaken the enemy and gradually bring him to our terms." This statement by Ludendorff was very optimistic considering the severe military defeat that Germany had just suffered and the condition of its army.

These statements reveal some obvious contradictions. Either Ludendorff believed that Germany was no longer capable of winning the war. but led the civilian authorities to believe that it was still possible to defeat the enemy.Or he himself was no longer sure of what was happening on the front.

HIGH COMMAND SHIFTS THE BLAME:

By early September, the enemy had recaptured all the territory that Germany had gained in the Spring Offensive. Through September the military situation continued to deteriorate. Germany was facing total defeat and it was doubtful that the army would be able to hold out for the eventual peace negotiations.
Over 20 divisions had been redeployed in order to reinforce other divisions and many battalions were at only fifty percent strength. Asprey argued, "It was doubtful whether 750,000 troops remained at the front." While the number of German troops declined, the Allies had 120,000 fresh American troops arriving monthly. The morale on the front was horrible and Germany was at the verge of collapse.On the night of September 25-26, the High Command was informed that Germany's ally, Bulgaria, wanted a separate peace. With Bulgaria out of the war there was an exposed flank in the southeast and the Danube River would be blocked. Combined with the prospect of Rumania re-entering the war, and the loss of the Rumanian oil fields proved too much for Ludendorff to handle. After hearing of Bulgaria's intention for a separate peace, Ludendorff stated to General Kuhl, "We can't stand up to all that; we can't fight the whole world."

On the night of September 28th, Hindenburg and Ludendorff both finally agreed that an armistice should be sought immediately. However, neither wanted to accept the blame for seeking an armistice.
A major conference occurred in Spa on 29 September 1918. Ludendorff, Hindenburg, Hintze, and Colonel Heye, Chief of the Operations Bureau were present at this conference. Ludendorff and Hindenburg made no effort to continue to disguise the situation or show any more hopeless optimism.

After describing the situation both Hindenburg and Ludendorff concluded that an immediate armistice was necessary. The High Command was in a desperate situation. It had promised the war weary country victory over the enemy just months before.Despite the dismal state of the German military, the German people believed that Germany would win the war due to the High Command's fraudulent optimism and propaganda.

On October 1st, after careful planning between Hintze, and the Kaiser, a new government formed. Ludendorff and Hindenburg supported this transfer of power to the civilian government. This is not because they desired to lose their power, but because according to Hindenburg and Ludendorff "...it seemed only just that the socialists... should be smeared with the blame for the immanent disaster."The High Command who had been operating separately from the civilian government was placed under the control of this new government.
The High Command and the socialists had never been on good terms, especially in the final months of war when the socialists undermined the army. However, nowhere does Ludendorff mention the failure of the High Command to secure the victory that it promised just months before. General Lossberg latter wrote, "...the real fault lay in his (Ludendorff) own defective general-ship."

Within hours of the formation of the new government, Ludendorff demanded that the new Chancellor, Prince Max, send the armistice offer immediately. However, Prince Max believed it would be best to wait until the government was fully formed before rushing into any peace offer.However, Ludendorff proved to be persuasive. Ludendorff called the office of Prince Max every hour on October 3rd warning the Chancellor that the fate of the German Army rested in Prince Max initiating negotiations with President Wilson.
Historians have been puzzled as to why Ludendorff was suddenly desperate for peace. The situation of the military was not significantly worse than when Ludendorff was expressing optimism about the military situation. However, since July, the High Command had been looking for a scapegoat for seeking an armistice with the enemy.

Ludendorff and Hindenburg had carefully guided the newly formed civilian government into this position. By transferring the High Command's power to the parliamentary government and Reichstag, it appeared that the decision for an armistice had been the new civilian government's intention.

Harry Rudin, in his book Armistice 1918 argued that the German civilian government made two grave errors. First, it let itself be "stampeded into the decision by Ludendorff and Hindenburg without questioning the judgment of the two Generals and without asking for any postponement of the decision in order to study the matter more thoroughly." Secondly, it let it appear that the "new government was responsible for the decision and not the High Command." As a result, the sole responsibility for this decision appeared to be the civilian government and not with the High Command where it belonged.

A major problem with the events following 29 September 1918 is that while the High Command demanded an armistice, it had still not admitted total defeat. Ludendorff had a primitive and optimistic idea of the armistice. He believed that when negotiations commenced with President Wilson, the German forces would retreat and regroup behind the German border.

If peace terms were not to Germany's liking, the German Army would be in a better position than before and would be capable of reopening war. This "...led to the suspicion among historians, but first articulated among the Allies, that the peace offer was a deceit from the start."

Ludendorff and Hindenburg were not prepared to accept responsibility for the terms When Ludendorff was asked about Wilson's second peace note, he replied "the enemy should win such terms by fighting for them."

Also, Ludendorff told the government that he believed that Germany was now capable of beating the enemy because he believed he could muster another 600,000 troops. In reply to President Wilson's second note, Hindenburg and Ludendorff released a general statement to the German troops stating the High Command took no responsibility for future negotiations with Wilson.

This was an outright violation of the new constitution, and put the civilian government in a difficult position because it appeared that the High Command no longer supported peace. However, Prince Max believed that Germany would never be in a better situation to negotiate an armistice, and continued negotiations without Ludendorff and Hindenburg's support. Due to this, it appeared that the civilian government had been the one seeking an armistice.

On I October Ludendorff told a group of senior officers: 'We shall now see these gentlemen enter various ministries. They can make the peace that has to be made. They can now eat the soup they have served up to us!'


On the jews and communists: U have given 3 names of jewish communist leaders as the proof for a global jewish conspiracy for german stab in the back without a single statement from any of these leaders in support of zionism or belief in judaism,u simply assumed.Lenin and marx were of jewish descent as well and have vocally denounced god and all religion.Here the quote of 'marx the jew' -apparently the brainchild of bolshevik jewish conspiracy -

"What is the secular basis of Judaism? Practical need and self-interest. What is the worldly religion of the Jew? Hucksterism. What is the worldly God? Money. An organization of society which would abolish the preconditions of huckstering, and therefore the possibility of huckstering, would make the Jew impossible. His religious consciousness would be dissipated like a thin haze in the real, vital air of society."


Now i have given the actual reasons and the construction of the myth above by ludendorff,but i'll give a few examples of the rubbish of the stab in the back.

German Jewish Soldiers - Memorial of Fallen Soldiers

Memorial by names of 12,000 jewish servicemen killed in german service,proportionate to total number of 550,000 in the german empire.

The President of the Reich Berlin, October 3, 1932
Dear Dr. Lowenstein!


I express my cordial thanks to the Reich Association of Jewish Combat Veterans for their good wishes on my 85th birthday as well as for the gift of flowers and the Commemorative Album. I accept the book in respectful memory of those comrades from your ranks fallen for the Fatherland and will make it a part of my war library.

With comradely greetings!
(signed) Von Hindenburg(Commander in chief german army ww1)

The Reich Association of Jewish Combat Veterans
Attn: Dr. Lowenstein, Captain of the Reserves, Retired
Kurfurstendamm 200
Berlin W 15


The noblest German blood is that which is shed by German soldiers for Germany. To these also belong the 12,000 killed in action from German Jewry, who thereby earnestly in their turn successfully passed the test of blood in the German sense of the word. To the extent that their names could still be identified, they are perpetuated in this book, which their comrades who came home again respectfully dedicate to their memory.

(signed) Dr. Leo Lowenstein
Captain of the Reserves
President of the RAJCV



Another example -
Fritz Haber - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Noble winning jewish german chemist who pioneered the production of poison gas for use by german troops compromising his reputation among the scientific community post-war.He defended himself by saying-
''In peace for humanity,in war fatherland'.He had to die in exile when hitler came in power.

As for the jewish lobby in america being pro-war,they are a group of independent people in a sovereign country and have every right to express their own opinion.They were not germans and can't stab germany in the back.But in any case it was not lobby but german resumption of unrestricted submarine warfare in the atlantic in 1917 (germany had halted this 1916 to stop usa entry-president wilson sent warning note to germany in 1915 after german submarines sunk civilian ships killing american citizens.But by 1917 british blockade was hurting german economy and they were getting desperate)that caused her entry into WW1.
Thus it is seen that stab in the back was a careful construction of the general staff to avoid taking the blame of defeat and passing it onto scapegoats.

What i posted is documented facts buddy, go check my sources. German defeat was only possible with American involvement along with massive financial assistance which German Jewish Bankers helped to bring about in Britain's favor in exchange for Palestine.

You can pullout as many lists of this and that as you want, what matters is the few yet influential Jewish German Bankers who determined the outcome of the war.

Prove how jews stabbed germany in the back if so many died on teh battlefield.Even german commander in chief called them comrades-letter above.
How was germany paralysed by communists when it was launching the huge operation michael?
Above depicts exactly how ludendorff invented 'stab in the back'.
There is ZERO mention of any stab in the bank ,any communist paralysis or jewish bankers in any of ludendorff or hindendburg's diaries or commenst in 1918- total fabrication later to fool idiots like you with your inherent xenophobia.You dislike jews,fine-not my problem.Don't revision history based on that.
As for ur arab cheerleaders - try and actually be competent and grow a spine and stand up to israel on ur own rather than congratulating urselves on the sufferings of millions conducted half a century ago by a madman.Your attitude towards hitler's mass murdering schemes is pathetic.It is the attitude of a coward who is too inept to stand up to or resist his current enemy and takes pleasure in the deaths of millions of not only innocent civilians(mostly villagers)who happen to be the grandfathers of ur current enemy,conveniently forgetting the jews were only a part of hitler's atrocities.


Personal attacks aye?? Okay, if that's how it'll be than so be it. Do tell your friends here not to whine and complain when i call you a pseudo historian, which you are. LOL at you for complaining about Arab members, don't get angry at the other members here just because they choose not to believe in your one sided politically correct interpretation of history, which only complete idiots and pseudo historians like yourself posing as "think tanks" swallow so eagerly and then pretend to be know-it-alls.

PS, Mr pseudo historian, i never personally attacked Jews, i only posted historical facts.



And speaking of backstabbing:


"The United States rushed Patriot missiles to Israel during the Persian Gulf war to defend against incoming Iraqi Scuds. Now intelligence reports say Israel sold Patriot technology to China. If so, that would violate Israel's obligation not to transfer cutting-edge U.S. technology to others -- a dismaying act by a valued ally."

If Israel Sold Patriot Secrets . . . - New York Times



U.S. Furious With Israel After Sale of Advanced Military Technology to China | Jewish & Israel News Algemeiner.com


Jew Who Sold American Nuclear Secrets To Soviet Union Finally Dies At 92 - The Guardian
 
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The communists ideology itself has noble goals-preaching equality and rights for all.

Right, which is why wherever this "noble" ideology was implemented millions were executed, starved to death, and worked to death in labor camps, and all of this during times of peace. Indeed, very "noble".

Communism killed more people during peacetime than Nazism did during war time.

It seems Stalin was doing a far better job at exterminating the "subhuman" Slavs then Hitler ever did.

The nazi ideology itself talks of exterminating races for no cause other than what they are.Its evil at its core,not just execution.
Surely then Hitler must have been exterminating tens of millions of people between 1933 and 1939, like Lenin and Stalin.

Do you have proof of this??

However stalin and several other soviet leaders twisted it into a brutal cult of personality type regime committing crimes.
It wasn't only Stalin, don't forget to throw Lenin and Mao into the mix, along with the Khmer Rouge, the North Koreans, the Burmese, and the list is endless.

Mass killings under Communist regimes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Wherever Communism went and no matter how it was implemented, it wound up slaughtering millions of the very people it purported to empower.

As for jews being puppetmasters of soviet union-LOL.
Stalin and antisemitism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
This is laughable. So Stalin executed a few Jews and that somehow makes him a "anti-semite"?? "anti-Jewish"??

And this somehow excuses Jewish involvement within the mass murdering schemes under successive Soviet Regimes from Lenin to Stalin??

Anyhow,what the Polish ambassador to Washington stated before the outbreak of WW2 in Europe:

"Count Jerzy Potocki, the Polish Ambassador in Washington, in a report to the Polish Foreign Office in January 1939, is quoted approvingly by the highly respected British military historian Major-General JFC Fuller. Concerning public opinion in America he says "Above all, propaganda here is entirely in Jewish hands when bearing public ignorance in mind, their propaganda is so effective that people have no real knowledge of the true state of affairs in Europe. It is interesting to observe that in this carefully thought-out campaign no reference at all is made to Soviet Russia. If that country is mentioned, it is referred to in a friendly manner and people are given the impression that Soviet Russia is part of the democratic group of countries. Jewry was able not only to establish a dangerous centre in the New World for the dissemination of hatred and enmity, but it also succeeded in dividing the world into two warlike camps. President Roosevelt has been given the power.. to create huge reserves in armaments for a future war which the Jews are deliberately heading for." (Fuller, JFC: The Decisive Battles of the Western World vol 3 pp 372-374.)
 
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5). On The Issue of Soviet/German POW's In Captivity:


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"There are no Soviet prisoners of war, only traitors"- Joseph Stalin



By Yuri Teplyakov

At dawn on June 22, 1941, began the mightiest military offensive in history: the German-led Axis attack against the Soviet Union. During the first 18 months of the campaign, about three million Soviet soldiers were taken prisoner. By the end of the conflict four years later, more than five million Soviet troops are estimated to have fallen into German hands. Most of these unfortunate men died in German captivity.

A major reason for this was the unusual nature of the war on the eastern front, particularly during the first year -- June 1941-June 1942 -- when vastly greater numbers of prisoners fell into German hands than could possibly be accommodated adequately. However, and as Russian journalist Teplyakov explains in the following article, much of the blame for the terrible fate of the Soviet soldiers in German captivity was due to the inflexibly cruel policy of Soviet dictator Stalin.


During the war, the Germans made repeated attempts through neutral countries and the International Committee of the Red Cross to reach mutual agreement on the treatment of prisoners by Germany and the USSR. As British historian Robert Conquest explains in his book Stalin: Breaker of Nations, the Soviets adamantly refused to cooperate:

"When the Germans approached the Soviets, through Sweden, to negotiate observance of the provisions of the Geneva Convention on prisoners of war, Stalin refused. The Soviet soldiers in German hands were thus unprotected even in theory. Millions of them died in captivity, through malnutrition or maltreatment. If Stalin had adhered to the convention (to which the USSR had not been a party) would the Germans have behaved better? To judge by their treatment of other 'Slav submen' POWs (like the Poles, even surrendering after the [1944] Warsaw Rising), the answer seems to be yes. (Stalin's own behavior to [Polish] prisoners captured by the Red Army had already been demonstrated at Katyn and elsewhere [where they were shot]."

Another historian, Nikolai Tolstoy, affirms in The Secret Betrayal:

"Hitler himself urged Red Cross inspection of [German] camps [holding Soviet prisoners of war]. But an appeal to Stalin for prisoners' postal services received a reply that clinched the matter: 'There are no Soviet prisoners of war. The Soviet soldier fights on till death. If he chooses to become a prisoner, he is automatically excluded from the Russian community. We are not interested in a postal service only for Germans'."


Given this situation, the German leaders resolved to treat Soviet prisoners no better than the Soviet leaders were treating the German soldiers they held. As can be imagined, Soviet treatment of German prisoners was harsh. Of an estimated three million German soldiers who fell into Soviet hands, more than two million perished in captivity. Of the 91,000 German troops captured in the Battle of Stalingrad, fewer than 6,000 ever returned to Germany.


As Teplyakov also explains here, Red Army "liberation" of the surviving Soviet prisoners in German camps brought no end to the suffering of these hapless men. It wasn't until recently, when long-suppressed Soviet wartime records began to come to light and long-silenced voices could at last speak out, that the full story of Stalin's treatment of Soviet prisoners became known. It wasn't until 1989, for example, that Stalin's grim Order No. 270 of August 16, 1941 -- cited below -- was first published.

-- Mark Weber


There is more to this article which can be read here:

Stalin's War Against His Own Troops
 
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What i posted is documented facts buddy, go check my sources. German defeat was only possible with American involvement along with massive financial assistance which German Jewish Bankers helped to bring about in Britain's favor in exchange for Palestine.

You can pullout as many lists of this and that as you want, what matters is the few yet influential Jewish German Bankers who determined the outcome of the war.




Personal attacks aye?? Okay, if that's how it'll be than so be it. Do tell your friends here not to whine and complain when i call you a pseudo historian, which you are. LOL at you for complaining about Arab members, don't get angry at the other members here just because they choose not to believe in your one sided politically correct interpretation of history, which only complete idiots and pseudo historians like yourself posing as "think tanks" swallow so eagerly and then pretend to be know-it-alls.

PS, Mr pseudo historian, i never personally attacked Jews, i only posted historical facts.



And speaking of backstabbing:


"The United States rushed Patriot missiles to Israel during the Persian Gulf war to defend against incoming Iraqi Scuds. Now intelligence reports say Israel sold Patriot technology to China. If so, that would violate Israel's obligation not to transfer cutting-edge U.S. technology to others -- a dismaying act by a valued ally."

If Israel Sold Patriot Secrets . . . - New York Times



U.S. Furious With Israel After Sale of Advanced Military Technology to China | Jewish & Israel News Algemeiner.com


Jew Who Sold American Nuclear Secrets To Soviet Union Finally Dies At 92 - The Guardian

Again ur dragging israel into this..because ur hatred is incapable of seperating the 2.I don't care what israel does today as it is irrelevant to a historical debate.Get that through ur head clearly.
I'm not the pretend to know it all ,u are.
When the commander of the german army hindenburg congratulates jewish veterans as his comrades and then u come along and spout ur nonsense i know who to believe.
Germany lost not only because of american involvement but because of other factors-british blockade causing starvation and scarcity of rares.Collapse of her eastern flank with austria finished ,bulgaria ready to surrender.Most importantly the allies had now a breakthrough weapon in tanks which they were producing in thousands -germans totally neglected armor and had built less than 100 or so A7V tanks.Finally-they had lost command of the air-dominate dby french and british.The allies could clearly see all german artillery positions and towards the end aircraft were being used to strafe targets as well.
With its strategic position hopeless due to collapse of its allies and blockade,and tactical situation outgunned by tanks and manpower exhausted it was game over.

Nowhere do we see in ludendorff's diaries or comments anything about a jewish conspiracy or communist paralysis in 1918-infact he was confidently predicting victory in march.
 
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Right, which is why wherever this "noble" ideology was implemented millions were executed, starved to death, and worked to death in labor camps, and all of this during times of peace. Indeed, very "noble".

Communism killed more people during peacetime than Nazism did during war time.

It seems Stalin was doing a far better job at exterminating the "subhuman" Slavs then Hitler ever did.


Surely then Hitler must have been exterminating tens of millions of people between 1933 and 1939, like Lenin and Stalin.

Do you have proof of this??


It wasn't only Stalin, don't forget to throw Lenin and Mao into the mix, along with the Khmer Rouge, the North Koreans, the Burmese, and the list is endless.

Mass killings under Communist regimes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Wherever Communism went and no matter how it was implemented, it wound up slaughtering millions of the very people it purported to empower.


This is laughable. So Stalin executed a few Jews and that somehow makes him a "anti-semite"?? "anti-Jewish"??

And this somehow excuses Jewish involvement within the mass murdering schemes under successive Soviet Regimes from Lenin to Stalin??

Anyhow,what the Polish ambassador to Washington stated before the outbreak of WW2 in Europe:

"Count Jerzy Potocki, the Polish Ambassador in Washington, in a report to the Polish Foreign Office in January 1939, is quoted approvingly by the highly respected British military historian Major-General JFC Fuller. Concerning public opinion in America he says "Above all, propaganda here is entirely in Jewish hands when bearing public ignorance in mind, their propaganda is so effective that people have no real knowledge of the true state of affairs in Europe. It is interesting to observe that in this carefully thought-out campaign no reference at all is made to Soviet Russia. If that country is mentioned, it is referred to in a friendly manner and people are given the impression that Soviet Russia is part of the democratic group of countries. Jewry was able not only to establish a dangerous centre in the New World for the dissemination of hatred and enmity, but it also succeeded in dividing the world into two warlike camps. President Roosevelt has been given the power.. to create huge reserves in armaments for a future war which the Jews are deliberately heading for." (Fuller, JFC: The Decisive Battles of the Western World vol 3 pp 372-374.)

Again u are talking to me as if i ever defended the stalin regime,all of this is true stalin did kill millions.I condemned hitler,never praised stalin-so ur punching entirely in thin air by trying to divert the topic.If u want to highlight stalin's crimes start a topic-and u won't find any complaint from me.

Stalin's killings or not based on any race-he simply killed whoever he viewed as a threat or disliked.
Meanwhile drone on -jew.jew,jew,jew.jew.It makes not a slightest diference -the whole world knows the truth about hitler.A few apologists like u will always be there.You boys are too weak and inept to stop israel today and gain gratification in the murder of millions committed on an entirely different group of people by a madman.I would advice you to go to palestine with a AK and go fight the hated 'jew' to shed some of this rage that u have built up inside.Infact ur seeing jews everywhere.
Britain was controlled by jews.
Soviet union was controlled by jews.
America was controlled by jews.
Even germany was controlled by jews until noble hitler came along.
Listen to urself.
 
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5). On The Issue of Soviet/German POW's In Captivity:


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"There are no Soviet prisoners of war, only traitors"- Joseph Stalin



By Yuri Teplyakov

At dawn on June 22, 1941, began the mightiest military offensive in history: the German-led Axis attack against the Soviet Union. During the first 18 months of the campaign, about three million Soviet soldiers were taken prisoner. By the end of the conflict four years later, more than five million Soviet troops are estimated to have fallen into German hands. Most of these unfortunate men died in German captivity.

A major reason for this was the unusual nature of the war on the eastern front, particularly during the first year -- June 1941-June 1942 -- when vastly greater numbers of prisoners fell into German hands than could possibly be accommodated adequately. However, and as Russian journalist Teplyakov explains in the following article, much of the blame for the terrible fate of the Soviet soldiers in German captivity was due to the inflexibly cruel policy of Soviet dictator Stalin.


During the war, the Germans made repeated attempts through neutral countries and the International Committee of the Red Cross to reach mutual agreement on the treatment of prisoners by Germany and the USSR. As British historian Robert Conquest explains in his book Stalin: Breaker of Nations, the Soviets adamantly refused to cooperate:

"When the Germans approached the Soviets, through Sweden, to negotiate observance of the provisions of the Geneva Convention on prisoners of war, Stalin refused. The Soviet soldiers in German hands were thus unprotected even in theory. Millions of them died in captivity, through malnutrition or maltreatment. If Stalin had adhered to the convention (to which the USSR had not been a party) would the Germans have behaved better? To judge by their treatment of other 'Slav submen' POWs (like the Poles, even surrendering after the [1944] Warsaw Rising), the answer seems to be yes. (Stalin's own behavior to [Polish] prisoners captured by the Red Army had already been demonstrated at Katyn and elsewhere [where they were shot]."

Another historian, Nikolai Tolstoy, affirms in The Secret Betrayal:

"Hitler himself urged Red Cross inspection of [German] camps [holding Soviet prisoners of war]. But an appeal to Stalin for prisoners' postal services received a reply that clinched the matter: 'There are no Soviet prisoners of war. The Soviet soldier fights on till death. If he chooses to become a prisoner, he is automatically excluded from the Russian community. We are not interested in a postal service only for Germans'."


Given this situation, the German leaders resolved to treat Soviet prisoners no better than the Soviet leaders were treating the German soldiers they held. As can be imagined, Soviet treatment of German prisoners was harsh. Of an estimated three million German soldiers who fell into Soviet hands, more than two million perished in captivity. Of the 91,000 German troops captured in the Battle of Stalingrad, fewer than 6,000 ever returned to Germany.


As Teplyakov also explains here, Red Army "liberation" of the surviving Soviet prisoners in German camps brought no end to the suffering of these hapless men. It wasn't until recently, when long-suppressed Soviet wartime records began to come to light and long-silenced voices could at last speak out, that the full story of Stalin's treatment of Soviet prisoners became known. It wasn't until 1989, for example, that Stalin's grim Order No. 270 of August 16, 1941 -- cited below -- was first published.

-- Mark Weber


There is more to this article which can be read here:

Stalin's War Against His Own Troops

Really?The noble nazis wanted to treat the POWs well,but bad bad stalin stopped them?
Sure stalin was brutal towards his own troops,but u think u can really use that as an excuse for german policies?Do i really need to quote hitler and himmler on the nature of warfare to be waged in russia and how to deal with the people?Did russia exterminate the people of east germany during the 50 yrs following ww2?Infact just a few years after the war they gave the proposal to unite germany provided it would be neutral and all forces withdraw.If that had been nazis there would be no germans left after 50 yrs in ex-east germany.
 
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Really?The noble nazis wanted to treat the POWs well,but bad bad stalin stopped them?
Sure stalin was brutal towards his own troops,but u think u can really use that as an excuse for german policies?Do i really need to quote hitler and himmler on the nature of warfare to be waged in russia and how to deal with the people?Did russia exterminate the people of east germany during the 50 yrs following ww2?Infact just a few years after the war they gave the proposal to unite germany provided it would be neutral and all forces withdraw.If that had been nazis there would be no germans left after 50 yrs in ex-east germany.
Actions speak louder than words:

Polish Slavic POW's in German Custody:

Newly Discovered Photos Reveal Life Of Comfort Within Polish POW Camp- Spiegel


Black American POW's under German custody:

USAF_Lt_Col._Alexander_Jefferson_at_the_Imperial_War_Museum.jpg

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He was one of 32 Tuskegee Airmen who were POWs; only five are still alive.

"I was treated as an officer and a gentleman. I didn't have any interaction with the Germans because that was the role of the highest ranking POW in the camp."

Colonel Jefferson said he was never beaten while a captive."


Tuskegee Airman recalls time as POW > U.S. Air Force > Display


Wow, could your politically correct version of history explain why the evil Nazis treated a subhuman, dark skinned African American like a gentlemen??

Of course, you will again come up with another nonsensical excuse.
 
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Again u are talking to me as if i ever defended the stalin regime,all of this is true stalin did kill millions.I condemned hitler,never praised stalin-so ur punching entirely in thin air by trying to divert the topic.If u want to highlight stalin's crimes start a topic-and u won't find any complaint from me.

Stalin's killings or not based on any race-he simply killed whoever he viewed as a threat or disliked.
Meanwhile drone on -jew.jew,jew,jew.jew.It makes not a slightest diference -the whole world knows the truth about hitler.A few apologists like u will always be there.You boys are too weak and inept to stop israel today and gain gratification in the murder of millions committed on an entirely different group of people by a madman.I would advice you to go to palestine with a AK and go fight the hated 'jew' to shed some of this rage that u have built up inside.Infact ur seeing jews everywhere.
Britain was controlled by jews.
Soviet union was controlled by jews.
America was controlled by jews.
Even germany was controlled by jews until noble hitler came along.
Listen to urself.
I never said you defended Stalin.

You did however call Communism a "ideology with noble goals". This "noble" ideology murdered millions wherever it was implemented, whether by Stalin or someone else.

Clearly i gave examples of other Communist regimes.
 
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Actions speak louder than words:

Polish Slavic POW's in German Custody:

Newly Discovered Photos Reveal Life Of Comfort Within Polish POW Camp- Spiegel


Black American POW's under German custody:


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He was one of 32 Tuskegee Airmen who were POWs; only five are still alive.

"I was treated as an officer and a gentleman. I didn't have any interaction with the Germans because that was the role of the highest ranking POW in the camp."

Colonel Jefferson said he was never beaten while a captive."


Tuskegee Airman recalls time as POW > U.S. Air Force > Display


Wow, could your politically correct version of history explain why the evil Nazis treated a subhuman, dark skinned African American like a gentlemen??

Of course, you will again come up with another nonsensical excuse.

Germans had different styles of dealing with western(french,british and maerican) and eastern POWS.Kietel for example refused to treat french POWs in the soviet manner.
On to the polsih POW luxury,i'm coming to that lol.I don't have time right now for detailed post,but will be posting tonight or tomorrow to clear that up -along with wehrmacht foreign recruitment,life in conc camps.
 
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