Defence Line - Army's Battle With Arjun Tank

[Water Car Engineer]

Recent discussion about the Arjun tank.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

I was recently comming from my home back to Delhi when i met an old friend of mine and was surprised to know that he has joined the Armoured Corps and is the commander of a T-72.Of the things i tried to get out of him regarding Arjun he said that it is a huge tank with a great accuracy and is an excellent effort as a first tank for the country.He also said that the armour is very good and said that there are some issues but not as big as the media makes out them to be.He said it is not exactly better than a T90 but he wont mind going on it in a battfield aganst anyone..anytime.

 

[IndoUS]

I was recently comming from my home back to Delhi when i met an old friend of mine and was surprised to know that he has joined the Armoured Corps and is the commander of a T-72.Of the things i tried to get out of him regarding Arjun he said that it is a huge tank with a great accuracy and is an excellent effort as a first tank for the country.He also said that the armour is very good and said that there are some issues but not as big as the media makes out them to be.He said it is not exactly better than a T90 but he would like to go on it in a battfield aganst anyone..anytime.

Mate if you get the chance could you ask your friend if the army is getting its older Arjun upgrade to the MK2 version or will they remain the same?

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Mate if you get the chance could you ask your friend if the army is getting its older Arjun upgrade to the MK2 version or will they remain the same?

I will surely ask him buddy.

 

[GR!FF!N]

I was recently comming from my home back to Delhi when i met an old friend of mine and was surprised to know that he has joined the Armoured Corps and is the commander of a T-72.Of the things i tried to get out of him regarding Arjun he said that it is a huge tank with a great accuracy and is an excellent effort as a first tank for the country.He also said that the armour is very good and said that there are some issues but not as big as the media makes out them to be.He said it is not exactly better than a T90 but he wont mind going on it in a battfield aganst anyone..anytime.

you should ask more technical details about Arjun.like technical issues that plagued induction of Arjun or about Army's criteria about MK II..i'm dying to get a pic of MK II..

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

you should ask more technical details about Arjun.like technical issues that plagued induction of Arjun or about Army's criteria about MK II..i'm dying to get a pic of MK II..

I am glad he shared a few details with me.Its really hard to get info out of these guys specially on cell phones and FB.I think i will have to wait till i meet him again.Technical problems which he shared were issue with over heating etc.Theres another thing that the guys who operate these machines dont exactly know whats going on with the DRDO like for example if you ask an Infantryman about F-INSAS..he wont have a clue and same goes for these guys..They only know about stuff they have.

My guess would be that Arjun MKII changes will be brought to the older tanks as there are some issues which are still present but mind you they are not that big an issue.I never considered Arjun a great tank until i met him..It is a really capable tank which is Crew friendly..a few modifications and it will be a world class tank.

 

[SamantK]

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[SamantK]

These guys have re-affirmed my belief that Arjun is a wonderful tank but then lacks the reliability due to the low numbers it will be inducted in.. mobility is an issue since as mentioned in the videos only the National Highways can handle the weight of Arjun.

Where as the IA is looking out for FMBT with the weight of 40-50 tons but then again, if the logistics are sorted out properly then no reason we cannot go for a heavier tank...

 

[SamantK]

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[Sergi]

Mate if you get the chance could you ask your friend if the army is getting its older Arjun upgrade to the MK2 version or will they remain the same?

At the Last. Army is supposed to add 250+ Mark 2s. After completion of those orders all Mark-1 will be converted to Mark-2 standards. Mean while more improvements in Mark-2 will tested and will be undated along the production if not Mark-3.

 

[SamantK]

Here, another assessment which raises the same point, good read

 

[Sergi]

you should ask more technical details about Arjun.like technical issues that plagued induction of Arjun or about Army's criteria about MK II..i'm dying to get a pic of MK II..

Army issues: they want more power from engin and changed transmission from Mark-1. And the accessories like mine plough. All major army requirements are meet in Mark-2 upgrade. Army want the reduced weight and some internal changes in turret. Last I heard was use of composites inside to replace internal protection plates. So let's hope weight reduction might be achieved to some percentage.
Army's major concerns where transpiration and slower speed of Arjun Mark-1 in one type of sand. I think hey too will be gone with Mark-2

Problem isn't with Arjun. It's the thinking. Some preffer Russian tanks as they have worked on them for longer period and have more faith in them. And may be some lobbing from Russians.

I was recently comming from my home back to Delhi when i met an old friend of mine and was surprised to know that he has joined the Armoured Corps and is the commander of a T-72.Of the things i tried to get out of him regarding Arjun he said that it is a huge tank with a great accuracy and is an excellent effort as a first tank for the country.He also said that the armour is very good and said that there are some issues but not as big as the media makes out them to be.He said it is not exactly better than a T90 but he wont mind going on it in a battfield aganst anyone..anytime.

Ask him about "Tank-X". All public information on this project has vanished. I heard the project isn't disbanded but it's silently under progress. I would loved to see that cross breed

 

[angeldemon_007]

I really don't agree with alot of assessment in the video.
1. Its wrong to say there's no support for Arjun MBT. DRDO has developed all the support slowly and slowly like transportation through road, rail, BLT, ARV, mine clearing version etc. If you are gonna order only 124 tanks, what do you expect. You want everything and at the same time you don't wanna purchase the MBT.

2. The issue spares is a big thing in Russian MBTs too, so i don't think its right to blame DRDO when Russians are also doing the same. Also how can you expect to resolve the spares issue when you are not ordering any MBT. First place the order and then the servicing infrastructure will be developed. But IA wants DRDO to develop everything first and then what will happen to DRDO, if IA still finds out something and decides not to place any more orders ? CVRDE will go bankrupt.

3. Arjun was also intensely tested in Punjab plains so its wrong to say its not meant for that area especially when tanks like Merkava can operate in a place like Israel, noteble point is Merkava 4 is almost 7 tons more heavier than arjun.
Even if IA decides not to field any Arjun in Punjab plains, everybody still agreed that Arjun is better option for desert. Considering more than 50% of Indian armored regiment operate in desert area, i would say IA should atleast place an order of more than 500 Arjun mk2.

4. If weight is an issue, then let me just tell you that even T90 won't be helpful in hilly areas. So just like arjun can't be used everywhere, so is t90.

5. Lastly we should stop calling T90 as Main Battle Tank. Its a joke. We are lucky that PA is not using Abrams, if they would have purchased Abrams instead of T80, we would be inducting Leopard instead f--king T90 becuase lets be serious now, IA armored core would be peeing themselves if their favorite tank faces an actual main battle tank.

6. Its f--king idiotic to wait for FMBT when except 600+ t90 and 248 arjun are the only tanks that are battle ready in the IA armored core which once had close to 4000 tanks. Even if FMBT gets ready by 2020, it would take close 2 decades to replace all those t72s which can hardly be used till 2020. Its clear that then IA will place an emergency order for t90 which Russians will charge extra and which IA top brass won't mind since they will be getting their cut and who cares about national security. IA has 750 T55 which should be immediately replaced by Arjun mk2.

In short, to keep up i think IA should slowly and slowly start replacing t72 and t55 by t90 and Arjun mk2 because if they will wait for FMBT, the gap will widen too much. IA is doing exercises with so many countries, i think its time for them to field t72, t90 and arjun against US Abrams, British Challenger 2, Singapore's Leopard 2, Israel Merkava and French Leclerc.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

^^^T 72 are being replaced by T90 atleast in my friend's unit in the next 2 years.You are absolutely right that they are not battle ready and this was also told to me by him.Apart from this 3 more Armoured regtts are being raised that will have T90 and T90 is a very capable tank..i wont like to compare it with the Arjun but both are good in their class and the IA has a good advantage with them if a tank battle was to take place..Night fighting issues besides other things have either been sorted out or will be sorted out in the near future.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

^^^T 72 are being replaced by T90 atleast in my friend's unit in the next 2 years.You are absolutely right that they are not battle ready and this was also told to me by him.Apart from this 3 more Armoured regtts are being raised that will have T90 and T90 is a very capable tank..i wont like to compare it with the Arjun but both are good in their class and the IA has a good advantage with them if a tank battle was to take place..Night fighting issues besides other things have either been sorted out or will be sorted out in the near future.

I forgot to add that among the 3 Armoured regtt to be raised 1 will be for Leh Ladakh and/or Sikkim if i remember correctly.