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I can't believe it!

In fact, the larger article made my head swim. Is Pakistan the new India? Have we lost it, or is the SS-BJP-RSS going to self-destruct?

There are crazy, bigoted people in abundance on both sides. Except, that last year and the executions has taught a lesson somewhat to the idiots in Pakistan, that the population is freaking tired of your bullshyt. Do you really think Pakistanis enjoy terrorism and bombings? Nope. the Nation is sick and tired of it. Along comes the heavy 'danda' of the army and specific raids, and country seems better (relatively)........and most fools believe it is the PML-N government that is doing it, so Nawaz Shariff gets to enjoy the free gains.

On the other hand, BJP in power and not coming out against intolerance in India, has sent a wrong message to RSS/Shiv Sena that they continue to do what they want as their daddy is in power. Modi is one man who can fix it in a whim, but the later it happens, it only confirms the notion that perhaps, PM Modi, is not exactly what 'Secular 21st century democratic' India needed.

In Pakistan's largest and chaotic city, Karachi, businessmen are happy. they are at peace. that can only be a good sign.

On the other hand, in India, they hacked a 4th guy to death suspected of 'stealing a cow' like wtf.........screw logic.
 
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So dramatic. Neither have we lost it, nor is the BJP going to self destruct, no matter how much you wished for it.

So pathetic.

It was the SS/BJP/RSS combine that I thought was going to self-destruct. Why did you edit my original? Can't you get away from your chicanery for even a moment?

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The basic difference between India and Pakistan is that India turning intolerant mirrors a western democracy with it's strong institution and personnel freedom turning intolerant while Pakistan turning intolerant mirrors a middle eastern autocracy with it's weak foundation and limited religious freedom turning intolerant. So even if India is intolerant while Pakistan being peaceful doesn't mean Pakistan is anywhere near India in terns of equality and citizen rights as both countries follow different set of standards. And that's what many people fail to release while making this unnecessary comparison between both countries. So let's not compare as there is not nothing to compare.

Dutch comfort.

So India turning intolerant is more bearable to some - nut-jobs, I think was the phrase used - because there is a possibility that our neighbours being peaceful may not be quiet as peaceful. Our turning intolerant by itself has to be seen in the mirror of someone else's possibility of not being as at peace as they think they are.

Wow.

Talk about drawing all our cues from what happens to other people.

Oh, just for the record.

'Not nothing' is what they call a double-negative. You do know what that does to the sense of your sentence? Or were you in too white-heat of a passion to notice these?
 
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So pathetic.

It was the SS/BJP/RSS combine that I thought was going to self-destruct. Why did you edit my original? Can't you get away from your chicanery for even a moment?


How does it matter if I omitted SS and RSS? As we all know BJP is the political front of RSS, for BJP to self destruct RSS would need to go, and SS is too small a political party to even matter on the national scale.

So my point remains, no we are not the new Pakistan, and neither is the BJP-RSS-SS(happy now?) going to self destruct, no matter how much the doomsday pundit in you wished for it.

But as per usual you picked on a totally irrelevant point when I called you out.

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How does it matter if I omitted SS and RSS? As we all know BJP is the political front of RSS, for BJP to self destruct RSS would need to go, and SS is too small a political party to even matter on the national scale.

So my point remains, no we are not the new Pakistan, and neither is the BJP-RSS-SS(happy now?) going to self destruct, no matter how much the doomsday pundit in you wished for it.

But as per usual you picked on a totally irrelevant point when I called you out.

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There are two types of lies, suppressio veri and suggestio falsi. You can judge for yourself how you may classify yourself.

Whether we are or are not the new Pakistan will ultimately depend on whether the ordinary people of India buy the hate campaigns of the organisations, all three of them, and their associates, including the VHP, or not. Not according to a point made by a self-confessed minion of the rabid right. Nor is your own prediction of the future of the three wholly without bias, for the same reason. It is nice to read in print from you something that we have pointed to with discomfort for ages, that the BJP has nothing to say and does nothing that is not dictated by the RSS, whose political front it is. We may now officially take into account the addle-pated nonsense of the RSS as officially belonging to the BJP at one remove. We progress.

I consider you and your pack irrelevant when we discuss secularism or any government based on the rule of law. So that should do nicely to balance your judgements,

And as for your impertinence in tagging my name to your little moans of pain in some obscure thread, and expecting to hear from me, I suggest you put that thought where the monkey put the nuts.
 
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Appreciably there does seem to be a good tag team game going on, and the sharifs combined do have a number of things under control. Even the diplomatic front seems to be doing ok. A few would be inclined to thank Modi's emergence as a threat that worked as as blessing in waking up pakistan. ..but it has more to do with Democracy getting two terms in a row and other internal and external factors coming into play.


But then knowing Pakistan....it doesn't take much for everything to come crumbling down. Even the camaraderie mentioned is on weak blocks, because the basic structure of pakistan is weak. It's a uncomfortable truce and if one or the other sees an opening..he will try to capitalise on it.

Joe and others comparing it to India is ridiculous.Pakistan is too dependent on external factors...what happens in China, saudi Arabia, Afghanistan and America directly impacts on Pakistan. Then there's the other factor of Islam..on which pakistan was made...where is Islam and the Islamists in all this camaraderie?. It might very well come back to claim it's centerstage in the drama and claim it's Pakistan back.

There are too many extreme players inside Pakistan...The multiple jihadist groups, the Islamists, the Arab lovers, the minority killers, the salafists, AQ, IS, TALIBAN, the various lashkars. .The govt opposition. .The army coup masters...The establishment...The multiple separatists. ...The old sharks..zardari, MQM..and of course the all powerful "RAW" with the CIA, Mossad and NDS combine for it to be a fairytale.

NS already planning for the next elections is a good sign...This is how democracy works. .and could be good tidings for pakistan..but Pakistan wouldn't be pakistan if it wasn't for its instability. Let's see what happens.
 
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There are two types of lies, suppressio veri and suggestio falsi. You can judge for yourself how you may classify yourself.

Whether we are or are not the new Pakistan will ultimately depend on whether the ordinary people of India buy the hate campaigns of the organisations, all three of them, and their associates, including the VHP, or not. Not according to a point made by a self-confessed minion of the rabid right. Nor is your own prediction of the future of the three wholly without bias, for the same reason. It is nice to read in print from you something that we have pointed to with discomfort for ages, that the BJP has nothing to say and does nothing that is not dictated by the RSS, whose political front it is. We may now officially take into account the addle-pated nonsense of the RSS as officially belonging to the BJP at one remove. We progress.

I consider you and your pack irrelevant when we discuss secularism or any government based on the rule of law. So that should do nicely to balance your judgements,

And as for your impertinence in tagging my name to your little moans of pain in some obscure thread, and expecting to hear from me, I suggest you put that thought where the monkey put the nuts.

Very classy. And please save your jargon for your lectures, this isn't LAW101.

Its funny how you call me a minion and "me and my pack" irrelevant, yet want to quote my "BJP being a RSS political front" statement as an official acknowledgement !

We all know who and whose ilk is becoming increasingly irrelevant, and the concerted theatrics that we are seeing today is just for that, to stay relevant.

The only reason that I tagged you in that "obscure thread" was because I didn't want to derail this one. You won't answer my questions obviously, cause you were caught with your pants down, and I exposed your hypocrisy for everyone to see, in all its stark naked glory.
 
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Very classy. And please save your jargon for your lectures, this isn't LAW101.

Its funny how you call me a minion and "me and my pack" irrelevant, yet want to quote my "BJP being a RSS political front" statement as an official acknowledgement !

We all know who and whose ilk is becoming increasingly irrelevant, and the concerted theatrics that we are seeing today is just for that, to stay relevant.

The only reason that I tagged you in that obscure thread was because I didn't want to derail this one. You won't answer my questions obviously, cause you were caught with your pants down, and I exposed your hypocrisy for everyone to see, in all its stark naked glory.

I note your appreciation of the glories on display.

If only you had taken LAW101; you might have been a better person, a better citizen and a member of a better political camp.

The reason for considering you and your pack, not "me and my pack", irrelevant has to do with national politics. Since you are obviously not equipped to make the distinction yourself, it needs to be pointed out to you that you and your pack, not "me and my pack", become relevant in the limited, narrow sense of a criminal's confession.

I am sure that you wish to deny the increasing swell of opinion pointing to a broad disenchantment with the divisive and hate-based politics which you have taken to yourself. Just look around and judge for yourself. Not in PDF alone, damning though it is; look around yourself in the rest of the world as well. Outside your rabid pack, bonding all the more closely in bewilderment and rage against an unexpected, unanticipated denial by a broad sweep of people of your treasured prejudices and half-wittery, whom do you have? Once the electorate understands that none of the economic success that it had voted for, none of the elimination of the evils of corrupt government of the past have been eradicated, your bubble will burst.
 
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So true.

And the media are horrifying. No wonder my daughter wanted out - immediately.

Emigration sounds more and more a good idea. Even at my age.

I've really got a bad feeling.

Hahaha Indians abroad are more right wing than the Indians back home. May be that is the solution to convert communist Joe to Right wing Joe..:lol:
 
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Day of the Sharifs

Wajahat S. Khan Islamabad, Wednesday, October 28, 2015

Pakistani PM Nawaz Sharif (left) and Army Chief Raheel Sharif in Islamabad
A story of semi-dubious lineage has been doing the rounds in Islamabad in the past few months. It has Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif and his younger brother and heir apparent, Punjab Chief Minister Shahbaz Sharif, meeting army chief General Raheel Sharif and Lt General Rizwan Akhtar, director general Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) at the PM House. No aides are present. The PM rings the cordless electronic bell several times to call for tea, but nothing happens. Shahbaz, storms into the ante-room and is faced by a section of knee-padded, maroon-bereted Special Service Group personnel slinging Colt Commando carbines. Here, Shahbaz is politely advised by a young officer that nobody will be allowed inside till the meeting is over.

This is when the business of the state begins, as one of the brass clears the air and announces the purpose of this unannounced demonstration: that it takes less time than a tea break for a military takeover of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

@Hyperion. @Irfan Baloch. @vsdoc. @Oscar. @Slav Defence @Akheilos @Web Master. @Manticore

The writer of this Disney animation is: Wajahat S. Khan. :yes4: :yes4: :yes4: :pleasantry: :rofl: :wave: :yahoo: :angel: :nana: :omghaha: :lol: :angel: :tup:

This is the billion IK and Tareen paid to the media before Lahore's elections at work. There will be a lot more stories (or fantasies), like this coming out soon. A billion ruppee has a LOT of power, and the dude's a known PTI supporter who had a HUGE role in the sit-in setup and "recruitment of people"!! Enough said.

By the way, does anyone know when this Disney animation will be launched in "theaters near you"???? :dance3: :haha:

Btw, now to correct the imbalance in writers mind, like his leader has it too.....NS and RS are actually running one of the MOST successful Civil-Military partnerships that exist. About 5 of the Corps commanders don't like it so those 5 will spread drama through their ranks. Both, NS and RS are NOT going anywhere, guaranteed!!

Can someone now please tell me why RS is in Saudi and PAF's Chief is in the UK / Europe?? It's a continuation of discussions that NS had started on strategic matters!!! Phew, talk about story tellers using Disney like creativity to cook up fantasies, Love it!!!! So much talent to lie about anything.

IK got a shut up call from the military so he's noq silent, but using paid media through that billion to create a rift between the Civlians and the Military!! VERY shameful and anti-Pakistan to be honest!!
 
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I note your appreciation of the glories on display.

If only you had taken LAW101; you might have been a better person, a better citizen and a member of a better political camp.

The reason for considering you and your pack, not "me and my pack", irrelevant has to do with national politics. Since you are obviously not equipped to make the distinction yourself, it needs to be pointed out to you that you and your pack, not "me and my pack", become relevant in the limited, narrow sense of a criminal's confession.

I am sure that you wish to deny the increasing swell of opinion pointing to a broad disenchantment with the divisive and hate-based politics which you have taken to yourself. Just look around and judge for yourself. Not in PDF alone, damning though it is; look around yourself in the rest of the world as well. Outside your rabid pack, bonding all the more closely in bewilderment and rage against an unexpected, unanticipated denial by a broad sweep of people of your treasured prejudices and half-wittery, whom do you have? Once the electorate understands that none of the economic success that it had voted for, none of the elimination of the evils of corrupt government of the past have been eradicated, your bubble will burst.

Here we go again, get off that pompous, sanctimonious, high horse of yours will you?Better person, better citizen better political camp? See this is exactly what I mean, this superiority complex of leftist elite. What makes the left leaning ideology the better of the two? Just like the leftist thinks that his is the right way, so does the right winger.

I couldn't care less about what you think of me, you are a nobody to judge me and give me your approval. I am relevant, and people like me are relevant, otherwise Modi wouldn't have come to power with such a thumping majority. The vote of right wing minion is equal to the vote of a leftist drone.

Yes, I can see plenty of hullabaloo by the leftist elites, on the electronic and social media, all politically motivated, aligned with the timing of the Bihar elections. Manufactured dissent as Arun Jaitley said, nothing on the ground though, absolutely nothing. The electorate has given Modi the mandate for 5 years. His economic report card will be judged at the end of the tenure by the people! Not by you, not by some leftist elite clique.

Every economic data suggests that the country is headed in the right direction, so why this fear mongering, why this paranoia and why this atmosphere of despair? Can you lots see the future? Is that what you are telling me? Is that what you doomsday pundits want the people to believe? And why should they believe and listen to you and your ilk, after what your kind has done to this country in the last 6 decades? Just because you use some archaic words, speak fancy English and throw in irrelevant jargon in common parlance, you want people to accept that you are intellectually superior and therefore everyone should heed your advise and forewarning? Sorry to tell you, but those days are gone. People of India are not that ignorant anymore, learn to live with that fact and make peace with it. Cause very soon you guy will be running out of your medals and awards that were given to you by your Congressi overlords.

P.S: I did take a law course as an elective during my undergrads, seemed pointless and boring. Lawyers are one of the least trusted and least ethical people in the world (no offence to any lawyers here), atleast thats what the surveys suggest anyways, so I ll just hire one if I ever needed someone to do my dirty laundry.
 
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Hahaha Indians abroad are more right wing than the Indians back home. May be that is the solution to convert communist Joe to Right wing Joe..:lol:

You really know how to curdle my blood. Since when, dear idiot, have I been communist Joe? The other status is equally impossible, no need to dignify it with a reply.
 
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I note your appreciation of the glories on display.

If only you had taken LAW101; you might have been a better person, a better citizen and a member of a better political camp.

The reason for considering you and your pack, not "me and my pack", irrelevant has to do with national politics. Since you are obviously not equipped to make the distinction yourself, it needs to be pointed out to you that you and your pack, not "me and my pack", become relevant in the limited, narrow sense of a criminal's confession.

I am sure that you wish to deny the increasing swell of opinion pointing to a broad disenchantment with the divisive and hate-based politics which you have taken to yourself. Just look around and judge for yourself. Not in PDF alone, damning though it is; look around yourself in the rest of the world as well. Outside your rabid pack, bonding all the more closely in bewilderment and rage against an unexpected, unanticipated denial by a broad sweep of people of your treasured prejudices and half-wittery, whom do you have? Once the electorate understands that none of the economic success that it had voted for, none of the elimination of the evils of corrupt government of the past have been eradicated, your bubble will burst.


Ha ha..I guess it's time for you to hang up your boots and let the younger generations take over..The days of socialism and dynastic politics are over hopefully.

The old guard made up of left wingers, socialists, nehruvians, intellectuals and pseudo intellectuals bracing themselves to fight the "hatred spewing, rabid, evil, dim witted, divisive, lying" new guard of right wingers - need to cool a tad bit down.

The younger generation knows what they are doing - I would describe it as they reclaiming their country from the crisis it was heading towards -

I am sure you imagine this extreme right wing Hindu group as some sort of equivalent to the Muslims.

Hindus as such are secular in nature and this "secular block" ends up pleading to this vast majority of the same Hindus to bring back "secularism" and defeat the forces of communalism..ironical...haha.

It would be useful to note that most countries have started voting nationalist parties into their government for a reason..
 
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Here we go again, get off that pompous, sanctimonious, high horse of yours will you?Better person, better citizen better political camp? See this is exactly what I mean, this superiority complex of leftist elite. What makes the left leaning ideology the better of the two? Just like the leftist thinks that his is the right way, so does the right winger.

Apparently there is something that is being said to you that sticks; it is difficult to believe that this anguished, wounded response was not due to a sensitive spot being disturbed.

I couldn't care less about what you think of me, you are a nobody to judge me and give me your approval.

Isn't it funny that you spend so much time and effort in refuting that about which you couldn't care less?

I am relevant, and people like me are relevant, otherwise Modi wouldn't have come to power with such a thumping majority. The vote of right wing minion is equal to the vote of a leftist drone.

Very true, the vote of a minion is equal to the vote of a drone. Modi's coming to power had nothing to do with your relevance, but with the relevance of the smoke-screen he had created, and which succeeded radically due to the failure of a corrupt and gangrened predecessor.

Yes, I can see plenty of hullabaloo by the leftist elites, on the electronic and social media, all politically motivated, aligned with the timing of the Bihar elections. Manufactured dissent as Arun Jaitley said, nothing on the ground though, absolutely nothing. The electorate has given Modi the mandate for 5 years. His economic report card will be judged at the end of the tenure by the people! Not by you, not by some leftist elite clique.

Isn't that obvious? And how is that inconsistent with morally outraged sections of society pointing out the nature and extent of the outrages? Is that not how the electorate will view performance, in terms of abject failure to achieve any other than a bigoted agenda, in terms of the inability to do anything on the economic front?

Every economic data suggests that the country is headed in the right direction, so why this fear mongering, why this paranoia and why this atmosphere of despair? Can you lots see the future? Is that what you are telling me? Is that what you doomsday pundits want the people to believe? And why should they believe and listen to you and your ilk, after what your kind has done to this country in the last 6 decades?

If you are quite so confident as you claim to be, you wouldn't be jumping up and down in a fever of indignation. You would be serene and confident. As you cannot pretend either indifference or that you have not understood that your golden boy is really heading towards the rocks, you are now again in the job of attacking everything that smacks of dissent.

P.S: I did take a law course as an elective during my undergrads, seemed pointless and boring. Lawyers are one of the least trusted and least ethical people in the world (no offence to any lawyers here), atleast thats what the surveys suggest anyways, so I ll just hire one if I ever need someone to do my dirty laundry.

I note, as in other striking statements of yours, that you prefer dirty laundry to professional guidance. You might as well make that the motto for your verbal diarrhoea.

Ha ha..I guess it's time for you to hang up your boots and let the younger generations take over..The days of socialism and dynastic politics are over hopefully.

The old guard made up of left wingers, socialists, nehruvians, intellectuals and pseudo intellectuals bracing themselves to fight the "hatred spewing, rabid, evil, dim witted, divisive, lying" new guard of right wingers - need to cool a tad bit down.

The younger generation knows what they are doing - I would describe it as they reclaiming their country from the crisis it was heading towards -

I am sure you imagine this extreme right wing Hindu group as some sort of equivalent to the Muslims.

Hindus as such are secular in nature and this "secular block" ends up pleading to this vast majority of the same Hindus to bring back "secularism" and defeat the forces of communalism..ironical...haha.

It would be useful to note that most countries have started voting nationalist parties into their government for a reason..

There are tides in political opinion. The troubled times in Europe brought on an upsurge of fascist administrations. They were thrown out in due course. Your analysis is self-seeking and tendentious; it has nothing to do with the common people, and I see with some amusement your urgent appeal to various segments to do various things.


They remain a poisonous minority wherever they are.
 
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