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Gripen in MMRCA race

DH News Service, Bangalore:

Aiming positively to bag the prestigious MMRCA medium multi role combat aircraft (MMRCA) contract, Swedish aircraft major Gripen International, manufacturers of the Gripen IN exude confidence that the aircraft is in a strong position in bagging the contract to supply 126 combat aircraft to the Indian Air Force (IAF).

Speaking to Deccan Herald here at the Aero India 2009, Eddy de la Motte, Director (India) of SAAB the parent company of Gripen International said the 'Gripen NG/IN' is the most technologically advanced fighter aircraft in the world. "It is tailor-made and specifically developed for India. It is the first of a new generation of multi-role combat aircraft to enter service. It is also the only single engine aircraft equipped with super cruise systems. Unlike other aircraft in its class, the Gripen IN can be fitted with a weapon of choice, i e from any manufacturer other than that of the aircraft.

A truly net centric fighter, it is equipped with 'See First - Kill First' a combination of low radar, infra red search and track sensors, that ensure a high kill ration in any armed engagement" said Motte.


Gripen also says the aircraft is of outstanding agility for close combat and also suit's India's budget requirements. "Gripen's programme for the IAF, Indian Defence and Industrial Establishment will make India by 2020 completely independent of the need to purchase combat aircraft from other countries and make it an independent exporter of aircraft like Sweden" added Motte.

 

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The Hindu : Karnataka / Bangalore News : Eurofighter woos India for its Typhoon

Eurofighter woos India for its Typhoon



Staff Reporter







BANGALORE: Eurofighter Consortium, the leading fighter aircraft manufacturer in Europe, on Thursday made a strong bid to woo India for the sale of Eurofighter Typhoon, its latest fighter jet, saying it was prepared to partner with India for the project.

“By partnership, we mean proven partnership and not lip service. It means ownership and transfer of technology (to India) from the very first minute of signing the agreement,” said Aloysius Rauen, chief executive of Eurofighter GmbH told presspersons here.

Later, answering a question, he said Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd. (HAL) would be its partner if its bid for procurement of 126 fighter jets for the Indian Air Force was accepted. Also, Eurofighter Typhoon companies are confident to fulfil the 50 per cent offset obligation of the Request for Proposal and will offer India access to an international sourcing network of unparalleled scope.

Mr. Rauen said that Eurofighter was the only consortium in the world having firm orders for 707 fighter jets. The jets had flown over 57,000 hours, including 50,000 hours by air forces of partner countries. While 167 Typhoons had so far been produced, the production line would be open at least till 2020, he said.

Bernhard Gerwert, CEO, Military Air System, European Aeronautical Development Society’s Defence and Security wing, said Eurofighter was backed by Germany, Italy, Spain, United Kingdom and Astria. Chiefs of Air Staff of four countries, except Austria, were present on the occasion, who vouched for the superiority of the Typhoon.

Mr. Gerwert said: “A competitive Eurofighter Typhoon bid proposal and a comprehensive offset offer were submitted to the Indian authorities in (August) 2008 (in response to bids for medium multi role combat aircraft (MMRCA) programme.”

“We have a strong interest to create a long-lasting strategic partnership with Indian aerospace and defence companies and we are committed to bring our capabilities, skills and technologies into this win-win-partnership,” Mr. Gerwert said.

“India is our partner of choice, and therefore we invite it to join the Eurofighter Typhoon programme as a partner. We are ready to listen and to learn from our Indian customers and industrial partners,” he noted.

Klaus-Peter Stieglitz, Chief of Staff, German Air Force, said the Typhoons with his force had flown over 10,000 without an accident. On the other hand, his United Kingdom counterpart Glen Tropy said Typhoons with the Royal Air Force had flown over 25,000 hours. However, both of them said the fighter jets were deployed neither in Iraq nor in Afghanistan for strategic reasons.

 

[VENO]

EURO FIGHTER, SUPER HORNET are very expensive. India will not be able to buy 126 of these for $10.2 billion. Amongst these two Euro Fighter is good (considering all the goodies the company is offering). If we consider the the need for MRCA project (a hunt for frontline strike aircraft) then I think GRIPEN AND F-16IN are best suited for IAF needs. Amongst these two GRIPEN will be a better choice bcos Pakistan already operates F-16 and their pilots are very well trained in its handling. They will have a strategic advantage over IAF.

Gripen is cost effective, following are the words of Eddy de la Motte - director of Gripen International in India, which makes GRIPEN an ideal aircraft for India-

1) Gripen meets or exceeds every operational requirement raised by the IAF in all roles — air-to-air fighter, [beyond visual range/within visual range], air-to-surface land and sea, and reconnaissance
2) The LCA program could benefit immensely from this array of technology, which Saab is happy to transfer
3) Wide range of state-of-the-art weapons can be sourced from manufacturers worldwide, giving the Indian Air Force freedom of choice by avoiding sole source supply constraints.
4) GRIPEN IN is a medium-weight multi-role fighter aircraft with a maximum takeoff weight 16.5 ton. The company says it is on schedule for delivery ahead of the other aircraft in contention for the MMRCA program.
5) The complete Gripen IN solution includes an AESA airborne radar and a nose-mounted IRST sensor, as well as a wide range of precision-guided munitions.

I don't know much about MIG 35. Rafale looks more promising when compared with MIG 35.

 

[satishkumarcsc]

EURO FIGHTER, SUPER HORNET are very expensive. India will not be able to buy 126 of these for $10.2 billion. Amongst these two Euro Fighter is good (considering all the goodies the company is offering). If we consider the the need for MRCA project (a hunt for frontline strike aircraft) then I think GRIPEN AND F-16IN are best suited for IAF needs. Amongst these two GRIPEN will be a better choice bcos Pakistan already operates F-16 and their pilots are very well trained in its handling. They will have a strategic advantage over IAF.

Gripen is cost effective, following are the words of Eddy de la Motte - director of Gripen International in India, which makes GRIPEN an ideal aircraft for India-

1) Gripen meets or exceeds every operational requirement raised by the IAF in all roles — air-to-air fighter, [beyond visual range/within visual range], air-to-surface land and sea, and reconnaissance
2) The LCA program could benefit immensely from this array of technology, which Saab is happy to transfer
3) Wide range of state-of-the-art weapons can be sourced from manufacturers worldwide, giving the Indian Air Force freedom of choice by avoiding sole source supply constraints.
4) GRIPEN IN is a medium-weight multi-role fighter aircraft with a maximum takeoff weight 16.5 ton. The company says it is on schedule for delivery ahead of the other aircraft in contention for the MMRCA program.
5) The complete Gripen IN solution includes an AESA airborne radar and a nose-mounted IRST sensor, as well as a wide range of precision-guided munitions.

I don't know much about MIG 35. Rafale looks more promising when compared with MIG 35.

If the Aircrafts are expensive the companies would have known they cant sell it. In the first place they wouldnt have been here.

 

[VENO]

If the Aircrafts are expensive the companies would have known they cant sell it. In the first place they wouldnt have been here.

Is that so? Can U please explain how will Euro Fighter deal will go through (including the future maintainence, spares, setting up the infrastructure needed to support it etc)?MIG 35 is plug n play (India already has the infrastructure for MIG). GRIPPEN in low cost and the infrastructure cost can be compensated. TEJAS is compatible, to some extent, with GRIPEN. GRIPEN technology can be used for TEJAS.

U might wanna look into why EURO FIGHTER competing for MRCA. UK is pushing EF in MRCA bcos it is not able to purchase the contracted nos of EURO FIGHTER

 

[zombie:-)]

Is that so? Can U please explain how will Euro Fighter deal will go through (including the future maintainence, spares, setting up the infrastructure needed to support it etc)?MIG 35 is plug n play (India already has the infrastructure for MIG). GRIPPEN in low cost and the infrastructure cost can be compensated. TEJAS is compatible, to some extent, with GRIPEN. GRIPEN technology can be used for TEJAS.

U might wanna look into why EURO FIGHTER competing for MRCA. UK is pushing EF in MRCA bcos it is not able to purchase the contracted nos of EURO FIGHTER

guys whatever you say of the typhoons cost but seeing it with thrust vectoring in Indian colours will be sending shivers to the opposition
and guys IAF MIGHT NOT GO FOR THE MOST ADVANCED PLATFORM IT ILL GO FOR SOMETHING WHICH SUITS IT AND FITS THE BILL TOO

 

[nitesh]

 

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EADS Proposes Strategic Partnership with Indian Defence Industry



On behalf of the Eurofighter consortium, EADS proposed to establish a long-term strategic partnership with Indian aerospace and defence companies. Speaking at a press conference during Aero India 2009, Bernhard Gerwert, CEO of Military Air Systems, an integrated Business Unit of EADS Defence & Security, said in Bangalore: "We have a strong interest to create a long-lasting strategic partnership with Indian aerospace and defence companies and we are committed to bring our capabilities, skills and technologies into this win-win-partnership."

The CEO said: "India is our partner of choice and therefore we invite India to join the Eurofighter Typhoon programme as a partner. We are ready to listen and to learn from our Indian customers and industrial partners."

A competitive Eurofighter Typhoon bid proposal and a comprehensive offset offer were submitted to the Indian authorities in 2008. Since then, 25 Memoranda of Understandings (MoUs) were already signed to enhance the industrial cooperation with India's aerospace and defence industry. The Eurofighter Typhoon partner companies are confident to fulfill the 50 percent offset obligation of the Request for Proposal (RFP) and will offer India access to an international sourcing network of unparalleled scope.

The production of the Eurofighter Typhoon will create thousands of new jobs in India. The leading-edge combat aircraft has a tremendous built-in growth potential and therefore the Eurofighter partner companies are able to offer India new opportunities for future cooperation in design, development and manufacturing. Gerwert said: "We are ready to provide our operational, support, engineering and development capabilities to the Indian aerospace and defence sector which is growing fast and we want to grow together with this dynamic development."

EADS which has the lead of the Eurofighter Typhoon campaign in India, is currently preparing its participation in the flight trials of the Medium Multi Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) competition. The flight trials are expected in 2009 after a short-listing of the bidders and intensive preparations have been launched to meet this important milestone.

Gerwert stated: "We are very grateful that the German Air Force deployed three Eurofighter Typhoon to Bangalore. It is the very first time that Eurofighter Typhoon flies in the Indian air space and therefore they will be a major highlight at Aero India 2009." The ongoing campaign is fully supported by the four European nations Germany, United Kingdom, Spain and Italy, their four Air Forces and Europe's leading aerospace companies Alenia/Finmeccanica, BAE Systems and EADS.

The CEO of Eurofighter GmbH, Aloysius Rauen, stated that Eurofighter Typhoon is currently the most modern combat aircraft available on the world market. Rauen said: "Eurofighter Typhoon is clearly in the pole position with an order book of more than 700 aircraft for six nations." In addition to the four core nations Germany, the United Kingdom, Spain and Italy, Austria and Saudi Arabia are the first two export customers.

“It is expected that there will be more customers and orders in the forthcoming years because several nations already expressed their strong interest in the Eurofighter Typhoon. Amongst them are Switzerland, Greece, Turkey, Japan, Bulgaria, Romania and Croatia. The economic significance of the Eurofighter Typhoon programme is based on an order backlog of more than 19 bn EUR with annual revenues of about 3.5 bn EUR. More than 400 companies and over 100,000 jobs are currently involved in the European programme.”

Military Air Systems is an integrated Business Unit of EADS Defence & Security (DS). DS is a systems solutions provider for armed forces and civil security worldwide. Its portfolio ranges from sensors and secure networks through missiles to aircraft and UAVs as well as global security, service and support solutions. In 2007, DS – with around 22,000 employees – achieved revenues of EUR 5.5 billion. EADS is a global leader in aerospace, defence and related services. In 2007, EADS generated revenues of EUR 39.1 billion and employs a workforce of about 116,000.

http://www.****************/news/pu...hip_with_Indian_Defence_Industry100017137.php

 

[VENO]

guys whatever you say of the typhoons cost but seeing it with thrust vectoring in Indian colours will be sending shivers to the opposition
and guys IAF MIGHT NOT GO FOR THE MOST ADVANCED PLATFORM IT ILL GO FOR SOMETHING WHICH SUITS IT AND FITS THE BILL TOO

Touché

 

[heartwinlion]

can anybody tellme about the price tag of EF

 

[sancho]

can anybody tellme about the price tag of EF

The price of Saudis EF was nearly $100 Mil a unit with weapons, training and simulators I think. For us it might be cheaper because we want nearly double as much units and they offers a full partnership, but still it would be the most expensive one.
My opinon, even a partnership with EADS would be a huge benefit for us for future, EF is far to expensive. FGDA is expected in 10 years, is more advanced and could cost the same as EF, or lesser. Also don't forget that we have MKI as our main fighter now, so where is the need for an other fighter which fills the same role?

 

[heartwinlion]

The price of Saudis EF was nearly $100 Mil a unit with weapons, training and simulators I think. For us it might be cheaper because we want nearly double as much units and they offers a full partnership, but still it would be the most expensive one.
My opinon, even a partnership with EADS would be a huge benefit for us for future, EF is far to expensive. FGDA is expected in 10 years, is more advanced and could cost the same as EF, or lesser. Also don't forget that we have MKI as our main fighter now, so where is the need for an other fighter which fills the same role?

I think you are right coze our main front line fighter is Su-30mki which is much cheaper then EF and more advance and i think price defer ratio is 2:1.In the same price may be we got F-35 which is more advance and true multirole 5 generations fighter then EF.

 

[heartwinlion]

why not India include su-35 in the mmrca deal because it has the same medium-heavy class like EF and F-18 and much cheaper.

 

[Contrarian]

Barring the MiG 35(my opinion). I think one quote sums it up perfectly:

Credit to someone at BRF:

The whole M-MRCA competition is like a choice between Toyota Camry or Honda Accord. whatever you choose, you cant go wrong!

 

[heartwinlion]

Barring the MiG 35(my opinion). I think one quote sums it up perfectly:

Credit to someone at BRF:

The whole M-MRCA competition is like a choice between Toyota Camry or Honda Accord. whatever you choose, you cant go wrong!

How can u say that MMRCA has spacific role in IAF from my opinion you can add su-35 and select it.