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[jha]

but it's been rumoured for a while that the four companies that were eliminated three months ago from the Indian MMRCA fighter competition (including Saab), have been "asked" to stick around in the country.

Best part...Gripen or, F/A-18 ...Good aircraft at affordable price...

 

[DarK-LorD]

This mega thread can closed by the end of this year.Then we will have EFt or Rafale news & discussions.

 

[tvsram1992]

Best part...Gripen or, F/A-18 ...Good aircraft at affordable price...

Mig35,Mig Skat,F-16IN,Tejas Mk2,Mig1.44 and Su35 are more easily affordable.

 

[SpArK]

Mig35,Mig Skat,F-16IN,Tejas Mk2,Mig1.44 and Su35 are more easily affordable.

Less Capable.
Non existent
Similar option available.

 

[tvsram1992]

Less Capable.
Non existent
Similar option available.

When Mig29's of our AF are capable, and even Jf-17 is capable , Why not Mig35?
Mig Skat exists and LCA Mk2 is confirmed,There are plans to develop LWF based on Mig1.44.
Su35 comes with better features. There is no need to explain you how rcs makes a difference b/w mki and Su35.

 

[Abingdonboy]

When Mig29's of our AF are capable, and even Jf-17 is capable , Why not Mig35?
Mig Skat exists and LCA Mk2 is confirmed,There are plans to develop LWF based on Mig1.44.
Su35 comes with better features. There is no need to explain you how rcs makes a difference b/w mki and Su35.

Listen, the IAF is a throughly professional and competent organisation who knows what they want. Now that finances are not such an issue they can get the best and most compatible tom their needs. Now if the IAF has down selected the MIG 35, F-16IN, Gripen And F-18IN then that is their prerogative and I trust they have done so for the correct reasons.

And there is no bloody point in IAF operating SU-35 AND MKI. The IAF has thrown its hat in with the MKI and has committed SIGNIFICANT finances and resources to this platform and its success in the IAF. the MKI fits in with the IAF's doctrine (twin seat) and has significant scope for UPGs which the IAF is pushing for aggressively ("SUPER" UPG).

 

[sancho]

When Mig29's of our AF are capable, and even Jf-17 is capable , Why not Mig35?
Mig Skat exists and LCA Mk2 is confirmed,There are plans to develop LWF based on Mig1.44.
Su35 comes with better features. There is no need to explain you how rcs makes a difference b/w mki and Su35.

Spark is right, because you have to compare it the the shortlisted fighters and the aims of MMRCA. Neither Mig 29/35, nor JF 17 are comparable, Mig Skat is totally different and is only a tech demo so far, LCA MK2 is a long shot, especially with the latest news of more delays in the radar development...and except of the single seat config, there is nothing on the Su 35, that the MKI couldn't have.
The point is, this is not just a 1 on 1 fighter replacement, but a chance to get more technical, industrial and political advantages and especially the Russian fighters are the wrong choice here, because we already have the best what they can offer with MKI and FGFA. The US fighters were rejected mainly because the lack of ToT and restrictions that they pose on export customers, while Rafale and EF offers exactly the opposite and were prefered. That's why we don't pay lets say $100 million for a fighter only, but for the fighter + tot + source codes + high offsets + co-developments, or partnerships + no restrictions +...
A cheaper unit cost alone doesn't mean that we get the most in return for our money!

 

[tvsram1992]

Spark is right, because you have to compare it the the shortlisted fighters and the aims of MMRCA. Neither Mig 29/35, nor JF 17 are comparable, Mig Skat is totally different and is only a tech demo so far, LCA MK2 is a long shot, especially with the latest news of more delays in the radar development...and except of the single seat config, there is nothing on the Su 35, that the MKI couldn't have.
The point is, this is not just a 1 on 1 fighter replacement, but a chance to get more technical, industrial and political advantages and especially the Russian fighters are the wrong choice here, because we already have the best what they can offer with MKI and FGFA. The US fighters were rejected mainly because the lack of ToT and restrictions that they pose on export customers, while Rafale and EF offers exactly the opposite and were prefered. That's why we don't pay lets say $100 million for a fighter only, but for the fighter + tot + source codes + high offsets + co-developments, or partnerships + no restrictions +...
A cheaper unit cost alone doesn't mean that we get the most in return for our money!

That is a relative post , a reply to Gripen/F-18 to India.
Ya spark is right but it doesnt mean only mrca is final.
Every one trying again , US with f35,gripen,LWF project with russia...

Su35 has reduced rcs when compared to mki.

 

[sancho]

That is a relative post , a reply to Gripen/F-18 to India.
Ya spark is right but it doesnt mean only mrca is final.
Every one trying again , US with f35,gripen,LWF project with russia...

Su35 has reduced rcs when compared to mki.

It has to, because Rafale and EF was shortlisted according to our requirements, so IAF/MoD don't think that the others suits them and that at least one of these 2 will be the final solution.

Su 35 has lreduced the RCS with the addition of more composite and RAM materials and deleting of the canards and except of the latter, the rest can be done with MKI as well, if it wasn't already during the licence production.

 

[tvsram1992]

Listen, the IAF is a throughly professional and competent organisation who knows what they want. Now that finances are not such an issue they can get the best and most compatible tom their needs. Now if the IAF has down selected the MIG 35, F-16IN, Gripen And F-18IN then that is their prerogative and I trust they have done so for the correct reasons.

And there is no bloody point in IAF operating SU-35 AND MKI. The IAF has thrown its hat in with the MKI and has committed SIGNIFICANT finances and resources to this platform and its success in the IAF. the MKI fits in with the IAF's doctrine (twin seat) and has significant scope for UPGs which the IAF is pushing for aggressively ("SUPER" UPG).

IAF knows what they want.
But there are some other players
Else the following would not happened
1.Not retiring Mig21's
2.Killing of Marut
3.Late procurement of MRCA
4.Not choosing the best UAV available
5.Going for Mirage upgrade
6.No future plans for Jaguar and Mig27 replacement till AMCA is done.
7.Delay in Kaveri, obviously LCA
8.Not going for more AWACS/Transport systems

 

[tvsram1992]

It has to, because Rafale and EF was shortlisted according to our requirements, so IAF/MoD don't think that the others suits them and that at least one of these 2 will be the final solution.

Su 35 has lreduced the RCS with the addition of more composite and RAM materials and deleting of the canards and except of the latter, the rest can be done with MKI as well, if it wasn't already during the licence production.

Yes definetly the winner would be rafale/eft
If it could be done with mki, we could have already done it by now.
Russia will nt feel much if we make change in licence production protocols, as we are buying 300 mki's.
Deleting the canards will not make rcs reduced rapidly.
By the way the ratio of rcs is 15 to 12) in clean configuration.

 

[praveen007]

Another ditch by Gripan to have a short a MMRCA.
Dont know how mach it will succeds
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Livefist: New Gripen Ad For MMRCA Says A Lot

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This very interesting advert for the Gripen NG
appears in the current edition of India's biggest
news magazine, India Today. It says a lot of
things. One, it appears three months after the
Gripen was officially eliminated from the Indian
MMRCA competition. Two, and more
interestingly, Saab's creative concept has shifted
away from simply highlighting the Gripen's
virtues (also of "autonomy" and "independence"),
and now takes a direct shot at the two finalists in
the competition -- the Eurofighter Typhoon and
Dassault Rafale -- on cost and stated capability. In
short, Saab believes it still has a chance, and this
fight isn't finished.
In one part, the advert says, "Performance
counts when aircraft are in the air, defending the
skies. Unfortunately, too many fighter aircraft are
either sitting on the ground because they are too
expensive to fly or simply do not have the
capabilities that they were touted to have." Ouch.
Also, "[The Gripen IN] has taken the essential
philosophy behind the Gripen to the next level,
making it a fighter of the latest generation priced
at less than half of its peers and operating at a
fraction of the cost." The folks at Saab know all
too well how delicate the next step in the MMRCA
selection will be -- the opening of bids and toss-
ups against a benchmark price, understood to be
ready and defined.
It gets better. The ad goes on the declare "Today,
India has a choice". Hmm, yep -- between the
Typhoon and Rafale, right? Well, there's nothing
official about it, but it's been rumoured for a while
that the four companies that were eliminated
three months ago from the Indian MMRCA fighter
competition (including Saab), have been "asked"
to stick around in the country. The applicability of
the aphorism "it ain't over, till it's over" to Indian
defence contracting is well known. And it has
much to do with what some see as a track that
runs parallel to the ongoing selection process. A
track that appears to internalize the possibility of
complete chaos, forcing a Plan B. Imagine that.

 

[SpArK]

Amazing photo of Hungarian Gripen @ Kecskemet air show ​

 

[Lord Of Gondor]

My favorite jet in the entire MMRCA competition,would have been the best option both economically and maintainence wise

 

[SpArK]

My favorite jet in the entire MMRCA competition,would have been the best option both economically and maintainence wise

Then you deserve a few more WoW pics..