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all i want to push is in light of amca f 35 is unfeasible but we can have the mig lmfs tech and use it in amca and its(lmfs) not a paper plane its flying
btw no offence look closely at the j20 it looks to me as a enlarged 2 engined version of lmfs

None taken:)....those are some unconfirmed media reports, but possible....I will try and get you a link of a US fighter X plane mde by lockheed I guess which exactly matches to what China has made, more than LMFS, the structure is 80% the same...:) give me some time..But we are going off topic. So I will send you that link..

Check your visitors log, its there....
 
A Diplomatic View of the MMRCA Deal
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India’s tender for 126 Medium Range Multi-role
Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) has been the object of
intensive and prolonged international interest.
Such a massive order for advanced aircraft by a
single country for procurement from the
international market is rare. All the major defence
equipment exporters in the world have been
eyeing this $10 billion contract avidly, with US,
Russia, France, Sweden and the European
consortium of Germany, UK, Italy and Spain in
the fray. The total value of this contract will, of
course, be much more than the $10 billion price
tag being currently mentioned if the supply of
spare parts, upgrades etc over the 30 to 40 year
service life of the aircraft are taken into account.
There are other fall-outs also, as such a major
contract creates mutual stakes and networks of
cooperation between defence establishments,
with a catalytic effect not only in enhancing
defence cooperation in general, but in improving
political relations as well.
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A lot of suspense has accompanied this tender,
with a great deal of uncertainty about which
aircraft would eventually be shortlisted for final
selection. Observers were unclear whether the
evaluation process would be purely technical, or
would be influenced by political considerations. In
any case, the general belief is that decisions on
such high-value defence contracts that have an
important political fall-out can never be divorced
from politics and therefore can never be purely
technical.

...if the US can impose an arms embargo
against China despite the intensity of their
economic and financial ties and the need to
manage their conflicting strategic interests
in East Asia which carries its own
compulsions of keeping China in good
humour, why cannot the US revise its policy
of arming a country that is unstable, almost
failing as a state in US eyes, irresponsible
on nuclear matters, and most responsible
for the dangerous spread of extremism and
terrorism in the region and well beyond?

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The lack of confidence in our defence
procurement process, with its inordinate delays
and lack of transparency, added to speculation
about the time-frame of decision making. The
marked bureaucratic apathy in the Ministry of
Defence, with officials inclined to avoid taking
responsibility for decisions and delaying them as
much as possible so as to protect themselves
from potential controversies later, was seen as
good reason to expect procrastination. The
noxious games played by competing companies
against each other, roping in members of
parliament and planting press articles to cast
doubt on the probity of the evaluation process
and the final award, which has featured as an
unpalatable side-show of defence deals in India,
was expected to play its part too in deferring
decisions.
It was widely believed that the evaluation process
would be highly complex in any case, with the
performance parameters listed for the aircraft
being too numerous, and none of the competing
aircraft expected to meet all of them in trials.
Beyond this, it was bandied about by cynics that
even if the Air Force were to do a purely objective
performance-based exercise in evaluating the
aircraft, its final recommendation would watch
for signals from the Ministry of Defence.
In the event, the evaluation process for the
MMRCA deal has proceeded remarkably well. A
very difficult exercise has been completed in good
time. Confidentiality has been maintained, apart
from the bizarre instance of an off-sets related file
being found in a most unlikely place. Despite
efforts by interested parties to probe into the
progress of the evaluation process, no substantial
leakage of information seems to have occurred,
indicating, to the credit of those involved, that the
integrity of the process was maintained. The
most striking aspect of the technical evaluation is,
however, the rather unexpected result. Only the
Eurofighter and the Rafale have been retained in
the short list for final selection; the two US aircraft
have been excluded from further consideration.
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when they offer f35 and if at all they offer then it would be very late and possibly unaffordable with pakfa


Offering F35 is a drama bu USA, and the price what lady clinton quoted was something unbelievable. F35 is in high demand, there are more than 6 countries who will take it first, then it will be given to other countries. Imagine the delay...

F35 is something which give pleasure to Mr Shukla...
 
Eurofighter Offers Naval Fighter to Sweeten M-MRCA Offering

2011-08-02 In anticipation of winning the Indian Air Force's $10.4 billion tender for 126 combat jets, European consortium EADS has offered India a choice to pioneer a project for a naval version of the Eurofighter Typhoon that is in the fray in what is being described as the "mother of all defence deals".

Typhoon's competitor in the medium multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA) tender, the French firm Dassault's Rafale, already has a naval version that is operational on France's lone nuclear-powered aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle.

Also: Eurofighter Offers Technology Transfer; U.K. Rejects Naval Eurofighter Variant in Favor of F-35 JSF

Officials of BAE Systems, one of the four partner companies in EADS for the Typhoon programme, told reporters during a visit to their RAF Warton production facility in Britain recently that India can exercise the choice of being a partner nation and leading the programme for the carrier-borne version of the aircraft if it wins the MMRCA tender. At present, Britain, Italy, Spain and Germany are partners in the Typhoon programme.

According to the BAE Systems officials, the Typhoon, which is a shore-based combat jet, has the potential to be a carrier-borne aircraft, provided a few modifications are made to the aircraft itself, essentially in a ski-jump take-off configuration due to the thrust-vectoring 90 kN (kilo Newton) engine that powers it.

Among the changes, it identifies strengthening of the undercarriage of the aircraft to assist in hard landings on a carrier's deck, fitting a carrier hook for arrested landings, and a good paint coating to help it withstand the vagaries of nature at sea.

The choice of the Typhoon for the Indian Navy the officials said, will complement the experience of operating the British Sea Harrier vertical-landing carrier-borne aircraft on board its lone aircraft carrier, INS Viraat, for over two decades now. Of the nearly 30 Harriers India had got for INS Viraat, only about 10 are left in service, with the rest lost in air crashes.

The offer has been made keeping in mind the Indian Navy's request for information issued in 2009. But the Indian Navy itself is not very amused with the offer.

First, according to officials, the Indian Navy plans to induct the Russian-built Admiral Gorshkov or INS Vikramaditya in the next couple of years. This warship will deploy Russian MiG-29K naval fighter jets and for this, the vessel is being reconfigured into a ski-jump take-off but arrested landing (STOBAR) mode at the Sevmash shipyard in Russia.

The same aircraft will be operated from the flight deck of India's indigenous aircraft carrier, under construction at the Cochin Shipyard, when it is inducted in the middle of this decade. Hence the Indian Navy has placed a total order for 45 MiG-29Ks for the two carriers from Russia.

For the future, the navy wants the Defence Research and Development Organisation's Tejas light combat aircraft's naval variant to fructify. If it does, then it may be the future carrier-borne aircraft of the navy for its two more indigenous aircraft carriers planned for construction at the Cochin Shipyard. But that decision is a long shot as it stands today, according to senior naval aviation officers.

But here is where the EADS, and BAE Systems in particular, is hopeful and is pitching the Typhoons as a powerful STOBAR platform for the future indigenous aircraft carriers of India.

Eurofighter Offers Naval Fighter to Sweeten M-MRCA Offering | India Defence
 
i think FGFA has taken away all the shine from MMRCA ..

and rightly so !!
 
Eurofighter Offers Naval Fighter to Sweeten M-MRCA Offering

2011-08-02 In anticipation of winning the Indian Air Force's $10.4 billion tender for 126 combat jets, European consortium EADS has offered India a choice to pioneer a project for a naval version of the Eurofighter Typhoon that is in the fray in what is being described as the "mother of all defence deals".

Typhoon's competitor in the medium multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA) tender, the French firm Dassault's Rafale, already has a naval version that is operational on France's lone nuclear-powered aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle.

Also: Eurofighter Offers Technology Transfer; U.K. Rejects Naval Eurofighter Variant in Favor of F-35 JSF

Officials of BAE Systems, one of the four partner companies in EADS for the Typhoon programme, told reporters during a visit to their RAF Warton production facility in Britain recently that India can exercise the choice of being a partner nation and leading the programme for the carrier-borne version of the aircraft if it wins the MMRCA tender. At present, Britain, Italy, Spain and Germany are partners in the Typhoon programme.

According to the BAE Systems officials, the Typhoon, which is a shore-based combat jet, has the potential to be a carrier-borne aircraft, provided a few modifications are made to the aircraft itself, essentially in a ski-jump take-off configuration due to the thrust-vectoring 90 kN (kilo Newton) engine that powers it.

Among the changes, it identifies strengthening of the undercarriage of the aircraft to assist in hard landings on a carrier's deck, fitting a carrier hook for arrested landings, and a good paint coating to help it withstand the vagaries of nature at sea.

The choice of the Typhoon for the Indian Navy the officials said, will complement the experience of operating the British Sea Harrier vertical-landing carrier-borne aircraft on board its lone aircraft carrier, INS Viraat, for over two decades now. Of the nearly 30 Harriers India had got for INS Viraat, only about 10 are left in service, with the rest lost in air crashes.

The offer has been made keeping in mind the Indian Navy's request for information issued in 2009. But the Indian Navy itself is not very amused with the offer.

First, according to officials, the Indian Navy plans to induct the Russian-built Admiral Gorshkov or INS Vikramaditya in the next couple of years. This warship will deploy Russian MiG-29K naval fighter jets and for this, the vessel is being reconfigured into a ski-jump take-off but arrested landing (STOBAR) mode at the Sevmash shipyard in Russia.

The same aircraft will be operated from the flight deck of India's indigenous aircraft carrier, under construction at the Cochin Shipyard, when it is inducted in the middle of this decade. Hence the Indian Navy has placed a total order for 45 MiG-29Ks for the two carriers from Russia.

For the future, the navy wants the Defence Research and Development Organisation's Tejas light combat aircraft's naval variant to fructify. If it does, then it may be the future carrier-borne aircraft of the navy for its two more indigenous aircraft carriers planned for construction at the Cochin Shipyard. But that decision is a long shot as it stands today, according to senior naval aviation officers.

But here is where the EADS, and BAE Systems in particular, is hopeful and is pitching the Typhoons as a powerful STOBAR platform for the future indigenous aircraft carriers of India.

Eurofighter Offers Naval Fighter to Sweeten M-MRCA Offering | India Defence

if brits sell their old aircraft carrier with typhoons,then it shud be a good deal
 
if brits sell their old aircraft carrier with typhoons,then it shud be a good deal

Their old carriers are STOVL carriers, for fighters like the Sea Harriers or F35B, that can take off via ski-jump and land vertically. The Sea Typhoon can't land vertically and needs a carrier with an angled flight deck and arrested landing, like the Gorshkov, or IAC 1.
Besides, that's old news and is just a fake offer to give us anything where our industry can participate at development level, otherwise we will only be a partner in production and the EF partners just outsourced it to India to lower the costs.
 
^^^ not just that but beyond Vikramditya and IAC-1 all future IN carriers are almost certainly going to be CATOBAR carriers so the Sea-Typhoon offer is a dud as it can't operate in this configuration and IN has the STOBAR category filled with Mig-29Ks. Hence the N-MMRCA for future IN aviation plans.
 
Rafale 30,000 hours special paint job making

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Happy Design, the company who made the beautifull Tiger Meet 2011 Mirage 2000C camo as well as the now, most famous "Petit prince" 30,000 hours commemorative paint job on the Rafale C118 and C121 has published a video and some interesting pictures of the different steps of the painting process made by the company ACOS. It took them only 6 days to complete the job using a paint with a different chemical base than the Rafale usual paint in order to remove it without damaging the military coating of the jets.
 
Dassault / Burst-An offer in the UAE by mid-September-Presse

Dassault Aviation must submit a final commercial offer in the UAE by mid-September for the sale of sixty Rafale combat aircraft, reported Thursday the daily newspaper Les Echos.
Fort including the Libyan experience, which allowed the Rafale to show his versatility, Abu Dhabi would have significantly revised down its requests for changes in technology, the emirate no longer requiring an increase in engine thrust and improvements in electronic warfare, the newspaper said.
"They sort through all the options. That's a sign of pragmatism," he told Les Echos a close case. No one was immediately available at Dassault Aviation for comment.

Dassault/Rafale-Une offre aux Emirats d'ici mi-septembre-Presse, Actualités boursières
 
What improvements they are looking in electronic warfare ?
 
What improvements they are looking in electronic warfare ?

According the report they are not looking for it anymore, seems that SPECTRAs capability during the Lybian conflict was impressive enough. Not sure what they wanted exactly, but since the Mirage 2000-9 and the F16 Block 60 got customised EWS as well, it wasn't surprising that they want more. They simply have too much money! ;)
 
defence.professionals | defpro.com

Georgia Senator Saxby Chambliss assailed Pentagon purchases of Boeing’s carrier-based F/A-18 Super Hornet, saying the plane is “obsolete” and “will be of limited to no value in any future threat scenario.” In a letter to Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta, Chambliss argued that if the Pentagon failed to move out smartly on purchasing the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter for the U.S. Navy and other services, “we run the certain risk of ceding tactical air superiority in future conflicts.”


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Lockheed Stealth Jet May Win Japan Deal - Bloomberg

Lockheed Martin Corp. (LMT), the world’s largest defense company, is counting on stealth technology to beat Boeing Co. (BA) and Eurofighter GmbH in a Japanese fighter contest that may be worth more than $4 billion.
The F-35 Joint Strike Fighter has better anti-radar capabilities than Boeing’s F-18 Super Hornet and Eurofighter’s Typhoon as it was specifically designed in a shape that would be hard to detect, said Craig Caffrey, a London-based analyst at IHS Jane’s DS Forecast, which advises defense suppliers. That may give the plane an edge as Japan previously tried to buy stealth fighters that can be used for spying as well as combat.
 
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