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[trident2010]

Knew already, more wait !!

 

[sancho]

Sagem creates Indian subsidiary, Sagem Services India Private Ltd

Aero India 2013, Bangalore, February 6, 2013

Sagem (Safran), the European leader in navigation, optronics and avionics systems and equipment and safety-critical software, has created Sagem Services India Private Ltd., a wholly-owned subsidiary that will be headquartered in New Delhi.

Primarily focused on maintenance, Sagem Services India will provide customer support for all Sagem avionics, optronics and inertial navigation systems and equipment in service in India.

The creation of Sagem Services India marks a major step forward in Sagem’s development in this country. Working closely with its customers, Sagem will be able to enhance its role in the development of India’s aerospace industry, and form new partnerships in all of its business sectors.

Already a contributor to several major Indian civil and military aircraft programs (1), Sagem works closely with Indian industry to supply avionics and navigation systems for both new aircraft and modernization programs.

Sagem’s new subsidiary will draw on the resources of its parent company, Safran, which already has some 2,100 employees in India.

1 – Sagem makes the flight control system for the ALH Dhruv helicopter. In addition, it makes Sigma laser gyro navigation systems, hundreds of which have been acquired for India’s Hawk trainers, Jaguar, MiG-27, MiG-29K, Sukhoi-30 MKI and LCA Tejas combat aircraft.

Sagem]Sagem

 

[Abingdonboy]

No Rafale, nuclear deals during Hollande visit | idrw.org

India makes a point NEVER to sign big deals during official visits- not news!

 

[sancho]

Samtel-Thales FSO

...MMRCA offset and technology transfer negotiations continue. The new Samtel-Thales Avionics joint venture will be “the first electro-optic house in the country,” said executive director Puneet Kaura. By 2015, the company intends to supply the infrared search-and-track system as standard equipment for the Dassault Rafale fighter for the Indian Air Force...

http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-n...s-and-tech-transfer-are-hot-topics-aero-india

 

[IND151]

Livefist: HAL Articulates MMRCA Challenges

 

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Rafale jet talks brighten after rough patch: officials​

NEW DELHI: India and France are speeding up negotiations on a $10 billion deal for 126 Rafale aircraft following months of delays because of disagreements over the cost of building them in India, two Indian Defence Ministry officials told Reuters.

India started exclusive talks with French Dassault Aviation's Rafale for a 126-plane order in January 2012, over the competing Eurofighter Typhoon . The two sides still have to sign a final contract.

The deal is likely to be discussed during a two-day visit by French President Francois Hollande to India beginning on Thursday, but both sides have played down the chances of it being finalised.

The talks have progressed slowly because of differences about how to price technology transfer, sourcing of spares and the selection of an Indian partner, the officials said.

"There are three issues of contention - pricing of transfer of technology, sourcing from India and the joint venture with Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL)," said a senior official at the ministry, who said negotiations had been delayed by a few months, largely because of those issues.

Another official said the contentious points had been mostly resolved and the deal could be finalised as soon as July.

Dassault declined to comment.

The second official said Dassault had earlier asked India to pay up to $2 billion more for the future upgrading of technology that would be transferred over the 30-year life-cycle of the deal.

French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius said on Sunday that talks with India to complete the long-awaited first export order for Rafale were looking up. At an air show in Bangalore last week, India pledged not to let defence cuts stand in the way of efforts to finalise the deal.

Following India's strong objections to the cost escalation, French has broadly agreed to review its decision but negotiations were still going on for calculating the price for the maintenance and life-cycle cost of the planes, the second official said.

India has been insisting that at least 30-50 per cent of the value of the contract be sourced from Indian companies, while Dassault wanted to lower that per centage, saying Indian firms do not have the capacity to supply that quantity of parts, the official said.

India revised an offset policy for procurements of arms last year, and specifies that defence contract over 3 billion rupees must plough back at least 30 per cent of the contract value into India as offsets.

Since 2007, Indian companies have secured sourcing contracts worth more than $4 billion under this policy.

"The contention is also over the pricing - you can put different value to hardware, services including transfer of technology," said the first official, who declined to be identified because of the sensitivity of the issue.

Hollande, accompanied by ministers and corporate delegates, is likely to discuss the sale of nuclear plants to India and investment in other sectors, India's Foreign Ministry said.

Under the Rafale deal, Dassault is expected to send 18 ready-made jets, then manufacture the rest in India.

India expects the deal will provide business of $4 billion to $5 billion to Indian companies, said the second ministry official, who has knowledge of the talks.

Both officials said another contentious issue in the negotiations was the selection of India's state-run Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) as partner of Dassault to manufacture planes in India.

Rafale has expressed doubts about the technological capability of HAL to manufacture such a sophisticated fighter jet, the official said. A HAL programme to manufacture advanced jet trainers is running years behind schedule.

However, India has told French negotiators that provisions of entering into a joint venture with the HAL to produce fighter jets was non-negotiable and there was no question of involving any private company in the deal, the officials said.

The visit by the French president could further help speed up the negotiations, could help speed up the negotiations, the second official said.

He said both countries were committed to the deal, and India's defence minister, A K Antony, and the Indian air force chief, N A K Browne, were making it a top priority during the upcoming fiscal year that begins in April.

 

[trident2010]

I like the offset policy clause. It brings some money and technology back to India which will be helpful in long run.

 

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Prime Minister’s statement to the Media during the state visit of President of France

We expressed satisfaction with the progress in our defence cooperation, which is poised to reach a qualitatively new level. Discussions on the MMRCA contract are progressing well. We have also concluded negotiations on the Short Range Surface to Air Missile, which, once approved by the Government, will be co-developed and co-produced in India. There is a welcome shift from defence trade to co-development and co-production of advanced defence items in India, which will help expand our domestic production base and strengthen the India-France strategic partnership.

 

[shree835]

Cameron aims to ‘steal’ IAF fighter deal from France: Report

British Prime Minister David Cameron will attempt to “steal” a six billion pound Indian defence contract from under the nose of French President Francois Hollande when he visits New Delhi this week, according to a media report.

“The Prime Minister will use a trip to India to try to persuade the New Delhi government to buy more than 100 Eurofighter jets after the French President left empty-handed this week,” the Daily Mail reported ahead of Cameron’s three-day official visit which begins from Monday.

French contractor Dassault Aviation was chosen last year as the preferred bidder for the contract to supply Rafale jet fighters to the Indian Air Force under a USD 10-billion deal – a blow for the UK-German-Spanish-Italian consortium, which includes Britain’s BAE Systems, which builds the Eurofighter.

But Hollande’s hopes of signing a final contract came to nothing this week – despite him squeezing in a visit before Cameron. The French premier also failed to secure any major trade deals, the British paper claimed.

“That has sparked hopes in Downing Street that Mr Cameron can persuade the Indian authorities to rethink the deal and buy the Eurofighter instead,” it said.

“Officials made clear that the Prime Minister wants to steal a march on Mr Hollande, who has repeatedly clashed with Mr Cameron,” the paper said.

Cameron angered the French by offering to put out a “red carpet” for entrepreneurs fleeing Hollande’s new 75 per cent top rate of tax, while the French government retaliated with the same offer for British businessmen if the UK quits the EU in the referendum Cameron has offered.

Quoting a British government source, the Daily Mail said: “Hollande was in India this week and a deal has not been signed so we will want to find out from the Indians how their talks are progressing with the French.”

A No 10 official added: “We respect the fact that the Indians have chosen their preferred bidder and are currently negotiating with the French. Of course, we will continue to promote Eurofighter as a great fast jet not just in India but around the world.”

However Prime Minister Manmohan Singh last week said that “discussions on the Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) (Rafale) contract are progressing well.”

Cameron will lead the largest ever trade delegation of ministers and businessmen to India, designed to strike defence, energy and education deals with the emerging superpower, the paper said.

Cameron aims to ‘steal’ IAF fighter deal from France: Report | idrw.org

 

[trident2010]

Keep trying !!

 

[Dandpatta]

Let the Brits lick our boots if they want our deals so badly !

 

[Abingdonboy]

Cameron aims to ‘steal’ IAF fighter deal from France: Report

British Prime Minister David Cameron will attempt to “steal” a six billion pound Indian defence contract from under the nose of French President Francois Hollande when he visits New Delhi this week, according to a media report.

“The Prime Minister will use a trip to India to try to persuade the New Delhi government to buy more than 100 Eurofighter jets after the French President left empty-handed this week,” the Daily Mail reported ahead of Cameron’s three-day official visit which begins from Monday.

French contractor Dassault Aviation was chosen last year as the preferred bidder for the contract to supply Rafale jet fighters to the Indian Air Force under a USD 10-billion deal – a blow for the UK-German-Spanish-Italian consortium, which includes Britain’s BAE Systems, which builds the Eurofighter.

But Hollande’s hopes of signing a final contract came to nothing this week – despite him squeezing in a visit before Cameron. The French premier also failed to secure any major trade deals, the British paper claimed.

“That has sparked hopes in Downing Street that Mr Cameron can persuade the Indian authorities to rethink the deal and buy the Eurofighter instead,” it said.

“Officials made clear that the Prime Minister wants to steal a march on Mr Hollande, who has repeatedly clashed with Mr Cameron,” the paper said.

Cameron angered the French by offering to put out a “red carpet” for entrepreneurs fleeing Hollande’s new 75 per cent top rate of tax, while the French government retaliated with the same offer for British businessmen if the UK quits the EU in the referendum Cameron has offered.

Quoting a British government source, the Daily Mail said: “Hollande was in India this week and a deal has not been signed so we will want to find out from the Indians how their talks are progressing with the French.”

A No 10 official added: “We respect the fact that the Indians have chosen their preferred bidder and are currently negotiating with the French. Of course, we will continue to promote Eurofighter as a great fast jet not just in India but around the world.”

However Prime Minister Manmohan Singh last week said that “discussions on the Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) (Rafale) contract are progressing well.”

Cameron will lead the largest ever trade delegation of ministers and businessmen to India, designed to strike defence, energy and education deals with the emerging superpower, the paper said.

Cameron aims to ‘steal’ IAF fighter deal from France: Report | idrw.org

Wtf?!! It is a bit late in the day for all of this. Cameron is a complete idiot.


Keep dreaming you out of touch toff.

In his visit to India he's got some explaining to do wrt the AW deal so if he thinks he's going to come over to India and have a jolly old time where he wals away with business he can dream on.


Wrt Hollande not securing any deals- this is how India works, it NEVER signs a major deal during a visit. As it is the French are set to secure two mega deals soon- the AREVA nuke plant and the MMRCA, how can the Daily Mail claim Hallande's visit was a failure?

 

[sancho]

it NEVER signs a major deal during a visit.

C17 when Obama came, Mirage 2000 upgrade when Sarkozy came, fighter and helicopter deals when Putin came.

 

[Abingdonboy]

C17 when Obama came, Mirage 2000 upgrade when Sarkozy came, fighter and helicopter deals when Putin came.

Well this is what I have read- maybe it only applies for deals over $10BN?

 

[shree835]

Wtf?!! It is a bit late in the day for all of this. Cameron is a complete idiot.


Keep dreaming you out of touch toff.

In his visit to India he's got some explaining to do wrt the AW deal so if he thinks he's going to come over to India and have a jolly old time where he wals away with business he can dream on.


Wrt Hollande not securing any deals- this is how India works, it NEVER signs a major deal during a visit. As it is the French are set to secure two mega deals soon- the AREVA nuke plant and the MMRCA, how can the Daily Mail claim Hallande's visit was a failure?

Believe Cameron managed to bring down the price of Typhoon....Some time back there was news that, he was discussing with rest of the Eurofighter partner about the price.