Dassault Rafale, tender | News & Discussions

[Jon Snow]

100% agree with this part, especially when we think about a war against an opponent like China, where the prime mission will be to take out the closest air and missile bases with pre-emptive strikes. EF in this case it completelly useless, since it has not a single stand off weapon integrated now or cleared for integration anytime soon. What makes it even more problematic is the fact, that you must develop and integrate CFTs too, because it won't be able to carry enough fuel tanks when it carriers heavy weapons. That obviously makes it even more expensive to make the EF useful for IAF and there are a lot of such costs that has to be added.
Btw, Armiger is a dead project and can't be revived anymore.



Russia has to agree, but even if that's not possible, because EFs centerline station has size restrictions and can carry only certain payloads. It can't even carry Storm Shadow or Taurus there!

So what's gonna replace the HARM - it a 30 year old missile.....

 

[sancho]

In wikipedia they say EF is all ready armed with Tarus having official range in excess of 500k.m.

Not everything what wiki says is correct, it is expected that Taurus will be integrated into German and Spanish EFs, when the Tornado and F18 needs to be replaced, but with the current financial situation of these countries, they will delay it as long as they can. Btw, if we take EF, we would get range limited versions of Storm Shadow or Taurus.

So what's gonna replace the HARM - it a 30 year old missile.....

New capabilities and new aircrafts most likely. EF was planned to get better EW capability in future and combined with PGMs like AASM or JDAM it can be used in SEAD roles too. But I would say that armed drones will takeover this role too, less detectable, can be used can be used at high altitudes and even if you loose one, it's better to loose a human crew and a more expensive fighter.

 

[rockstarIN]

ha ha SpArK! Have some Miranda

Zor ka Jhatka Dhire Se Lage

He loves to have thanda with this girl

 

[ILLUMINATO]

Not everything what wiki says is correct, it is expected that Taurus will be integrated into German and Spanish EFs, when the Tornado and F18 needs to be replaced, but with the current financial situation of these countries, they will delay it as long as they can. Btw, if we take EF, we would get range limited versions of Storm Shadow or Tarus.

I just wanted to point the weight which could be carried on central pylon of EF.Tarus is no doubt 1000 kg lighter when compared to our Brahmos but no way near to it's carnage capacity,somehow we can look forward to reduce the weight by 500kg more by compromising bit of range,then it would be a killer combo for SEAD ops.What do you think??

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

what if the saudis allow the Pakistanis access to EF ?

 

[rockstarIN]

Why can't EF T3 funded jointed by S. Arabia and India? the 2 potential customers who has monies too?

 

[SQ8]

Why can't EF T3 funded jointed by S. Arabia and India? the 2 potential customers who has monies too?

It could be a massive diplomatic coup as well.
There is no harm in trying..

 

[illusion8]

I kinda knew the EF will go through mainly because of the diplomatic angle - the EF MMRCA deal will help Europe cope with its economic downslide marginally. and the costly Jag upgrades was to pacify the French. Good move by India.

 

[rockstarIN]

We make a to z of MKI now, what did we earn from it? anything helpful for LCA? or possible AMCA from it?

If ToT nad making the jets here in India is just for economical purpose, whats the use? like our AF chief says, we should do everything to get the things done.

 

[SQ8]

We make a to z of MKI now, what did we earn from it? anything helpful for LCA? or possible AMCA from it?

If ToT nad making the jets here in India is just for economical purpose, whats the use? like our AF chief says, we should do everything to get the things done.

Could have if the LCA had been a continuation of this

Would have great.. No running around for engines..instant compatibility with the fleet.
Tsk.

The EF's ToT would probably help with the electronics part though.

 

[sancho]

I just wanted to point the weight which could be carried on central pylon of EF.Tarus is no doubt 1000 kg lighter when compared to our Brahmos but no way near to it's carnage capacity,somehow we can look forward to reduce the weight by 500kg more by compromising bit of range,then it would be a killer combo for SEAD ops.What do you think??

It's not only the weight but also the diameter and the length of Brahmos that would be a problem and for SEADs it's an overklill anyway, be it with it's big warhead, or with the high price.

 

[Storm Force]

Cant wauit til the TYPHOON order is confirmed

The PLANE is an absolute beast

The very low frontal RCS with massive range of American & european weapons make this a huge THREAT....

Once the captor e AESA is added AND new ramjet meteore BVR ....NOTHING WILL COME CLOSE to this fighter BAR F22

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

isnt there anyone here who can confirm this with inside sources

 

[Abingdonboy]

isnt there anyone here who can confirm this with inside sources

Unlikely, the Indian military are usually very tight lipped about their projects so you'd usually go to MoD officials but in this case gieven the sheer size of the project and the publicity they too are being very careful about what they say.

 

[Killswitch]

Heres hoping India inducts at least 180 of the EF's. The country needs serious numbers considering the neighborhood we are a part of.