Dassault Rafale, tender | News & Discussions

[sathya]

Are EFs so impotent that can't even suppress their air-defence ?I won't agree to that no way.No doubt ground attack may be their weak point,but to that extent??

su 30 mki is more impotent than EFT in SEAD mission.

cruize missiles, loitering missiles, stealth aircraft , good attack aircraft r best suited..

rafale by design better suited attack than EFT, however both r multirole

 

[Jon Snow]

Are EFs so impotent that can't even suppress their air-defence ?I won't agree to that no way.No doubt ground attack may be their weak point,but to that extent??

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Are EFs so impotent that can't even suppress their air-defence ?I won't agree to that no way.No doubt ground attack may be their weak point,but to that extent??

The only A2G munitions the EFT is CURRENTLY cleared to carry is the paveway 2/3 - it was supposed to get the ALARM or HARM anti radiation missile but till now it has not been cleared for either - maybe in future it will get the ARMIGER - but thats difficult considering the development has stopped due to lack of funds - the typhoon doesnt have anti shipping missile or cruise missile or anti radiation missile - So yeah pretty difficult to take out enemy air defences with only the paveways - but if india joins the program we will fund its A2G capabilities - The T3B will carry the HARM/ ARMIGER(when it is ready), the taurus, storm shadow cruise missile , paveway 4, harpoon anti ship missile and Brimstone anti armor missile.

 

[no_koadsheding_plz]

In Soviet Rusia,Bid wins Rafale

 

[ILLUMINATO]

The only A2G munitions the EFT is CURRENTLY cleared to carry is the paveway 2/3 - it was supposed to get the ALARM or HARM anti radiation missile but till now it has not been cleared for either - maybe in future it will get the ARMIGER - but thats difficult considering the development has stopped due to lack of funds - the typhoon doesnt have anti shipping missile or cruise missile or anti radiation missile - So yeah pretty difficult to take out enemy air defences with only the paveways - but if india joins the program we will fund its A2G capabilities - The T3B will carry the HARM/ ARMIGER(when it is ready), the taurus, storm shadow cruise missile , paveway 4, harpoon anti ship missile and Brimstone anti armor missile.

I hope tranche 3 turns out true to our expectations after India joins the consortium.This could be decisive factor in it's future marketing and no doubt in harnessing it's true potential.

 

[ILLUMINATO]

In Soviet Rusia,Bid wins Rafale

In Pakistan ,Bid wins F -22.

 

[shree835]

Pakistan cant afford any of them,and doesn't need to,as Chinese versions are equally capable at much lower price and no fear of embargoes.

Yes you are correct... Angoor Khatte Hain.

 

[sancho]

Are EFs so impotent that can't even suppress their air-defence ?I won't agree to that no way.No doubt ground attack may be their weak point,but to that extent??

Yes they are so weak!

Currently they have only 1000lb Paveway LGBs which can be used from a distance of hardly 15km, which obviously rules out any kind of SEAD missions. The partner countries also have not cleared any other A2G weapons yet, although they fixed the order for their T3As several years ago and with latest news of further defence budget cuts in the UK and Italy, chances of expensive upgrades for the EF are very slim.

 

[patna_ke_presley]

Eurofighter is my Favorite. Great News if it comes true.

 

[sathya]

20-30 % reduction will be insufficient..Atleast the rcs should be around 5m2 or less,otherwise su-35 would have been good offer..
By the way , happy to hear the EFT is the lowest price bidder...

since only new aircraft is to be upgraded to super su 30mki.. we can expect visible changes but i dont think it ll be significant ,otherwise whole new test flights will have to be conduted. but other packages are awesome.. it extends bhramos range 10 times

 

[SpArK]

Lowest bidder was recognised the day the bids were opened.

Did they revised the bid in between.




PS: smiley courtesy DeeEffEye

 

[ILLUMINATO]

Yes they are so weak!

Currently they have only 1000lb Paveway LGBs which can be used from a distance of hardly 15km, which obviously rules out any kind of SEAD missions. The partner countries also have not cleared any other A2G weapons yet, although they fixed the order for their T3As several years ago and with latest news of further defence budget cuts in the UK and Italy, chances of expensive upgrades for the EF are very slim.

Can any arrangement between our A2G Brahmos and tranche 3 be made without Russia's objection??

 

[sancho]

Actually to achieve air superiority You need to have decent ground attack capabilities - First and foremost there will be SEAD missions, taking out radar installations, SAM batteries and even handheld Stingers can cause a lot of damage. Also air superiority is not achieved by taking out each and every fighter the enemy has - It is achieved by taking out airbases and destroying runways and taking out fighters while they are on the ground. Ground attack is extremely vital for air superiority....

100% agree with this part, especially when we think about a war against an opponent like China, where the prime mission will be to take out the closest air and missile bases with pre-emptive strikes. EF in this case it completelly useless, since it has not a single stand off weapon integrated now or cleared for integration anytime soon. What makes it even more problematic is the fact, that you must develop and integrate CFTs too, because it won't be able to carry enough fuel tanks when it carriers heavy weapons. That obviously makes it even more expensive to make the EF useful for IAF and there are a lot of such costs that has to be added.
Btw, Armiger is a dead project and can't be revived anymore.

Can any arrangement between our A2G Brahmos and tranche 3 be made without Russia's objection??

Russia has to agree, but even if that's not possible, because EFs centerline station has size restrictions and can carry only certain payloads. It can't even carry Storm Shadow or Taurus there!

 

[ILLUMINATO]

Russia has to agree, but even if that's not possible, because EFs centerline station has size restrictions and can carry only certain payloads. It can't even carry Storm Shadow or Taurus there!

In wikipedia they say EF is all ready armed with Tarus having official range in excess of 500k.m.

 

[Bl[i]tZ]

Lowest bidder was recognised the day the bids were opened.

Did they revised the bid in between.




PS: smiley courtesy DeeEffEye

ha ha SpArK! Have some Miranda

Zor ka Jhatka Dhire Se Lage

 

[ILLUMINATO]

Sorry ,Double post.