KEETARP
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believe what you want, but I see the facts and they are that Rafale is the most developed and ready fighter from Europe, which will be available with all capabilities that are on offer for us, at least 2-3 years before EF, or Gripen NG.
Europe is not the only one participating .
I don't get the point ,
when myself+DBC+others have shown Rafale is immature still you ..........
What does the Source code have to do with strike power / range ??They will, but that was not the point! You asked me about advantages that the Rafale has in the strike role over F18SH, so it doesn't make sense to bring up those fighters in now
Do you still deny F18 has better weapon+Range+Fuel than Frenchie
Mig 35 has no cruise missile and can only carry limited heavy A2G loads
and you write in your next post
I know it and instead of beliving a picture only, I looked up the specs on the official Mikoyan site some time ago, which states:
Quote:
A-S" missiles:
- anti-ship 4хKh-31A, Kh-35E 4хKh-31A, Kh-35E
- anti-radar 4хKh-31P 4хKh-31P
Guided bombs 4хKAB-500Kr 4хKAB-500Kr
- MiG-29K/KUB
Instead of claimimg Mig35 can't carry any cruise missile , you should have checked whether KH-35 is a cruise missile or not .
You should have checked this thread by Ironman
http://www.defence.pk/forums/milita...advanced-technology-but-funding-required.html
It's not MIG/IAF problem that you don't believe in that Mig29K pick with X-59 cruise missile . Its a part of package offered by Mig displayed in picture . Not sure what Eurofighter has to do here .
Whether yo like or hate Gripen , that dosen't change the fact.I showed you the difference about range before and you didn't even disagree then, so why now? Gripen NG is in the same medium class as F18SH (otherwise it wouldn't be in the competition), only on the opposite ends.
Comparing F18 twin seater to single engine Gripen is like Apple to orange , completely different class .
Gripen is lightest aircraft second only to tejas ........... while F18 is .............
I posted that already , Rafale did loose unlike that B.S article of Air-Cosmos claiming F22 loosing to Rafale .Actually 5 draws and only 1 loss, which is more than impressive for such a small fighter, that is often claimed to be an underpowered fighter bomber only. I posted it here before!
These will help them in the strike role for example and as I asked you before, from IAF point of view, for this role, wouldn't it be better to have 2 frontline fighters that offers different capabilities and weapons for such a role?
You never answered it, because you the that it's true, that Rafale offers what MKI don't have and the other way around too. Be it capabilities of the fighter, weapons, or techs, they would suit perfectly.
I replied F18 much better , F16 is excellent in SEAD , Gripen can do whatever IAF asks
We are talking of Indian threats not like bombing Pacific .
All of them are good modern machines nothing unique in Rafale .
And that's exactly what I meant! Be honest please, would you take a source for Rafale to account that is sponsored by the French forces?
Show us certification of RCS like below
I would be first one to acknowledge , but something like this ???
4 claims 4 times wrong! I agreed from the begining that the Rafale has no ARM, not because it doesn't integrated it yet, but because they use a different strategy in that role. I didn't even said that's the the better way, I only showed you that firing missiles preemptive is also not the solution and that's why the Europeans are thinking about other ways too.
Again I said from the begining that not only the weapons are costly, but the cost in general is the downside of the Rafale.
HMS, again I said it before that it don't has it integrated yet. Topsight was tested on Rafale, but the French forces wanted another HMS from Sagem, which was not integrated now.
And again I told you that MICA has less range than AIM 120, but that is not the point in BVR engagements, there are several factors that you have to take to accound. I even proved it with sources that a Rafale with MICA was able to beat opponents with AIM 120s.
But that is typical for this discussion, we were talking about detection with strike loads and suddenly you jumped to BVR engangements, I proofed that missile range alone is not the point and again you jump to missiles against Erieye, which has nothing to do with what we wear talking initially.
So you finally admit some drawbacks of Rafale
No HMS
NO ARM
Hugely expensive + more expensive weapons
but still don't accept MICA lacks behind AIM120 , strange .
but not that all EWS uses Inferometric techs. Again just a get into conclusion too fast.
What
, did you even bother to see Directional Finding capability on official brochure of Eurofighter .
Left side second point ,
Plus I have shown F16,F18 can cue weapons .
I was correct ,When you claimed
Only Rafale gives Passive detection - Proven wrong (All)
Only Rafale gives 360 coverage - Proven wrong (All)
Only rafale has Situational awareness - Proven wrong (All except Mig)
Only Rafale has Enhanced Situational awareness - Proven wrong ("")
Only Rafale has capability to cue weapons - Wrong (F16+F18)
I mean even you said now that Rafale can fire MICA and AASM via Spectra, which means to air and ground targets. But the only EWS that could do similar seems to be the F16 B60, because it uses the techs for locatating and targeting
Since you accept F16 has such thing , Your line only explains what i said above , when you claimed unique for Rafale - I showed you F16+F18
And Eurofighter have ESM to find and locate target co-ordinates .
See the brochure above
And the link i showed
But because of your bias you failed to see that every Eurofighter will use wide weapons unlike Rafale where MICA and AASM are cue specific .
Integrating IRIS-T + ASRAAM both requires .......... Leave it . You won't get