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The Ministry of External Affairs has said the
understanding (only an understanding?) between India and France over the purchase of 36 Rafale fighter jets will soon (whenever Indians say 'Will Soon"- it will be 15 years +... ) be translated into a government to government agreement.

"What has been agreed is an understanding and it will be translated into a government to government agreement. For this, the French and the Indian Defence Ministers will sit with their technical officials and their financial people and will work out all the details (great! as if Indians were good at details) ," MEA official spokesperson Syed Akbaruddin told ANI.

"Now, that there is an agreement in principle ( in principle?! :lol:) , please give some time for the nitty-gritty to be worked out ( I saw these words millions of times here from the Indians, few are positive though) . And once this is worked out (oke, think 15 years plus) by the technical people, these will be (what Indians can do without "will"? :hitwall: ) certainly made public," he added.



Prime Minister Narendra Modi, who is presently on a two-day visit to France, had on Friday ordered 36 "ready-to-fly" French-made Rafale fighter jets.

The 36 Rafale jets are expected to be inducted into the Indian Air Force (IAF) within a span of two years (2 years or 20? it's quite hilarious :lol: )
I suggest you not to use your "high IQ" grey matter,let Indians do their work. You better fine tune J10B which is still flying in Yellow Primer.
 
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Long sought by the depleted Indian Air Force, Apache attack and Chinook heavy lift helicopters seem set to punch in through the opening created by Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s Rafale breakthrough. Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar has sought the mandatory finance ministry approval for purchase of 22 Boeing Apache attack helicopters from the US as a prelude to moving the Cabinet Committee on Security. The $2 billion purchase has been hanging fire since 2009 with the US defence major offering its 11th extension on price till June 30, 2015.

South Block officials said that Parrikar has also directed defence finance officials to fast-track the acquisition of 15 Chinook heavy helicopters from the US or record their reservations, if any, for the CCS to take a final view. “Acquisition cannot remained mired in red tape. If the officials have any concerns, they should record it on file so that the political leadership can take a decision on either to concur with their view or reject it. Sitting on the file is not an option,” said a senior South Block official. Manufactured by Boeing, the Chinook deal is worth around $1.1 billion and has been in limbo as long as the Apache.

The Apache qualified in the attack helicopter category as the other contender did not meet the specifications, Chinook qualified for the heavy copter tender as the lowest bidder on grounds of landed price, fuel efficiency and maintenance for 10 years after beating the Russia-made Mi-26 in 2012.

The IAF has only two squadrons of the roughly 25 years old Mi-35 attack helicopters, it has only three Mi-26 heavy lift helicopters with low serviceability. The IAF desperately requires attack helicopters like Apache to counter any aggression from the west and needs rapid deployment capability along the 3,488-km mountainous Line of Actual Control (LAC) with China. Boeing has offered India 15 Chinooks (CH-47F) with the option of purchase of seven more of the twin rotor helicopters that can carry 55 combat-ready troops or up to 11,000 kg of cargo.

In case of the Apache, Boeing has offered 22 platforms with the option of buying another 11 through both government-to-government and direct commercial sales route. The US manufacturer has offered state-of-the-art Longbow radar with Hellfire fire-and-forget all-weather missiles, Stinger missiles and rockets. Both helicopters use top-of-the-line technology and have been battle-proven in the Afghanistan and Iraq theatres.
 
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Acquisition cannot remained mired in red tape. If the officials have any concerns, they should record it on file so that the political leadership can take a decision on either to concur with their view or reject it. Sitting on the file is not an option
Attaboy!
These guys really know how to get a work done. Glad they are showing guts to tackle the issues head on rather than following popular idiom of previous government viz Sometimes no decision is also a decision.
 
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DM MP is on a fast tracking mode.. Good finally we know someone who wants to clear a lot of back logged files (acquisitions).
Hope MP also clarifies a bit more about 3 projects - FGFA, AMCA and LCA MK2 and starts pushing agencies for prioritization.
 
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What good 22 Longbow's will do you your armed forces , order is too less to be any significant.
With kind of 2 front war situation and naxal / terrorist problems you have at least 100 should have been ordered.
 
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Acquisition cannot remained mired in red tape. If the officials have any concerns, they should record it on file so that the political leadership can take a decision on either to concur with their view or reject it. Sitting on the file is not an option,” said a senior South Block official. Manufactured by Boeing, the Chinook deal is worth around $1.1 billion and has been in limbo as long as the Apache.

This alone statement made my day...at-least the MOD is talking some sense...has been ruled by morons for too long to expect even rational words from them...i hope they stick to these words for good!!
 
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What good 22 Longbow's will do you your armed forces , order is too less to be any significant.
With kind of 2 front war situation and naxal / terrorist problems you have at least 100 should have been ordered.

Do not let YOUR Ignorance become OUR burden.

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Rafale deal is defence's Make in India landmark
Monday, 13 April 2015 - 7:35am IST | Agency: dna

Shaili Chopra


The mega deal with Rafale is first landmark in the Make In India plan for the defence sector, and promises to put into throttle investments and expansion of small and large industry to produce parts and tech that needs to go with it.

What it will bring with it is technology transfer, research and development and a new skill building opportunities. 36 ready planes make for two squadrons of the Indian Air Force and can boost its otherwise weakening and aeging fleet. This $20 billion deal will mean $10 billion opportunity in manufacturing offsets in India.


What’s unique and progressive about this deal is that Rafale may be working with a private Indian company to build 90 planes. Rafale project was earlier stuck because of the manufacturer Dassualt’s reluctance to bank on a PSU’s competence as it was being forced to work with Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd. Now with the new deal (and the new government) the contract will go to a private defence manufacturer. The Indian government under UPA was insistent that the French manufacturer guarantee timely deliverance and quality of the plane by the Bengaluru-based PSU, something the company was not willing to do. Finally, the deal is set to take off with these issues out of the way.

We in India have been obsessed and concerned with the FDI in defence debate although most of our military capacity has always been supported by foreign equipment and planes. Deals like these may showcase that foreign tech and investment in India military aviation can grow its strategic capability and it’s a good time to shed the fears attached to FDI in the sector too.

History is replete with examples that India’s experiments with indigenisation have, at best, been tardy. Homegrown companies can continue researching with grants and doles but that could take a while before we achieve anything. According to a paper published by the institute for defence studies and Analyses (idsA) even if India increases its R&D efforts in a big way, the benefits, in terms of equipping the armed forces with proven technologies, will not accrue in the near future.

In the 65 years since independence, we should have been able to absorb technology and understand it. All these years we left things to the defence Research & development Organisation (dRdO) and look where we stand today. The Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) took 25 years to make and is still to get inducted in the fleet. The Arjun Battle Tank was also delayed. When India bought the Sukhoi su-30 from Russia, it was decided that eventually they would transfer technology and equipment, and we would put them together here in our factories but even there our figures went beyond the cost of importing it.
Eventually we will need foreign investment in domestic companies. Worries of sabotage and blackmail can be addressed by putting in appropriate riders in any agreement with such company. The solution doesn’t lie with the government either; instead, the concern of strategic and security interest should allow for domestic private sector to be preferred to foreign firms.

India even lags the nations in its own neighbourhood. China, for instance, has reduced dependence on imports, created its own industry and has begun exporting indigenously developed military equip- ments. In 1947 China’s defence was near nothing but today it may be the second largest. The fact is, India’s defence sector needs modernisation as nearly half its equipment is obsolete. Scams and corruption scandals have not made things easier.

The defence market is lumpy and the procedures opaque, such challenges make it harder for companies to enter the sector. Opening up the defence sector, going through with big deals will lead to higher investments and also increase the country’s ability to understand and grow with next generation tech. Most importantly it will put emphasis on making in India.
Rafale deal is defence's Make in India landmark | Latest News & Updates at Daily News & Analysis

Abit jumbled as its quoting 90 tot under make in india with perhaps Reliance
 
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Do not let YOUR Ignorance become OUR burden.

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Good luck defending yourself with 4 hard point light chopper with very limited payload and radar capability , seriously your quote suits you comparing a non existent useless chopper to Apaches ?
 
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What good 22 Longbow's will do you your armed forces , order is too less to be any significant.
With kind of 2 front war situation and naxal / terrorist problems you have at least 100 should have been ordered.
Well three things here:
1. This order of 22 Apaches is first lot only. As is with so many other deals, India buys such hardware in small batches (ex. C-130, P8I, Su 30 MKIs etc). Once the machines are inducted, there almost always is a case of follow up orders.
2. This proposed fleet of Apaches will be supplemented by LCH which will be in far greater numbers (owing to their price tag). Finally armed forces will have a good mix of imported and Indian fire-power.
3. Don't think there are any plans to use these helicopters against naxalites. Govt. on several occasions has said categorically that involvement of army against naxals will be as absolutely the last resort. The focus right now is to create special operation teams with special training and weaponry to tackle the guerrilla warfare tactics of naxals.
 
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Well three things here:
1. This order of 22 Apaches is first lot only. As is with so many other deals, India buys such hardware in small batches (ex. C-130, P8I, Su 30 MKIs etc). Once the machines are inducted, there almost always is a case of follow up orders.
2. This proposed fleet of Apaches will be supplemented by LCH which will be in far greater numbers (owing to their price tag). Finally armed forces will have a good mix of imported and Indian fire-power.
3. Don't think there are any plans to use these helicopters against naxalites. Govt. on several occasions has said categorically that involvement of army against naxals will be as absolutely the last resort. The focus right now is to create special operation teams with special training and weaponry to tackle the guerrilla warfare tactics of naxals.
Sooner you get rid of communist better , path to full scale development only lies after gaining lost lands/forests/mines to naxalites
 
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What good 22 Longbow's will do you your armed forces , order is too less to be any significant.
With kind of 2 front war situation and naxal / terrorist problems you have at least 100 should have been ordered.


22 helos is only the first lot. Final figures are likely to be thrice that number. In the mean while the first order tranche of Chinooks are likely to be pushed through.
 
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