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J-20 is detectable even on PESA radar of MKI .Forget taking on the AESA of rafale with SPECTRA and IRST suite and meteor.Fake chinese stealth just like everything chinese is either copy or fake.Failed engines on top of that.
Only detected based on claims from guy who believes India invented internet 9000 years ago
 
LMFAO every single flight surface on a aircraft can be stealth except for those small wings before a delta wing -- that flight surface cannot be stealth by the laws of physics :rofl:
 
Given India’s maintenance capabilities I doubt they will be able to make the most of the rafale
Just look at how their t 90 handled the incline compared to a t 72 from a competently maintained military
 
Egypt has 24 in service rafale jets... yet can't stop Ethipia building the dam on river Nile.. why is india boosting about 5 rafales so much.. ??


They just need to talk...


besides was this same ACM on the job when PAF chopped IAF balls on 27 feb...


He should explain why didn’t his airforce counter strike ?
 
Watch this footage:


Please keep in mind the fact that the maneuverability aspects of F-35 were first unlocked in 2017. All manner of restrictions will be lifted in the upcoming Block 4.

And keep in mind another fact that F-35 is by design a heavily-equipped aircraft due to numerous sensor systems and even fuel tanks being in-built. Even then this aircraft has superior control, endurance, and turn-aspect than a heavily-loaded F-16 (F-35 is not hampered by air-resistance/drag) - this coupled with vastly superior low-observability suggest a remarkable leap in the airframe design aspect.

Kinematics are important but 4th generation arguments, my friend.

Study the latest RED FLAG events and you will have some idea.

Do not retrace 'negativity' for the sake of it - understand things from DEVELOPMENT standpoint.
Good video, Thank. I knew this youtube channel, he came to China Zhuhai 2018 as well. His video recording is awesome.
F-35 is a serious threat, stealthy and situational awareness capability is very well. But maneuverability is just so so. Actually I do believe maneuverability is not as important in BVR anymore.
 
Rafale vs J-20: Ex-IAF chief Dhanoa calls China’s bluff with ‘two simple questions’

Updated: Jul 31, 2020 11:04 IST
By Shishir Gupta, Hindustan Times New Delhi

Former Air Chief Marshal BS Dhanoa has always highlighted how Rafale fighter jets are better stealth fighters and are not inferior to China’s J-20 jets Rafale is 4.5 generation jet.

Former Air Chief Marshal BS Dhanoa on Friday dismissed claims that the Rafale fighter jets inducted by the Indian Air Force this week had no chance against China’s J-20 stealth fighter.


The claims, made by an ‘expert’ in Chinese Communist Party’s tabloid Global Times, claimed that the Rafale was superior to the IAF’s Sukhoi-30 MKI jets.

“It is only about one-fourth of a generation more advanced and does not yield a significant qualitative change,” Zhang Xuefeng, who was described by the communist party’s propaganda website as a Chinese military expert, said.


The website, quoting unnamed experts claimed, that “Rafale is only a third-plus generation fighter jet, and does not stand much of a chance against a stealth, fourth generation one like the J-20”.

Ex-IAF chief Dhanoa, who has described the 4.5 generation Rafale fighter jets as a “game changer for the IAF, responded to the Chinese claim with “two simple questions”.

“If the J-20, also called the Mighty Dragon, is indeed a fifth generation stealth fighter, then why does it have canards while genuine 5th generation fighters such as the US’ F 22, F 35 and Russian fifth generation Su 57 don’t,” Dhanoa asked.

Canards are fuselage-mounted small, forward wings located forward of the main wing to improve aircraft control and contribute to lift. They are considered to present large angular surfaces that tend to reflect radar signals.


“I don’t think J-20 is stealthy enough to be called a fifth generation fighter as the canard increases the radar signature of the fighter and gives away its position to a long-range BVR missile like the Meteor missile that the Rafale has.

The other question the former IAF chief has for the Chinese is: “Why can’t the J-20 supercruise if it is really a 5th generation fighter as its manufacturer Chengdu Aerospace Corporation calls it.”

Supercruise is the ability of a fighter jet to fly at speeds above M 1.0 - the speed of sound - without the use of afterburners, the additional combustion component used on some jet engines to increase thrust.

“The Rafale has the supercruiseability and its radar signature is comparable to the best of the fighters in the world,” Dhanoa told Hindustan Times.

The retired top air force officer had earlier this week shredded the Chinese propaganda of superior air capability, wondering that if the Chinese equipment was so good, Pakistan would have used its Chinese JF-17 and not the F-16 aircraft to attack Nangi Tekri brigade in Rajouri sector on 27 February 2019. But Pakistan used the Chinese JF-17 to merely give air defence cover to its Mirage 3/5 bombers. Or why China’s “iron brother” uses Swedish early air warning platforms up north and the keep Chinese AWACS in the south.

Incidentally, India is expected to get 12 more Sukhoi 30 MKI and 21 MiG 29s next year from Russia.

According to diplomats based in Moscow, the new Su-MKIs will “look better, shoot better, and fight better”.

The MiG 29 will be used for setting up a new squadron in Jamnagar in Gujarat and will have the same capability as the MiG 29 that India currently has.

https://m.hindustantimes.com/india-...vypDHeIrXI_amp.html?__twitter_impression=true

Actually it is a question of definition. Chinese J20 is a fifth generation plane with bellow par stuff of 3rd generation capability. It maneuvers worse than jaguar, it has a radar bellow par the radar of India's Jaguar Darin III. It was detected in Lhasa by MKI 300 km away with PESA radar. J20 is just for boosting the ego of our cute chinese friends.
 
Faceplam movement
Hes EX chief and hes saying that ?
Please someone tell me whats the main characteristics of being a 5th ( 4th Gen Chinese ) aircraft.
 
Nope, acc to our air force chief.
Nope, acc to our air force chief.
the airforce chief who believes India invented the internet 9000 years ago and hasn’t hear is luneberg lens
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They just need to talk...


besides was this same ACM on the job when PAF chopped IAF balls on 27 feb...


He should explain why didn’t his airforce counter strike ?
Rafale aur "balls" nahi thay...didnt the PM modi already explain it
 
Actually it is a question of definition. Chinese J20 is a fifth generation plane with bellow par stuff of 3rd generation capability. It maneuvers worse than jaguar, it has a radar bellow par the radar of India's Jaguar Darin III. It was detected in Lhasa by MKI 300 km away with PESA radar. J20 is just for boosting the ego of our cute chinese friends.
Darling III project has been cancelled due to lack of mojo in 50 years old trainers jauguar engines and lack of money to buy new engines
 

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