Dassault Rafale, tender | News & Discussions [Thread 2]

[LeGenD]

The F135 has more than enough dry thrust to supercruise ...

FYI: https://www.defensenews.com/industr...is-pitching-a-new-version-of-the-f-35-engine/

Block 4 is mentioned. Take this as a hint.

Engine has been built - it can be improved and fine-tuned as per the need.

Refer back to my post # 37.

 

[Trango Towers]

So having canards means it's not 5th gen and no super cruise means it's not 5thb gen.

Is this man for real...who did he get butt effed by to get to his seat?

 

[atan651]

Air Chief Marshal BS Dhanoa.

 

[LeGenD]

Air Chief Marshal BS Dhanoa.

Size name matters.

 

[Feng Leng]

LOL Indians are so frustrated because their $300 million / airframe Rafales become worthless junk already

 

[vi-va]

I would say that F-35 has received undue amount of PRESS and criticism which is detrimental in a way. Every aircraft including J-20 have problems and shortcomings which are slowly but surely being fixed. China is doing the right thing by not talking much about J-20 in its PRESS. People tend to have wrong ideas otherwise.

Numerous American pilots have testified that F-35 can do maneuvers which other jets cannot with the exception of F-22A. However, of-course, F-35 cannot be superior to another jet in every metric conceived - this is unrealistic expectation.

F-35 have excellent low-observability and sensor architecture coupled with desired level of kinematics to deliver good results and ensure air superiority in its missions. Make no mistake.

Please keep in mind that F-35 is equipped with a very powerful engine - it enable F-35 to do things which other single engine designs cannot.

F-35 empty weight 13,290 kg, max take off weight 31,751 kg.
F-16 empty weight 8,573 kg, max take off weight 19,187 kg.
F-35 maneuverability is not good, much worse than F-16. Flight envelope is bad.

 

[LeGenD]

F-35 empty weight 13,290 kg, max take off weight 31,751 kg.
F-16 empty weight 8,573 kg, max take off weight 19,187 kg.
F-35 maneuverability is not good, much worse than F-16. Flight envelope is bad.
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Watch this footage:

Please keep in mind the fact that the maneuverability aspects of F-35 were first unlocked in 2017. All manner of restrictions will be lifted in the upcoming Block 4.

And keep in mind another fact that F-35 is by design a heavily-equipped aircraft due to numerous sensor systems and even fuel tanks being in-built. Even then this aircraft has superior control, endurance, and turn-aspect than a heavily-loaded F-16 (F-35 is not hampered by air-resistance/drag) - this coupled with vastly superior low-observability suggest a remarkable leap in the airframe design aspect.

Kinematics are important but 4th generation arguments, my friend.

Study the latest RED FLAG events and you will have some idea.

Do not retrace 'negativity' for the sake of it - understand things from DEVELOPMENT standpoint.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Probably because your comment was just so really,really stupid that if you`d actually stopped and thought about it for a second then you hopefully wouldnt have written it in the first place.....but sadly you did.

The word 'sarcasm' never crossed your mind, of course.

 

[My-Analogous]

we can defend ourselves in two front war , no problem .

Good luck

 

[My-Analogous]

Because that thief country steals their weapon design and claims Russian territory thrifts own.

Post clearly what is your point. Which country you are referring?

 

[MirageBlue]

FINALLY !!!!

The end of a long, long, too long story.

I'm sure IAF will love that bird as they loved Mirage 2000 before.

A great day for India. I'm proud.

Yes indeed. The Rafale and MRCA saga has been so damn tedious and difficult for the IAF, it's really a sad indictment of India's screwed up procurement processes.

Now that the IAF has gotten it's first Rafales on Indian soil, I think the groundwork is now somewhat laid for an additional order for Rafales. As far as the Indian public is concerned now, the Rafale is the best fighter the IAF can get. So even with the opposition Congress Party raising a lot of BS scam allegations, no one may take them seriously now.

 

[Beefeatergin]

Why doesn’t this guy tell saab before they make a mistake on their next gen fighter

They should have learned from Indian developed stealth fighter

see no carnards

 

[kongn]

J-20 is detectable even on PESA radar of MKI .Forget taking on the AESA of rafale with SPECTRA and IRST suite and meteor.Fake chinese stealth just like everything chinese is either copy or fake.Failed engines on top of that.

 

[Avatar]

The point about canards is extremely valid. Having extruding canards removes any possibility of stealth. Its just a paper tiger. Without stealth, its just a 4.5th gen, unproven warplane based on foreign designs and engine. It maybe good but definitely not one of the best.

 

[Avatar]

Probably the most incompetent/ill-advised/corrupt Air Chief IAF ever had.

a. Canards of a certain shape, size, angle, metal, and coating retain the stealth characteristics. Hence it is moronic to suggest that fighters with canards are less stealthy as compared to those without it. Rafale has canards, Mirage 3/5 do not. Yet the Rafale has a smaller RCS compared to them.

Clearly, you seem to have lost the use of your brain. There is a difference in low RCS and no RCS. The most important feature of a 5th gen fighter is complete stealth/ invisibility/ giving it the advantage of first strike. Even a small RCS of stealthy canards can be picked up by modern radars, but PLAF absolutely needed those canards even at the cost of stealth because without them J-20 must be very clumsy at high g maneuvers.