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LouiQ answered already Guardian mate!
Grab your answer and review the image.
It could help to compare what you gave
us and check on an older picture ...
Tay.
The older spectra were green. I remember picad mentioning this somewhere.
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And one "esteem trophy" to @surya kiran !
The hardware is imaginary but the success real.
Yes, these appeared around autumn 2015
but did not get onto every Rafale since.
Re-reading Guardian's post #6239, what do you
think it involves then?
Waiting
Tay.
The hardware is imaginary but the success real.
Yes, these appeared around autumn 2015
but did not get onto every Rafale since.
Re-reading Guardian's post #6239, what do you
think it involves then?
Waiting
Tay.
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LOL.... I did notice the change in colour, just didn't expect it to be that simple answerAnd one "esteem trophy" to @surya kiran !
The hardware is imaginary but the success real.
Yes, these appeared around November 2015
but did not get onto every Rafale since.
Re-reading Guardian's post #6239, what do you
think it involves then?
Waiting
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GaN. Most probably this is B02.
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Even for a french.... it's not easy !!!
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OK, here we are; thanks again Surya mate!
A- There was no official word ( TMK ) about the switch.
B- It could be only cosmetic ( new material same capacities ).
So why would Surya, likely LouiQ, other Fr. spotters & myself
think it relates to a switch to GaN in the canard emitters.
We have to merge 2 timelines.
First, the INCAS PEA ( Advanced Studies Planning ) had begun
working on the switch to GaN in 2009, 4 full years before AESA.
This had surfaced in 2012 with confirmation of work in progress.
Then in September 2015, one of the 2 Rafales at the Bold Quest
2015.2 exercise in Holloman, NM. was spotted with these black
RWR. The next time they appeared was at TEI at Langley, Virginia
in December of the same year.
In between the two, UMS came out with its GaN transmitter June 2013.
And since, Rafales with this peculiarity seem to have been restricted
to sales support and appearing at AeroIndia follows that trend.
The next step in our game would be open to all and consist of posting
pics of Rafales in operation ( Chammal ) sporting the black RWR.
So round 2 ...
The game is afoot, Tay.
P.S. BonPlan mec, it was discussed in one E-Fr place where you hang out!
A- There was no official word ( TMK ) about the switch.
B- It could be only cosmetic ( new material same capacities ).
So why would Surya, likely LouiQ, other Fr. spotters & myself
think it relates to a switch to GaN in the canard emitters.
We have to merge 2 timelines.
First, the INCAS PEA ( Advanced Studies Planning ) had begun
working on the switch to GaN in 2009, 4 full years before AESA.
This had surfaced in 2012 with confirmation of work in progress.
Then in September 2015, one of the 2 Rafales at the Bold Quest
2015.2 exercise in Holloman, NM. was spotted with these black
RWR. The next time they appeared was at TEI at Langley, Virginia
in December of the same year.
In between the two, UMS came out with its GaN transmitter June 2013.
And since, Rafales with this peculiarity seem to have been restricted
to sales support and appearing at AeroIndia follows that trend.
The next step in our game would be open to all and consist of posting
pics of Rafales in operation ( Chammal ) sporting the black RWR.
So round 2 ...
The game is afoot, Tay.
P.S. BonPlan mec, it was discussed in one E-Fr place where you hang out!
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Written by Sushant Singh | New Delhi | Updated: February 27, 2017 8:38 am
Sources said the IAF needed an additional 540 acres of land in the vicinity of the air force station, which would have meant protracted negotiations with nearly 3,200 land owners.
http://indianexpress.com/article/in...her-bases-to-station-rafale-fighters-4545492/
The Indian Air Force (IAF) is set to shelve plans to base the under-procurement 36 Rafale fighters at Sarsawa, near Saharanpur in Uttar Pradesh, because of problems of land acquisition near the airbase. The IAF has begun scouting for alternative airbases to house the two squadrons of its most modern fighter aircraft. “Yes, there is a problem with land acquisition at Sarsawa. We need some additional space which we are unable to get there. Other airbases are being considered by us,” a top military officer confirmed to The Indian Express.
Sources said the IAF needed an additional 540 acres of land in the vicinity of the air force station, which would have meant protracted negotiations with nearly 3,200 land owners. There is no possibility of using the land on the other side which is being used by the Special Frontier Force, a special force raised after the 1962 Sino-Indian war, for its own airborne training programme.
The process of negotiations with the landowners, sources said, will take time while the construction of infrastructure facilities has to start at the earliest since the first Rafale fighter is supposed to be in service in the IAF in September 2019. The full complement of 36 Rafale fighters will be in service by April 2022. The IAF currently has only 33 fighter squadron against an authorisation of 42, and two squadrons of Rafale are critical to managing the shortfall.
Asked about the alternative sites for the Rafale base, the officer said: “No country places its top strategic assets close to the border. We are also looking at suitable options.” Sources said Suratgarh, Bihta and Ambala are currently being considered as alternative airbases for the French fighters. A frontline airbase in Rajasthan, Suratgarh is close to the Pakistan border, while Bihta airbase is near Patna in Bihar. Ambala in Haryana is a fighter base with adequate availability of land, which currently houses Jaguars and MiGs.
Under the Rs 59,000-crore deal signed by India with France last September, Dassault Aviation is contracted to construct infrastructure at the airbase for the 36 fighters. This makes it incumbent upon the IAF to finalise the airbase at the earliest. These French fighters are also likely to be used by the IAF as strategic delivery platforms for aerial delivery of nuclear weapons. That role is currently performed by French Mirage-2000 fighters, which will move out of service in another decade.
Sources said the IAF needed an additional 540 acres of land in the vicinity of the air force station, which would have meant protracted negotiations with nearly 3,200 land owners.
http://indianexpress.com/article/in...her-bases-to-station-rafale-fighters-4545492/
The Indian Air Force (IAF) is set to shelve plans to base the under-procurement 36 Rafale fighters at Sarsawa, near Saharanpur in Uttar Pradesh, because of problems of land acquisition near the airbase. The IAF has begun scouting for alternative airbases to house the two squadrons of its most modern fighter aircraft. “Yes, there is a problem with land acquisition at Sarsawa. We need some additional space which we are unable to get there. Other airbases are being considered by us,” a top military officer confirmed to The Indian Express.
Sources said the IAF needed an additional 540 acres of land in the vicinity of the air force station, which would have meant protracted negotiations with nearly 3,200 land owners. There is no possibility of using the land on the other side which is being used by the Special Frontier Force, a special force raised after the 1962 Sino-Indian war, for its own airborne training programme.
The process of negotiations with the landowners, sources said, will take time while the construction of infrastructure facilities has to start at the earliest since the first Rafale fighter is supposed to be in service in the IAF in September 2019. The full complement of 36 Rafale fighters will be in service by April 2022. The IAF currently has only 33 fighter squadron against an authorisation of 42, and two squadrons of Rafale are critical to managing the shortfall.
Asked about the alternative sites for the Rafale base, the officer said: “No country places its top strategic assets close to the border. We are also looking at suitable options.” Sources said Suratgarh, Bihta and Ambala are currently being considered as alternative airbases for the French fighters. A frontline airbase in Rajasthan, Suratgarh is close to the Pakistan border, while Bihta airbase is near Patna in Bihar. Ambala in Haryana is a fighter base with adequate availability of land, which currently houses Jaguars and MiGs.
Under the Rs 59,000-crore deal signed by India with France last September, Dassault Aviation is contracted to construct infrastructure at the airbase for the 36 fighters. This makes it incumbent upon the IAF to finalise the airbase at the earliest. These French fighters are also likely to be used by the IAF as strategic delivery platforms for aerial delivery of nuclear weapons. That role is currently performed by French Mirage-2000 fighters, which will move out of service in another decade.
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Ambala it is then!
This is a check sign for Indian democracy which should please
those who clamour for it often. And it's one advantage of more
authoritarian or state-defined regimes that they can bypass this
type of problem. China, Russia place bases where they're needed,
period. And large landmass helps as free space for bases abound.
In a perfect democracy with referendums for every new decision
to be made, the base could be erected in the center of a metropolis
if the planes are pretty or rejected altogether if the fighters are ugly.
Uf Widerluege, Tay.
This is a check sign for Indian democracy which should please
those who clamour for it often. And it's one advantage of more
authoritarian or state-defined regimes that they can bypass this
type of problem. China, Russia place bases where they're needed,
period. And large landmass helps as free space for bases abound.
In a perfect democracy with referendums for every new decision
to be made, the base could be erected in the center of a metropolis
if the planes are pretty or rejected altogether if the fighters are ugly.
Uf Widerluege, Tay.
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Ambala will have that chance only if IAF induct more than 6 Sq of Rafale
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LOL, so choosing it would be good news then?
But please give me/us your reasons to think so? It
can't strictly be related to the size of the present base?
The only bug I see about Ambala is that considering his
ego, the new second-in-command of the plant making
the Indian Rafales could want it renamed Ambani-la.
Read you soon, Tay.
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LOL, so choosing it would be good news then?
But please give me/us your reasons to think so? It
can't strictly be related to the size of the present base?
I believe a sq of new fighters will eventually replace Mig-21s stationed over there
The only bug I see about Ambala is that considering his
ego, the new second-in-command of the plant making
the Indian Rafales could want it renamed Ambani-la.
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So? 2 ( INITIAL ) squadrons of Rafale and one of LCAs
maintaining the actual three sqdn format on base
as the Jags are redeployed to support declining qty.
in other bases after Darin III retrofit would fit.
The Jags will be split in half by that work and you
know as well as I do that it's not the 60 Darin II
that will last until 2040. Call it rationalization?
Great day to you, Tay.
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