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Your people and journalists are better than ours believe me. If only you knew what they are saying about our weapons and their Sale to foreign countries.:lol:

@BON PLAN , , @Taygibay, @Vergennes .
il faut laisser parler les gens.:agree:


Il faut arriver à lâcher prise avec « le qu’en dira-t-on » car malgré tous les efforts que tu puisses faire, rien ne pourra arrêter les gens de parler, d’ébruiter des ragots, s’ils en ont envie.:agree:

Donc comme on dit souvent: le chien aboie la caravane passe.:whistle:
Excellent mon ami !

Ah? Je croyais que c'était : Les ciseaux à bois et la caravanne passe.

To non-French speaking PDF members, that's a play on words; untranslatable.

Great day all, Tay.
Funny (for a French). Really funny.
 
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Ah? Je croyais que c'était : Les ciseaux à bois et la caravanne passe.

To non-French speaking PDF members, that's a play on words; untranslatable.

Great day all, Tay.
Excellent mon ami !


Funny (for a French). Really funny.



Tay,dehors. -------------> [_]
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A nice Rafale pic in the Levant for the ending week.

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Good week-end to all. :)
 
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X posting my post.

IN has a separate requirement for 54 jets also, not counting options which is generally the same in size as the first order. In a few months, Rafale MII will be announced for 90 jets and those numbers can easily reach 180 jets for only the IAF.

So our total Rafale purchase is easily between a minimum of 180 and a maximum of 342 between both the IAF and IN.

IAF
Min: 90 (number the IAF wants)
Max: 234 (similar to MKI requirement)

IN
Min: 54
Max: 108
This would happen only if rafale can beat j20 and pakfa
India will order after examine the f3r + Indian modified rafale .

And chances are very rare.

Fgfa coming with magical technologies.

I can say this as a fanboy fgfa.:yes4:
 
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all im suggesting is that poster needs to much more discreet in divulging the information ,learn from some Pak posters they will keep their mouth shut even about JF-17 attaining LGB firing capacity and here we have a poster whose revealing timelines & information of SFC pilots being sent for training n stuff that's not on public domain .........:undecided:
What's the problem with this info bro? It is well known that the SFC will operate part of the Rafale fleet so by extension their pilots will have to be amongst the first trained on the platform. @PARIKRAMA isn't providing the names/ranks/id number of the pilots in question.

I am probably one of the greatest proponents of protecting OPSEC on PDF but I don't see anything wrong with the info that has gone out. The fact of the matter is the IAF will protect these details to the greatest degree possible themselves. To this day it is not known within the public domain how many assets the SFC has under their command at any one time or where these assets are operating from.

This would happen only if rafale can beat j20 and pakfa
India will order after examine the f3r + Indian modified rafale .

And chances are very rare.

Fgfa coming with magical technologies.

I can say this as a fanboy fgfa.:yes4:
FGFA is the replacement for the MKI in the long term, the Rafale is a replacement for the MiG-27 and Jaguar and more aimed at the DPSA role within the IAF. The FGFA is to be primarily utilised (and optimised) for "aerial dominance" (as the IAF terms it).


There is absolutely no way the FGFA, a heavyweight 5th gen Russian plane, will be able to match the Rafale's >75% availability.

It just isn't practical for the FGFA to be the backbone of the IAF, it will be the top most rung of the ladder but will need to be supported by other assets (Rafale, AMCA, LCA and Super MKI).

There is little to no crossover between the Rafale and FGFA and many falsely assert that there will be budgetary/operational competition between these two birds when nothing could be further from the truth.

There is no need for the Rafale to "beat" the PAK-FA, and it WILL shame the J20 in pretty much every way.

X posting my post.

IN has a separate requirement for 54 jets also, not counting options which is generally the same in size as the first order. In a few months, Rafale MII will be announced for 90 jets and those numbers can easily reach 180 jets for only the IAF.

So our total Rafale purchase is easily between a minimum of 180 and a maximum of 342 between both the IAF and IN.

IAF
Min: 90 (number the IAF wants)
Max: 234 (similar to MKI requirement)

IN
Min: 54
Max: 108
54 is barely 3 SQNs worth for the IN. By 2025 the IN will require at least 5-6 carrier SQNs (with war reserves) and by 2030 4-5 more.

It is most bizzare that the IN's requirements are being ignored by the media amongst the frenzy. A carrier is set to enter service in 2018/19 that right now has not got its own air wing even ordered, let alone in the delivery phase. It is being mistakenly assumed that the 3 SQNs of MiG-29K/KUB will be adequate to support 2 carriers when each carrier itself can support 2 full SQNs AND the IN has already stated the 3rd MIG-29K/KUB SQN is to be a shore based OCU for qualifying new naval aviators.

There is going to be a shortfall felt very soon and yet there is a strange silence on the matter, the IN isn't even in talks to order more MiG-29Ks neither does Russia seem to have any hopes of selling more to India so what exactly is the plan?

Before anyone says it, the N-LCA doesn't even come into the equation, it is not going to be a frontline carrier asset for the IN.
 
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FGFA is the replacement for the MKI in the long term, the Rafale is a replacement for the MiG-27 and Jaguar and more aimed at the DPSA role within the IAF. The FGFA is to be primarily utilised (and optimised) for "aerial dominance" (as the IAF terms it).


There is absolutely no way the FGFA, a heavyweight 5th gen Russian plane, will be able to match the Rafale's >75% availability.

It just isn't practical for the FGFA to be the backbone of the IAF, it will be the top most rung of the ladder but will need to be supported by other assets (Rafale, AMCA, LCA and Super MKI).

There is little to no crossover between the Rafale and FGFA and many falsely assert that there will be budgetary/operational competition between these two birds when nothing could be further from the truth.

There is no need for the Rafale to "beat" the PAK-FA, and it WILL shame the J20 in pretty much every war


Agree with u in this way to look,

But 36 will be completed in 2021 .. And further orders in make in india will go to 2030 + time frame if ordered after seeing capabilities of rafale as per arup raha .

In that time frame , India will look china's capability j 20 and j31 ..
Posibaly Pakistan can get j 31 also .
If fgfa or 3 prototypes of pakfa which India would get in 4 bil R/D contract of fgfa parform well India will be saure for amca because transfer of tech ... And they will go for amca .. If any doubt they will order 2-3 more squardon of rafale in fly away condition, if they will be not satisfied they will go for hues order 150+ or make in india
 
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54 is barely 3 SQNs worth for the IN. By 2025 the IN will require at least 5-6 carrier SQNs (with war reserves) and by 2030 4-5 more.

It is most bizzare that the IN's requirements are being ignored by the media amongst the frenzy. A carrier is set to enter service in 2018/19 that right now has not got its own air wing even ordered, let alone in the delivery phase. It is being mistakenly assumed that the 3 SQNs of MiG-29K/KUB will be adequate to support 2 carriers when each carrier itself can support 2 full SQNs AND the IN has already stated the 3rd MIG-29K/KUB SQN is to be a shore based OCU for qualifying new naval aviators.

There is going to be a shortfall felt very soon and yet there is a strange silence on the matter, the IN isn't even in talks to order more MiG-29Ks neither does Russia seem to have any hopes of selling more to India so what exactly is the plan?

Before anyone says it, the N-LCA doesn't even come into the equation, it is not going to be a frontline carrier asset for the IN.

Yes, in total IN needs 150 new fighter aircraft for the 3 carrier force. But the Rafale requirement is over 100 in reality, with about 30 for IAC-1 and about 40 for IAC-2 (more helicopters on IAC-2).

IN may even choose a Rafale+F-35 mix because the Pentagon wants India to buy the F-35 also. So nobody knows what direction they are going in.

And before you attack the F-35, remember that regardless of its shortcomings, it's a really good strike aircraft, that's what it was designed for. So both the Rafale and F-35 can be deployed on a carrier.

Cheers:cheers:, and hopefully India gets its Rafale soon so the forum can obsess with something else:pissed:!!

Not for a few more years unfortunately. After the GTG, there's MII, then the IN GTG, then IN MII etc. We are set until 2020.

But in a few months we will start obsessing over another MRCA, FGFA and AMCA also, so that brings in variety.
 
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The FGFA is to be primarily utilised (and optimised) for "aerial dominance" (as the IAF terms it).

So then you have your IAF's FGFA number at hand! :woot:

Air Dominance is the LM-Pentagon buzzword invented to elevate the Raptor above the rest
in the psyche of the public. It's a psy-ops, induced perception, communication thing.

There are 187 F-22s vs 2,443 planned F-35s for a ratio of 1:13 and a nickel!

If the IAF wants to complete the mimicry, apply that ratio to planned strength!

:partay: Tay.
 
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So then you have your IAF's FGFA number at hand! :woot:

154 MII. Possibly 60-65 more from Russian lines for their version.

Air Dominance is the LM-Pentagon buzzword invented to elevate the Raptor above the rest
in the psyche of the public.

The IAF is actually serious about their terms. It was used for the MKI to separate it from the Mig-21 and Mig-29 'air superiority' aircraft.

There are 187 F-22s vs 2,443 planned F-35s for a ratio of 1:13 and a nickel!

If the IAF wants to complete the mimicry, apply that ratio to planned strength!

:partay: Tay.

It should have been 750 and 2443. So now we have to see if 2443 will be achieved or will go the F-22 way.

Anyway, the FGFA will eventually be 1/3rd of the fleet and similar to the ratio of 1:3.25 the USAF wanted for their F-22/F-35 fleet.
 
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