Dassault Rafale, tender | News & Discussions [Thread 2]

[Spectre]

Palau is a nuclear armed nation

Wait! It isn't?

 

[Ind4Ever]

Psst. Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.

While India is not, France is a part to the NPT and therefor abides by the rules set forth within it... rules that include no exporting or jointly developing nuclear capable delivery systems..

France will not transfer ASMP-A missiles to India but it can carry Nukes. Under ground transfer pls

 

[Agent_47]

The IAF itself. The numbers are generally between 54 and 59 depending on who you ask and has been rounded off to 60 squadrons. But this was back in the 1950s, still unchanged.

Eventually the IAF decided to maintain 45 squadrons as their minimum necessary due to the realities of our situation, and that didn't happen until this century with the govt sanctioning 42 squadrons.

Personally, with the addition of a large number of attack helicopters and UCAVs, we may not need that many. But this is the IAF we are talking about, so you never know.

China and Pakistan will both be well behind us as and when our jets start coming in.

I have seen @vstrol stating sanctioned strength as 45 sq. Whatever the number 'multirole' aspect will make requirements minimum (as we have discussed before). That being said, dedicated electronic attack platforms will be a force multiplier like E/A-18G. MKI would be a nice candidate for the modifications. Chinese are already doing it.

 

[mike2000 is back]

In case some didn't notice,under the Rafale we can see a ASMP/A missile,which is the french strategic forces nuclear air-launched cruise missile.

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Who is Norway ?
Never heard of him.

Frero, j'ai eu une notification que tu m'a mentionné? mais je vois rien ici.
Huh.....Je fais des rêves où tout va bien?

 

[Vergennes]

Frero, j'ai eu une notification que tu m'a mentionné? mais je vois rien ici.
Huh.....Je fais des rêves où tout va bien?

What's happening tonight,why is everyone seeing things that never existed or never happened ?
First @Norge Stronk and now you ?

 

[randomradio]

Could you be kind enough to elaborate ? Perhaps , venture a qualitative estimate of their air forces circa 2025 - 2030 ?

Even though the Chinese have more numbers, we are qualitatively ahead by a significant margin. For example, they are only now getting ESA radars while we have been operating them for over 15 years.

Our procurement of Rafales will give us the same advantage we had in 2002 with the MKIs. A better aircraft than any of our adversaries's. When they start fielding AESA radars in numbers along with other types of 5th gen avionics, we will have more advanced and mature technologies on the Rafale.

And that advantage will only get better with the Super 30 upgrade and the FGFA.

Plus, the geography is in our advantage because we can take off with full loads, the Chinese can't.

And there's no point comparing the PAF with the IAF. Even our LCAs will be far more advanced than anything they can field over the next decade. The Israelis will develop a digital radar for the LCA Mk1A, the PAF will be lucky to get a decent analog radar for their JF-17s in the meanwhile. They are unable to match up with current gen MKIs today, whereas the upgraded ones will be far beyond their expectations. And with the FGFA we will get a 20+ year lead over them. By 2030, our IN's air wing will be more powerful than the PAF.

 

[Norge Stronk]

That being said, dedicated electronic attack platforms will be a force multiplier like E/A-18G. MKI would be a nice candidate for the modifications.

If you're going to do it, do it right. The E/A-18G was the wrong replacement for an aircraft that didn't need one. The MKI or J-XX variants are great multi-role platforms, but they've nothing on a platform like the EA-6B. And if you're going to make a carrier-based electronic support platform, this is the way to go.

Greater range, payload, defensive capabilities and fuel economy versus the E/A-18G... retired in 2015 and they shouldn't have been. Don't make the mistake of making a half-*ssed platform like the J-XX or Growler.

 

[randomradio]

Good call, French Bread. Everything on PDF is overly emotional and put forth by ignorant fools... so what else does someone expect here?

For instance, talk crap on Norway and. Totally measured response by PDF standards, but kind of emotional and nationalistic. And don't even get me started on the quality of my posts.


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Also, this damn thing is still going on. Yeah alright, I'll check back in a few months for some progress.

At least the IN got the anchor out of its pants (apart from its sub procurement).

Sven?

 

[Norge Stronk]

Sven?

Is Swedish not Norwegian.

 

[randomradio]

Compared to current missile ASMP, the ASMPA would offer a greater range (500 to 600 km) and a greater diversity of trajectories, including final penetrations maneuvers at very low altitude. This missile, the successor to the ASMP carried by the Mirage 2000N and Super Etendard Modernized (SEM), is equipped with the new airborne nuclear warhead (TNA) with a power of 300 kilotons. With an estimated range of 500 kilometers at high-altitude, ASMPA is powered by a ramjet, which gives it a higher speed of around Mach 3. Capable of flying very low, it has penetration capacity and increased accuracy compared to its predecessor. This missile is implemented by the Mirage 2000N, Rafale Air and Navy Rafale.

And this could make our Mirage fleet even more deadlier . But why only 54 bought by France? These missiles can be used for conventional missions at large scale. Stand alone range 500-600 km with 300 kg war heads at Mach 3

$11M a missile. Too expensive for conventional missions.

If you're going to do it, do it right. The E/A-18G was the wrong replacement for an aircraft that didn't need one. The MKI or J-XX variants are great multi-role platforms, but they've nothing on a platform like the EA-6B. And if you're going to make a carrier-based electronic support platform, this is the way to go.

Greater range, payload, defensive capabilities and fuel economy versus the E/A-18G... retired in 2015 and they shouldn't have been. Don't make the mistake of making a half-*ssed platform like the J-XX or Growler.

@Picdelamirand-oil says these aircraft are obsolete compared to the Rafale.

 

[Norge Stronk]

@Picdelamirand-oil says these aircraft are obsolete compared to the Rafale.

Good for him.

With the way he hawks the Rafale I'm sure everything is obsolete against it in his mind.

 

[randomradio]

Good for him.

With the way he hawks the Rafale I'm sure everything is obsolete against it in his mind.

Hey, an aircraft that does better than the Prowler and can also dog fight is a winner.

It's worth hawking.

 

[PARIKRAMA]

If you're going to do it, do it right. The E/A-18G was the wrong replacement for an aircraft that didn't need one. The MKI or J-XX variants are great multi-role platforms, but they've nothing on a platform like the EA-6B. And if you're going to make a carrier-based electronic support platform, this is the way to go.

Greater range, payload, defensive capabilities and fuel economy versus the E/A-18G... retired in 2015 and they shouldn't have been. Don't make the mistake of making a half-*ssed platform like the J-XX or Growler.

See this is why i wanted you back in main account.. you can be selective in choosing what thread to reply or post but then when you post, you always post good.

Sven?

Is Swedish not Norwegian.

https://defence.pk/members/technogaianist.170351/

NATO supreme commander of Norweigian Viking Fleet.

The one who made the small nation Palau a nuclear state ...

When she is in good mood you get cup cakes, pastries, pies and all sweet tasty stuff.. When she is in bad mood, the ban hammer rolls and asterisks in many sentences flows ......

 

[Ind4Ever]

$11M a missile. Too expensive for conventional missions.



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why so much? We make brahmos at 3 million.

 

[randomradio]

why so much? We make brahmos at 3 million.

Too few made + French costs + some extra tech.