Dassault Rafale, tender | News & Discussions [Thread 2]

[Gregor Clegane]

Who knows how much it will cost!

 

[Abingdonboy]

Oh a small news.. Dassault questioned the MOD of financial capability of Reliance Defence aerospace divison as Anil Ambani groups financial numbers are a worry. So DA wishes to have a strong partner or a solid backing of Reliance Defence company or a consortium. Murmurs are there that Tata is being looked at but it's very initial snippet. Chances are high that a government backed company or a group of company will finally get the nod.

I've been skeptical of Reliance's involvement from the outset but thought it DA conducted their due dilligence and cleared a JV with Reliance then it wasn't a concern. But now if DA are questioning Reliance's involvement in the MII then one should be worried.

TATA seems out (close ties with American defence OEMs) so M&M and L&T can be brought in but PLEASE not a PSU, the whole point is to create an Indian Boeing, not another HAL.

Surely this adds quite a bit of time to the MII talks as finding a suitable Indian production agency is going to take a while and the entire MII process is highly dependant on this aspect.


Once again, please please not a PSU, that simply doesn't fit with Make in India/Skill India.

 

[randomradio]

Who knows how much it will cost!

Most likely 7.3B euros. So about $228M per jet.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Most likely 7.3B euros. So about $228M per jet.

Please sir, do not induldge the idiots who would look to come up with a unit price using such a deceiving method (total project cost/number of units), this does NOT give an accurate unit cost at all.

 

[proud_indian]

TATA seems out (close ties with American defence OEMs) so M&M and L&T can be brought in but PLEASE not a PSU, the whole point is to create an Indian Boeing, not another HAL.

Can't it be a trilateral arrangement between DA, HAL and TATA/RELIANCE/L&T/MAHINDRA?

 

[randomradio]

Please sir, do not induldge the idiots who would look to come up with a unit price using such a deceiving method (total project cost/number of units), this does NOT give an accurate unit cost at all.

It's okay. The deal will be signed soon and Parrikar will make it a point to give us a peak at the breakup of the cost structure.

Until then these people can have their short-lived fun. It will drown out their voice when the celebration begins.

 

[sathya]

Even though more than 50 billion dollars are going to spent. Leakage of secrets stresses the basics of having own programs . Like Uttam aesa. Lca. Emb awacs.

Hope rafale brings much on the table.
Thank God deal not done in
UPA.

 

[Blue Marlin]

@PARIKRAMA its nearly September, when shall i expect it to be signed for. what would happen if it drags on beyond september or even to october

 

[The Eagle]

@PARIKRAMA its nearly September, when shall i expect it to be signed for. what would happen if it drags on beyond september or even to october

Seems like the case, the latter, as one can think about delay due to last Sub leak as well that may effect the progress. @PARIKRAMA

 

[Blue Marlin]

Seems like the case, the latter, as one can think about delay due to last Sub leak as well that may effect the progress. @PARIKRAMA

im thinking when will there be a point when the french say "just sign it ! " @Vergennes @Taygibay what do you guys think?
the deal is on the indian side now. for the french its just a game of how many bottles of wine will be used whilst waiting for the deal to be signed?

 

[randomradio]

im thinking when will there be a point when the french say "just sign it ! " @Vergennes @Taygibay what do you guys think?
the deal is on the indian side now. for the french its just a game of how many bottles of wine will be used whilst waiting for the deal to be signed?

They might defer it for sometime, they will have to double check security of the Rafale deal to the satisfaction of the opposition parties in India.

 

[Vergennes]

im thinking when will there be a point when the french say "just sign it ! " @Vergennes @Taygibay what do you guys think?
the deal is on the indian side now.

Don't we say "Patience is a virtue" ?

for the french its just a game of how many bottles of wine will be used whilst waiting for the deal to be signed?

We had a strategy,it was to make the indians drink much wine so that we sign the deal secretly. But as a french would never resist to wine,we are worried that we may all end up drunk and see our plans fail. @Nilgiri @PARIKRAMA

 

[The Eagle]

im thinking when will there be a point when the french say "just sign it !

Well, by going through the details and sources, even herein, French was saying the same since the first day but it was Indian side that has been negotiating since that long only to reduce the cost/price and still the ball is at Indian court.

However, this new leak may effect a bit of more delay in this project including the Money thing so IMO, there will be more delay(s). Just look at 302 pages of this thread alone.

 

[Nilgiri]

We had a strategy,it was to make the indians drink much wine so that we sign the deal secretly. But as a french would never resist to wine,we are worried that we may all end up drunk and see our plans fail.

I just wish you French somehow taught those snobby Brits a lesson under Napoleon. That was the best chance anyone had in history!

 

[PARIKRAMA]

@Vergennes - You did get the invite officially for .................
If you give out the travel dates or month.. all will then take a sigh of relief ..

@Blue Marlin