Dassault Rafale, tender | News & Discussions [Thread 2]

[scholseys]

 

[Donald Trump]

Deal by 2325? Hopefully!

Till then...

 

[Skull and Bones]

We should seriously think about F-18SH at this time of need.

 

[C130]

this whole fiasco

 

[Hell hound]

so France is demanding $13.3 billion while you guys are willing to pay $10 billion its still huge sum for just 36 jets man

 

[C130]

We should seriously think about F-18SH at this time of need.

this should of happened back in 2008.

 

[Tshering22]

This means we will order more Su-30MKIs instead of Rafales and ultimately drop it.

Dassault found its new customer in Egypt and has opened up new areas. Most likely they won't budge.

 

[Bheemsen]

this should of happened back in 2008.

Yes F18Sh is way to go , TOT or no TOT IAF needs new birds in 13 billion 100 F18Sh will come easily.

 

[jetray]

We should seriously think about F-18SH at this time of need.

Well India wont buy F18's but might just bait US to see french response.

This means we will order more Su-30MKIs instead of Rafales and ultimately drop it.
Dassault found its new customer in Egypt and has opened up new areas. Most likely they won't budge.

India is long term market, its just not about aircraft. Probably french are confident that once selection has been made they can jack up the price.

 

[Hell hound]

This means we will order more Su-30MKIs instead of Rafales and ultimately drop it.

Dassault found its new customer in Egypt and has opened up new areas. Most likely they won't budge.

thank you guys from saving us from those french avionics or they will be milking us to extremes until last operational thunder.not saying that you should but at 10 billion you guys can buy 115 f 16s with full spare support and JHMCS and there is no way 36 rafale can compete with 115 f16 block 52 let alone f16 i or f 18.

 

[Brahmaputra Mail]

When you see an exciting offer by a company and go all gung-ho without noticing the asterisk (*).

This (*) is the bane of all consumers.

 

[C130]

Yes F18Sh is way to go , TOT or no TOT IAF needs new birds in 13 billion 100 F18Sh will come easily.

I can see a lot of ToT but not full ToT.

one major ToT would be the GE-414 engine which is used not only by the F/A 18 Super Hornet, but also the LCA MK 2.

I doubt it would cost 13 billion for 100 birds, but I guess it would come down to how many India wants to buy off the shelf from Boeing and how much it would cost build them in India.

either way half of the contract will go back into India as off-set clause.

No way . The F18 comes with lot of restrictions. BECA,CISMOA,LSA, EULA etc. Plus it was kicked out of MMRCA for obvious reasons. I would stick with the rafale.

*restrictions* that isn't a sure thing.

you went from a 126 tender to it being scrapped, then you went to buying 36 fighters without building a single one in India.

and what are these obvious reasons?? no doubt the F/A 18 wasn't the best dog fighting aircraft in the competition, but when you have hundreds of Su-30MKI that is your air superiority fighter this isn't that big of a problem.

you got fleeced by the Russians and now you are getting gouged by the French.

seems like this whole program was a red herring

 

[Alphacharlie]

Very Good Mr. Parikar - Thank you.

This a Buyer Market ---- You Dont give me Right Price, I aint Gonna Buy!!

Mr, Parikar is know to be most scroogest Negotiator. When he was Goa Chief minister his state was the only state where Petrol was selling at 50Rs when others we at 68Rs.

Proud of you Parikar Sir.

 

[Vergennes]

Funny........... And how are we going to explain the Egyptians and the Qataris that we sold "cheaper" Rafale to India ?
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Let's go for one more year !
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This means we will order more Su-30MKIs instead of Rafales and ultimately drop it.

Dassault found its new customer in Egypt and has opened up new areas. Most likely they won't budge.

Of course France is in better position than it was in ~2012!

 

[ConcealCarry]

As the wise men say, never bite more than you can swallow, either you choke to death or be embarrassed to throw up.
A decade long claims of unlimited resources and bloated statements of "india can buy anything, anytime, in any quantity"...LOL and these shameless guys would come in hordes to still claim 36 is the initial order with 150 more to follow......

SOURCE: Ajai Shukla | Business-standard.com

Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar bluntly stated on Thursday that negotiations for buying 36 Rafale fighters from French aerospace vendor, Dassault, were deadlocked on the issue of price, and that no deal would be signed until the price was right.

Well-informed defence ministry sources that are close to the negotiation say there is a wide gulf between the two sides. “The difference between what France is demanding and what India is willing to pay is too large to bridge easily – about 25 per cent.”

Business Standard understands that Dassault has quoted about Rs 91,548 crore, while Indian negotiators are refusing to go above Rs 68,499 crore.

Parrikar told India Today TV: “Price is the problem which has to be resolved. Unless I get the right price, I cannot sign.”

Debunking recent media articles that a deal was imminent, most recently in Hindustan Times on February 11, Parrikar said ironing out the remaining issues would take “a few months”.

Pressed on the question of time-frame, Parrikar responded: “You can’t commit yourself to a time, because this is not a negotiation for a few hundred crores. This is thousands of crores. I should not… put a time line on my price negotiation.”

On January 25, during his visit to Delhi, French President Francois Hollande declared after signing an inter-governmental agreement for the supply of 36 Rafales, “There are some financial issues that will be sorted out in a couple of days…” It now appears he may have been speaking figuratively.

On January 27, French ambassador to New Delhi, Francois Richier, put a deadline of four months for the price to be negotiated.

On Thrursday, Parrikar also confirmed that India had demanded offsets worth 50 per cent of the deal value, and that Dassault had agreed to that condition.

“We have resolved all the other issues. There were terms of guarantees, there were terms of supply, there were terms of how it will be done”, said Parrikar.

The defence minister denied that the window was open for buying more Rafale fighters, beyond the 36 being currently negotiated. “As of now, the negotiation is for 36 (fighters). There are many possibilities, but this deal is for 36”, he said.

When Prime Minister Narendra Modi, on a visit to Paris last April, requested for 36 Rafales, New Delhi and had Paris agreed the price would be less than what Dassault had quoted in response to the Indian tender of 2007 for 126 medium multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA). Of those 126 fighters, the first 18 were to be supplied in “flyaway condition”, i.e. fully built. Since 36 Rafales are now being bought in “flyaway condition”, their per-piece price must be lower than what Dassault quoted for those 18 fighters.

The Indian Air Force had chosen the Rafale on January 31, 2012, in India’s tender for 126 MMRCA aircraft. However, in protracted price negotiations that followed, the defence ministry found problems in Dassault’s financial bid. Eventually, Modi chose to abandon the MMRCA tender, and instead buy 36 Rafales over-the-counter.

hahaha as they say, when you spit facing up, you get to lick it back.......

We should seriously think about F-18SH at this time of need.