Dassault Rafale, tender | News & Discussions [Thread 2]

[C130]

The main reason for conducting the MMRCA was to see the best product available and to gauge each aircraft's potential.

India is trying to purchase the Rafales for good reason : Nuclear delivery. (US : No ... No)

The rafale M version is offered for the Indian Navy's IAC-II.

To buy good product one has to take its time.

that's just an excuse to save face.

 

[Bheemsen]

As the wise men say, never bite more than you can swallow, either you choke to death or be embarrassed to throw up.
A decade long claims of unlimited resources and bloated statements of "india can buy anything, anytime, in any quantity"...LOL and these shameless guys would come in hordes to still claim 36 is the initial order with 150 more to follow......




hahaha as they say, when you spit facing up, you get to lick it back.......

I have have lot of money in my Fat purse dosent mean i would pay 3 times cost for anything , We are Baniyaa race dont forget pai pai ka Hisab karange and this govt is not there to fill its coffers like congress they want to spend defense money wisely and appropriately.

 

[ConcealCarry]

by "long-term" you mean it takes a very long time for nothing to happen!

Well India wont buy F18's but might just bait US to see french response.


India is long term market, its just not about aircraft. Probably french are confident that once selection has been made they can jack up the price.

 

[$@rJen]

so France is demanding $13.3 billion while you guys are willing to pay $10 billion its still huge sum for just 36 jets man

Qatar and Egypt paid 7 billion for 24 Jets... don't you think that's heavy price too!!! Sir the ting is the package includes Weapons, infra and life cycle costs and france should also have to invest 50% of that in india. if we pay 10 billion for 36 then its less than what the Arabs paid

 

[#hydra#]

Nice. No need to surrender tax payers money on fancy rafale,su34,mki,lca combo can make havoc on enemy.

 

[jetray]

by "long-term" you mean it takes a very long time for nothing to happen or india buys 126 fighters every year?

Mate its $10 billion deal , it will take time. Money does not grow on trees its our hard earned money.
Well you see these are not f16's which come free and on time.

 

[INDIAISM]

by "long-term" you mean it takes a very long time for nothing to happen!

By long term means we intially ordered 50 su 30 in 1996 today that number has increased to 272...

 

[Oldman1]

 

[Shabi1]

When you want complete local production and transfer of technology, of course price will be higher than off the shelf price. Add to the fact that ordered number is just 36. India should be prepared to pay higher price than Egypt and Qatar, not lower.

 

[帅的一匹]

This deal'd been postponed too long, it becomes farce.

 

[Oldman1]

When you want complete local production and transfer of technology, of course price will be higher than off the shelf price. Add to the fact that ordered number is just 36. India should be prepared to pay higher price than Egypt and Qatar, not lower.

Taking technology from the Rafale, it be worth it. Talking many years of research and development as well as money involved.

 

[帅的一匹]

When you want complete local production and transfer of technology, of course price will be higher than off the shelf price. Add to the fact that ordered number is just 36. India should be prepared to pay higher price than Egypt and Qatar, not lower.

Indians think the whole world will give them discount to them because they have money in the pocket. In the high end military aviation market, there is no buyer market.

 

[Dungeness]

It is becoming a Never Ending Story. Indian MoD should really look into their practice of conducting military procurement, as it has become a pattern to have countless announcements, delays, cancellations when it comes to arm purchases. They seem to enjoying the process of negotiation a little too much, and forgot the purpose of the negotiation. Buying something shouldn't have been this painful. Come on, if Egypt can do it, India should be able to do it too.

 

[PARIKRAMA]

Ajai Shukla is back with another piece to hit on Rafale

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SOURCE: Ajai Shukla | Business-standard.com



Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar bluntly stated on Thursday that negotiations for buying 36 Rafale fighters from French aerospace vendor, Dassault, were deadlocked on the issue of price, and that no deal would be signed until the price was right.

Well-informed defence ministry sources that are close to the negotiation say there is a wide gulf between the two sides. "The difference between what France is demanding and what India is willing to pay is too large to bridge easily - about 25 per cent."

Business Standard understands that Dassault has quoted about Rs 91,548 crore, while Indian negotiators are refusing to go above Rs 68,499 crore.

Parrikar told India Today TV: "Price is the problem which has to be resolved. Unless I get the right price, I cannot sign."

Debunking recent media articles that a deal was imminent, most recently in Hindustan Times on February 11, Parrikar said ironing out the remaining issues would take "a few months".

Pressed on the question of time-frame, Parrikar responded: "You can't commit yourself to a time, because this is not a negotiation for a few hundred crores. This is thousands of crores. I should not… put a time line on my price negotiation."

On January 25, during his visit to Delhi, French President Francois Hollande declared after signing an inter-governmental agreement for the supply of 36 Rafales, "There are some financial issues that will be sorted out in a couple of days…" It now appears he may have been speaking figuratively.

On January 27, French ambassador to New Delhi, Francois Richier, put a deadline of four months for the price to be negotiated.

On Thrursday, Parrikar also confirmed that India had demanded offsets worth 50 per cent of the deal value, and that Dassault had agreed to that condition.

"We have resolved all the other issues. There were terms of guarantees, there were terms of supply, there were terms of how it will be done", said Parrikar.

The defence minister denied that the window was open for buying more Rafale fighters, beyond the 36 being currently negotiated. "As of now, the negotiation is for 36 (fighters). There are many possibilities, but this deal is for 36", he said.

When Prime Minister Narendra Modi, on a visit to Paris last April, requested for 36 Rafales, New Delhi and had Paris agreed the price would be less than what Dassault had quoted in response to the Indian tender of 2007 for 126 medium multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA). Of those 126 fighters, the first 18 were to be supplied in "flyaway condition", i.e. fully built. Since 36 Rafales are now being bought in "flyaway condition", their per-piece price must be lower than what Dassault quoted for those 18 fighters.

The Indian Air Force had chosen the Rafale on January 31, 2012, in India's tender for 126 MMRCA aircraft. However, in protracted price negotiations that followed, the defence ministry found problems in Dassault's financial bid. Eventually, Modi chose to abandon the MMRCA tender, and instead buy 36 Rafales over-the-counter.


Source: No Rafale deal unless price is right: Parrikar | Business Standard News

 

[帅的一匹]

It is becoming a Never Ending Story. Indian MoD should really look into their practice of conducting military procurement, as it has become a pattern to have countless announcements, delays, cancellations when it comes to arm purchases. They seem to enjoying the process of negotiation a little too much, and forgot the purpose of the negotiation. Buying something shouldn't have been this painful. Come on, if Egypt can do it, India should be able to do it too.

He had forgotten the purpose of being MOD! He becomes the minister of negotiator. It buys lots of time for Pakistan.