CZ OFFICIAL CONFIRMS NEGOTIATION AGREEMENT WITH PAKISTAN

[niaz]

As I have posted before, replacing main assault rifle is a very expensive exercise and once selected, you are stuck with it for the next 30 to 40 years.

Even at the licence produced cost of $1,000/- per unit, 500 K rifles cost $500-milliion! Therefore the new rifle must show a significant improvement over G3 & type 56 else its waste of effort and money.

Most important factors being that the rifle should be idiot proof (reliable with very little maintenance and easy to train on), have a decent range and accuracy, cheap to build and durable enough to survive 15 to 20 years of tough operational life.

We don’t need to have the best of the best. Instead we need the maximum bang for our buck. Pak Army is therefore justified in taking a long time before the final decision

 

[Arsalan]

As I have posted before, replacing main assault rifle is a very expensive exercise and once selected, you are stuck with it for the next 30 to 40 years.

Even at the licence produced cost of $1,000/- per unit, 500 K rifles cost $500-milliion! Therefore the new rifle must show a significant improvement over G3 & type 56 else its waste of effort and money.

Most important factors being that the rifle should be idiot proof (reliable with very little maintenance and easy to train on), have a decent range and accuracy, cheap to build and durable enough to survive 15 to 20 years of tough operational life.

We don’t need to have the best of the best. Instead we need the maximum bang for our buck. Pak Army is therefore justified in taking a long time before the final decision

The part in red, sir, is what our fanboys simply fail to understand.

Thank you for repeating it for everyone to see and try to understand.

 

[Zarvan]

The part in red, sir, is what our fanboys simply fail to understand.

Thank you for repeating it for everyone to see and try to understand.

Sorry but Army is looking for best of the best. Otherwise 20 companies wanted to come we invited only 5. There were lot of easy and cheaper options in those 15 which we didn't invited.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

As I have posted before, replacing main assault rifle is a very expensive exercise and once selected, you are stuck with it for the next 30 to 40 years.

Even at the licence produced cost of $1,000/- per unit, 500 K rifles cost $500-milliion! Therefore the new rifle must show a significant improvement over G3 & type 56 else its waste of effort and money.

Most important factors being that the rifle should be idiot proof (reliable with very little maintenance and easy to train on), have a decent range and accuracy, cheap to build and durable enough to survive 15 to 20 years of tough operational life.

We don’t need to have the best of the best. Instead we need the maximum bang for our buck. Pak Army is therefore justified in taking a long time before the final decision

The part in red, sir, is what our fanboys simply fail to understand.

Thank you for repeating it for everyone to see and try to understand.

Heads up, the French National Gendarmerie Intervention Group (GIGN) selected the 7.62x39 mm version of the BREN to replace their HK416. Not a bad endorsement.

https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/special-operations/sofins-french-gign-gets-new-rifle/

 

[Path-Finder]

The part in red, sir, is what our fanboys simply fail to understand.

Thank you for repeating it for everyone to see and try to understand.

Fanboys of so called "best of the best" is coming up short on a global scale, once again I would like to thank @El Fuego for bringing it to our attention.

 

[Zarvan]

Fanboys of so called "best of the best" is coming up short on a global scale, once again I would like to thank @El Fuego for bringing it to our attention.

SCAR presence is growing in the world. Most Special Forces are adopting SCAR and mostly special forces are considered best weapons in the world and are you sure SCAR was at fault in Peru trials what if it turns some other company tried to bribe Peru guys.

 

[Path-Finder]

SCAR presence is growing in the world. Most Special Forces are adopting SCAR and mostly special forces are considered best weapons in the world and are you sure SCAR was at fault in Peru trials what if it turns some other company tried to bribe Peru guys.

ok Hazrat SCAR SCAR is the best rifle in Trials

 

[Arsalan]

Sorry but Army is looking for best of the best. Otherwise 20 companies wanted to come we invited only 5. There were lot of easy and cheaper options in those 15 which we didn't invited.

What you call the best of the best is perhaps not like that, best of the best do not get rejected by some militaries, shelved by others and cried about by some others. Still awaiting your comment on how could you have missed that about SCAR? Purposely?

Furthermore, it is merely your wishful thinking that they are going for the best for the best, bang for the buck is what we have ALWAYS KEPT IN MIND and we are not going to let it go now. The gun that meets our needs at the minimum price will be finalized. If you have comprehension problems, I will break it down for you:
1. Meet our needs
2. Best price
These are the things that will be looked at, in this order. If you are of the view that PA will go for the most expensive gun while there is equally good option available in similar price then you are grossly mistaken and need to block a few guys on facebook, pronto!!

Heads up, the French National Gendarmerie Intervention Group (GIGN) selected the 7.62x39 mm version of the BREN to replace their HK416. Not a bad endorsement.

https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/special-operations/sofins-french-gign-gets-new-rifle/

Yup, a whole thread and a LENGHTYYYYY debate about this going on already. Here is the thread:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/sofins-french-gign-gets-new-rifle.486701/

SCAR presence is growing in the world. Most Special Forces are adopting SCAR and mostly special forces are considered best weapons in the world

EXACTLY!! Special Forces!!!! SPECIAL FORCES

and are you sure SCAR was at fault in Peru trials what if it turns some other company tried to bribe Peru guys.

Are YOU sure that FN have not tried to bribe Pakistan guys in our trials?

Dont be an idiot and do not apply different set of standards in different situation and then compare them just because they suite you. If FN SCAR got kicked in Peru because some other company may have bribed the authorities it is EQUALLY possible that they learned form that mistake and have bribed our officials this time around. If you want to apply logic (or not apply it as in this case) do it the same for both cases.

Fanboys of so called "best of the best" is coming up short on a global scale, once again I would like to thank @El Fuego for bringing it to our attention.

Yes indeed. Plus as i said, there are MULTIPLE complaints surfacing.

 

[Zarvan]

What you call the best of the best is perhaps not like that, best of the best do not get rejected by some militaries, shelved by others and cried about by some others. Still awaiting your comment on how could you have missed that about SCAR? Purposely?

Furthermore, it is merely your wishful thinking that they are going for the best for the best, bang for the buck is what we have ALWAYS KEPT IN MIND and we are not going to let it go now. The gun that meets our needs at the minimum price will be finalized. If you have comprehension problems, I will break it down for you:
1. Meet our needs
2. Best price
These are the things that will be looked at, in this order. If you are of the view that PA will go for the most expensive gun while there is equally good option available in similar price then you are grossly mistaken and need to block a few guys on facebook, pronto!!


Yup, a whole thread and a LENGHTYYYYY debate about this going on already. Here is the thread:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/sofins-french-gign-gets-new-rifle.486701/





EXACTLY!! Special Forces!!!! SPECIAL FORCES


Are YOU sure that FN have not tried to bribe Pakistan guys in our trials?

Dont be an idiot and do not apply different set of standards in different situation and then compare them just because they suite you. If FN SCAR got kicked in Peru because some other company may have bribed the authorities it is EQUALLY possible that they learned form that mistake and have bribed our officials this time around. If you want to apply logic (or not apply it as in this case) do it the same for both cases.


Yes indeed. Plus as i said, there are MULTIPLE complaints surfacing.

First I didn't missed anything about SCAR. Secondly most countries are adopting SCAR for there special forces. Nobody is denying that SCAR is expensive Gun but Pakistan has the money and we are ready to pay the price to get this Rifle for every Army soldier of Pakistan not just SSG or LCB. And as for best of the best yes we are going for best of the best like I said there were other options too which were less costly and more easy to procure but we didn't even thought about them and refused. So if this can't make you understand than nothing will.

 

[Arsalan]

First I didn't missed anything about SCAR. Secondly most countries are adopting SCAR for there special forces. Nobody is denying that SCAR is expensive Gun but Pakistan has the money and we are ready to pay the price to get this Rifle for every Army soldier of Pakistan not just SSG or LCB. And as for best of the best yes we are going for best of the best like I said there were other options too which were less costly and more easy to procure but we didn't even thought about them and refused. So if this can't make you understand than nothing will.

I guess you do not even bother to read the complete post once you see/assume that it have something to do with a gun other than SCAR?

Here, READ it AGAIN!!
Let me know if you want it simplified further:

Furthermore, it is merely your wishful thinking that they are going for the best for the best, bang for the buck is what we have ALWAYS KEPT IN MIND and we are not going to let it go now. The gun that meets our needs at the minimum price will be finalized. If you have comprehension problems, I will break it down for you:
1. Meet our needs
2. Best price
These are the things that will be looked at, in this order. If you are of the view that PA will go for the most expensive gun while there is equally good option available in similar price then you are grossly mistaken and need to block a few guys on facebook, pronto!!

I do not see any complex thing in this, it is pretty much clear. Performance and Price. Once performance meet our requirement, we check the price. If you think it is any other way i suggest you ban those kids on FB now!

 

[Path-Finder]

What you call the best of the best is perhaps not like that, best of the best do not get rejected by some militaries, shelved by others and cried about by some others. Still awaiting your comment on how could you have missed that about SCAR? Purposely?

Furthermore, it is merely your wishful thinking that they are going for the best for the best, bang for the buck is what we have ALWAYS KEPT IN MIND and we are not going to let it go now. The gun that meets our needs at the minimum price will be finalized. If you have comprehension problems, I will break it down for you:
1. Meet our needs
2. Best price
These are the things that will be looked at, in this order. If you are of the view that PA will go for the most expensive gun while there is equally good option available in similar price then you are grossly mistaken and need to block a few guys on facebook, pronto!!


Yup, a whole thread and a LENGHTYYYYY debate about this going on already. Here is the thread:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/sofins-french-gign-gets-new-rifle.486701/





EXACTLY!! Special Forces!!!! SPECIAL FORCES


Are YOU sure that FN have not tried to bribe Pakistan guys in our trials?

Dont be an idiot and do not apply different set of standards in different situation and then compare them just because they suite you. If FN SCAR got kicked in Peru because some other company may have bribed the authorities it is EQUALLY possible that they learned form that mistake and have bribed our officials this time around. If you want to apply logic (or not apply it as in this case) do it the same for both cases.


Yes indeed. Plus as i said, there are MULTIPLE complaints surfacing.

If i may add, in the other pinned thread I posted a quote from the firearms blog where a chap from Peru gave an insight, One thing that struck me the most is during an OP a Mi-8 got shot down or it crashed! From the wreckage they are able to recover the israeli Galil rifles however none of the SCAR survived!! that is quite bad for FN's rep that a outdated galil survived and SCAR did not!

Before Hazrat jumps to defend the Honor of SCAR; SCAR is the best rifle in Trials

 

[Daghalodi]

I hope CZ can introduce their P series handguns for civilian gun market which is dead right now

 

[niaz]

What is the per unit cost of this rifle?

I came across this link

https://gundigest.com/reviews/cz-805-bren-s1-carbine-review-guns-rifles

This is a discussion about 5.56mm CZ-805. Here it is mentioned that retail price of the CZ-805 in the USA is $1,999/- whereas Scar 16 sells for $2, 995.

In other words, CZ-805 being about 33% less expensive, one is likely to save nearly about $500-million for 500 thousand rifles. Licence production means cheaper rifles, but even if we save $250-million, it is a lot of money that could be spent elsewhere.

 

[Imran Khan]

Instead of doing lol know exactly what is going on you won't do lol than

SCAR NA KHAAPY

 

[Areesh]

Jeevay Jeevay CZ
Scar Murdabad