CV-18 Fujian - Type 003 Aircraft Carrier News & Discussions

[kungfugymnast]

When you talked about Type 00x, you mean Number x right? I don't think China will build only one for each Type of the carriers.

For aircraft carriers, every number might represent 1 ship because it's a flagship and grand as in highest status. Also the number 4 is not nice in Chinese pronunciation so out of superstitious of bad luck, there might be no Type 004 being skipped to 005. Number 4, 14 are bad luck.

 

[kungfugymnast]

how long time before those boxes are removed?

I can only think of 3 reasons why are they covering the rail launch with boxes, either:
1) they don't work sort of incomplete under development but needed to launch the carrier early
2) the rails design are advanced top secret technology that they don't want others to see and know how they work.
3) they wanted to keep them mysterious so that the enemies from west would get more curious and wonder whether they'll work and if they do work, the Type 003 will impose serious threat to US supremacy.

My bet would be #2 & #3. Can't wait to see an aircraft taking off on the EMALS. J-15B could be the first aircraft to do so. The ship displacement could also be lighter 8xk tonnes likely

 

[lcloo]

I can only think of 3 reasons why are they covering the rail launch with boxes, either:
1) they don't work sort of incomplete under development but needed to launch the carrier early
2) the rails design are advanced top secret technology that they don't want others to see and know how they work.
3) they wanted to keep them mysterious so that the enemies from west would get more curious and wonder whether they'll work and if they do work, the Type 003 will impose serious threat to US supremacy.

My bet would be #2 & #3. Can't wait to see an aircraft taking off on the EMALS. J-15B could be the first aircraft to do so. The ship displacement could also be lighter 8xk tonnes likely

Weather shelters. US Navy.

 

[Deino]

I can only think of 3 reasons why are they covering the rail launch with boxes, either:
1) they don't work sort of incomplete under development but needed to launch the carrier early
2) the rails design are advanced top secret technology that they don't want others to see and know how they work.
3) they wanted to keep them mysterious so that the enemies from west would get more curious and wonder whether they'll work and if they do work, the Type 003 will impose serious threat to US supremacy.

My bet would be #2 & #3. Can't wait to see an aircraft taking off on the EMALS. J-15B could be the first aircraft to do so. The ship displacement could also be lighter 8xk tonnes likely

I know a fourth option: it is a common practice done all over the world and you are again spreading lies of fabricated plain stupid theories just in order to look very smart!

 

[FuturePAF]

In China steel naval construction and naval engines is cheap. The limitation on carrier size and number will be the air wing, as aircraft manufacturing in China is more limited, doesn't have enough civilian market and is split between the PLAAF and PLAN.

I can envision a few more 003s and 004s leveraging best practices from civilian shipping and other ships that doesn't require any technological leaps: about 100k tons, fossil or fossil + small reactor steam power, IEP transmission, laser CIWS. Armament focused on jet fighters (J-15s for strike, J-35s for air superiority) with and AWACs for long range radar warning.

Then you can have maybe 1.5x - 2x that number in 076s, focused on drone warfare: well deck for launching UUVs and/or USVs with active sonar, ASM and torpedos, single EMALS catapult for propeller drones for maritime patrol and light strike, and a bunch of ASW helicopters.

Indeed, Limited manned air wing (for multiple reasons) is probably why we will probably see 1.5-2x Type 076 as escort medium PLAN marines carriers/LHD.

What do you think the building schedule would be and how many ships of each category do you think the PLAN will finally build? If above is true that would be 6-7 of at least Type 003 class and 9-14 Type 076 carriers. Considering it took 4-6 years to build the type 003 and if they build a second yard to have two being built at any given time that would be 18 years to get to the 6-7 level. For the type 076 3-4 yards could be going at a similar pace and put out the full 9-14 in the same time frame.

Which would mean the entire force would be ready by 2040, and with any possible delays (such as time switching to nuclear propulsion or an economic downturn) factored in; almost certainly by 2049, the PLAN will achieve its goal in becoming a world class combat force.

With that many ships will the PLAN be patrolling the world’s oceans? Protecting their SLOCs and BRI projects? Recent change in PLA doctrine to protect infrastructure projects in MOOTW (military operations other than war) could mean the PLAN marines form “Security Force Assistance Brigades” similar to the US. 800 man force to support partner nations.

Also, if Pakistan gets it economy in a stable and growing position, what do you think the odds are of the PN purchasing the Type 002 Carrier from China (with a complement of J-35 Fighters) in a decade or two? Perhaps even those Type 076 medium carriers maybe a better option for the PN.

 

[xuxu1457]

I can only think of 3 reasons why are they covering the rail launch with boxes, either:
1) they don't work sort of incomplete under development but needed to launch the carrier early
2) the rails design are advanced top secret technology that they don't want others to see and know how they work.
3) they wanted to keep them mysterious so that the enemies from west would get more curious and wonder whether they'll work and if they do work, the Type 003 will impose serious threat to US supremacy.

My bet would be #2 & #3. Can't wait to see an aircraft taking off on the EMALS. J-15B could be the first aircraft to do so. The ship displacement could also be lighter 8xk tonnes likely

The same ， Ford-class aircraft carriers when launched.

 

[LKJ86]

Via @开心包子铺分铺 from Weibo

 

[Niko Zhang]

POP3 hints that China's nuclear supercarrier will be ready soon.


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oh, oh, Wasn't you who said 003 is nuclear?

 

[Niko Zhang]

The thermal power of the Linglong 1 reactor is around 385 MW, so the Type 003 is likely to be powered by 4 X 385 MW Linglong 1 reactors compared to the 2 X 715 MW A1B reactors of the Ford class.

The HEU of the A1B reactor is around 93%, whereas the Linglong 1 reactor is no more than 50%.

China wants those reactors with lower enrichment which will be safer and easier for the RCOH.

The Type 003 is very likely to be a CONAG supercarrier.

The thermal power of the Linglong 1 reactor is around 385 MW, so the Type 003 is likely to be powered by 4 X 385 MW Linglong 1 reactors compared to the 2 X 715 MW A1B reactors of the Ford class.

The HEU of the A1B reactor is around 93%, whereas the Linglong 1 reactor is no more than 50%.

China wants those reactors with lower enrichment which will be safer and easier for the RCOH.

The Type 003 is very likely to be a CONAG supercarrier.

Why don't you simply admit you were wrong?

Around 95000 tonnes, similar to CVN-65 and CVN-68.

Or maybe CCTV is wrong? Haha

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Indeed, Limited manned air wing (for multiple reasons) is probably why we will probably see 1.5-2x Type 076 as escort medium PLAN marines carriers/LHD.

What do you think the building schedule would be and how many ships of each category do you think the PLAN will finally build? If above is true that would be 6-7 of at least Type 003 class and 9-14 Type 076 carriers. Considering it took 4-6 years to build the type 003 and if they build a second yard to have two being built at any given time that would be 18 years to get to the 6-7 level. For the type 076 3-4 yards could be going at a similar pace and put out the full 9-14 in the same time frame.

Which would mean the entire force would be ready by 2040, and with any possible delays (such as time switching to nuclear propulsion or an economic downturn) factored in; almost certainly by 2049, the PLAN will achieve its goal in becoming a world class combat force.

With that many ships will the PLAN be patrolling the world’s oceans? Protecting their SLOCs and BRI projects? Recent change in PLA doctrine to protect infrastructure projects in MOOTW (military operations other than war) could mean the PLAN marines form “Security Force Assistance Brigades” similar to the US. 800 man force to support partner nations.

Also, if Pakistan gets it economy in a stable and growing position, what do you think the odds are of the PN purchasing the Type 002 Carrier from China (with a complement of J-35 Fighters) in a decade or two? Perhaps even those Type 076 medium carriers maybe a better option for the PN.

I'd say that it'll take maybe 2-3 years to test out all the technology on the 003. optimistically PLAN already believes that this hull format is more or less OK while only testing specific subsystems. remember that it took 4-6 years because of (allegedly) steam catapults being changed to EM in the middle, and EM catapults being relatively new tech, which required a redesign of the entire internal plumbing system and a new electrical system.

so we're looking at steel cutting, beginning of construction soon, maybe 2 years out, then construction of 004 (which I believe will be conventional) within 2 years.

076 LHD is easier to construct. Hudong Zhonghua is the producer LHDs. Based on 075 track record, they launched Hainan in September 2019, commissioned April 2021 (17 months). They launched Guangxi in April 2020 (6 months after Hainan), commissioned December 2021 (18 months).

I don't think any CVs will be sold.

They're still brand new and have 30-40 years of life. Even as helicopter carriers they're still better than 075s and 076s, and they can still launch air defense planes.

 

[LKJ86]

 

[CSAW]

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[tonyget]

Can you tell EM catapults from steam catapults just by appearance？

Is there any official confirmation that CV-18 uses EM catapults ？

 

[Han Patriot]

Weather shelters. US Navy.
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That's one ugly looking carrier, I was about to critisize the 003 until I saw this.

 

[FuturePAF]

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What’s the reference for total displacement of 92,000 tons? Many commentators state 80,000+ or 85,000 tons, but none as high as 92,000 tons.

Btw, the future French “PA-NG” aircraft carrier is expected to be approx. 70,000-75,000 tons (which I suspect they are trying to also sell to India for licensed production in their Cochin shipyard) is expected to be nuclear powered. Perhaps the Type 003 will just get modified to fit the nuclear reactors once the current type 003 design is perfected.

So it is possible the Type 003 is the size China will stick to for all future carriers, with only modifications to fit a third elevator and fourth catapult.

I'd say that it'll take maybe 2-3 years to test out all the technology on the 003. optimistically PLAN already believes that this hull format is more or less OK while only testing specific subsystems. remember that it took 4-6 years because of (allegedly) steam catapults being changed to EM in the middle, and EM catapults being relatively new tech, which required a redesign of the entire internal plumbing system and a new electrical system.

so we're looking at steel cutting, beginning of construction soon, maybe 2 years out, then construction of 004 (which I believe will be conventional) within 2 years.

076 LHD is easier to construct. Hudong Zhonghua is the producer LHDs. Based on 075 track record, they launched Hainan in September 2019, commissioned April 2021 (17 months). They launched Guangxi in April 2020 (6 months after Hainan), commissioned December 2021 (18 months).

I don't think any CVs will be sold.

They're still brand new and have 30-40 years of life. Even as helicopter carriers they're still better than 075s and 076s, and they can still launch air defense planes.

With the advent of UCAVs, perhaps the Type 076 maybe more suitable for the PN if it doctrine changes to require further out blue water operations with air support.