CV-17 Shandong - Type 002 Aircraft Carrier News & Discussions
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China finishing first domestic CV-17 aircraft carrier and preparing catapults for next CV-18 carrier
The second PLAN aircraft carrier, CV-17 is in advanced stages of construction at Dalian Shipbuilding in northeastern China. It will be the first aircraft carrier built entirely in China. The Liaoning was purchased from the Ukraine in the late 1990s and towed to China for an extensive rebuild.
The CV-17 has a somewhat larger displacement than the CV-16 Liaoning. It has greater internal hanger space for aircraft stowage below deck, and a larger island.
Located on the starboard side of the flight deck, in similar orientation as that on the Liaoning, the island of the CV-17 is substantially larger. Analysis of the new island structure, which was constructed in two modules before attachment to the vessel due to its size, seems to suggest a more advanced communications equipment suite and updated Type 346A active phased array radar (APAR).
The Type 346A radar can be found on the Type 052D destroyers of the PLAN, and is most likely to be fitted on the Type 055 Destroyers currently under construction. By contrast, the Liaoning is equipped with an earlier Type 346 active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar. Photographs of the mock-up island located in Wuhan, which is used for training and orientation of naval crews, support this hypothesis.
The construction on the northeastern corner of the Huangdicun Airbase suggests two land based catapult launch systems (for training and testing). Although they appear slightly different from above, it is impossible to confirm if they are of the convention steam driven design, or if one is an electro-magnetic catapult, as suggested by a number of analysts.
The launch bar can clearly be seen attached to the nose landing gear of both aircraft. The arrestor hook, used in arrested recovery can also be clearly viewed on both aircraft, though more clearly on the aircraft on the left.
It is obvious that Chinese naval aviators will begin practicing CATOBAR operations at Huangdicun Airbase in the immediate future, most likely beginning in the first or second quarter of 2017. This is a logical step along the way to preparing an air wing skilled in such operations, as well as the necessary handlers, directors, and hook runners required to successfully and safely conduct catapult assisted launches on a modern aircraft carrier.
The third chinese aircraft carrier CV-18 will gain the advantages of greater range and weapons load-out for its strike wing by using catapult launch. It will also allow for the use of fixed-wing anti-submarine (ASW) aircraft and tactical airborne early warning (AEW) aircraft. The PLAN’s current reliance on helicopter borne ASW and AEW is a shortcoming that must be resolved.
The CV-18 is under construction at the Jiangnan Shipyard.
In September 2016, images of an upgraded J-15, the "J-15A", emerged on the Internet, showing significant upgrades to its engines and flight performance. The plane makes use of domestically produced WS-10H turbofan engines, distinguished by a squarish, silver afterburner nozzle. While some J-15 prototypes were fitted with WS-10 turbofan engines, all production J-15s presently operating off the Liaoning aircraft carrier use the Russian AL-31 turbofan (which has a dark-colored afterburner nozzle). If future J-15As use the WS-10H as a power plant, it would indicate a triumph for China's emerging aviation engine industry, which has long been a weakness. Another likely upgrade is the installation of an Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radar, which has improved resolution, multi-target ability, and resistance to jamming.
The J-15 is derived from the Russian Su-33
This fan art of the current and next five Chinese aircraft carriers is actually based off of models from an official PLAN exhibition in 2014. It shows the Liaoning, the under-construction CV-17, and the next four catapult-equipped aircraft carriers (conventionally powered CV-18 and CV-19, and nuclear powered CV-20 and CV-21). Needless to say, despite their official inspirations, future Chinese aircraft carriers could differ in many ways from these drawings.
http://www.nextbigfuture.com/2016/12/china-finishing-first-domestic-cv-17.html
The second PLAN aircraft carrier, CV-17 is in advanced stages of construction at Dalian Shipbuilding in northeastern China. It will be the first aircraft carrier built entirely in China. The Liaoning was purchased from the Ukraine in the late 1990s and towed to China for an extensive rebuild.
The CV-17 has a somewhat larger displacement than the CV-16 Liaoning. It has greater internal hanger space for aircraft stowage below deck, and a larger island.
Located on the starboard side of the flight deck, in similar orientation as that on the Liaoning, the island of the CV-17 is substantially larger. Analysis of the new island structure, which was constructed in two modules before attachment to the vessel due to its size, seems to suggest a more advanced communications equipment suite and updated Type 346A active phased array radar (APAR).
The Type 346A radar can be found on the Type 052D destroyers of the PLAN, and is most likely to be fitted on the Type 055 Destroyers currently under construction. By contrast, the Liaoning is equipped with an earlier Type 346 active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar. Photographs of the mock-up island located in Wuhan, which is used for training and orientation of naval crews, support this hypothesis.
The construction on the northeastern corner of the Huangdicun Airbase suggests two land based catapult launch systems (for training and testing). Although they appear slightly different from above, it is impossible to confirm if they are of the convention steam driven design, or if one is an electro-magnetic catapult, as suggested by a number of analysts.
The launch bar can clearly be seen attached to the nose landing gear of both aircraft. The arrestor hook, used in arrested recovery can also be clearly viewed on both aircraft, though more clearly on the aircraft on the left.
It is obvious that Chinese naval aviators will begin practicing CATOBAR operations at Huangdicun Airbase in the immediate future, most likely beginning in the first or second quarter of 2017. This is a logical step along the way to preparing an air wing skilled in such operations, as well as the necessary handlers, directors, and hook runners required to successfully and safely conduct catapult assisted launches on a modern aircraft carrier.
The third chinese aircraft carrier CV-18 will gain the advantages of greater range and weapons load-out for its strike wing by using catapult launch. It will also allow for the use of fixed-wing anti-submarine (ASW) aircraft and tactical airborne early warning (AEW) aircraft. The PLAN’s current reliance on helicopter borne ASW and AEW is a shortcoming that must be resolved.
The CV-18 is under construction at the Jiangnan Shipyard.
In September 2016, images of an upgraded J-15, the "J-15A", emerged on the Internet, showing significant upgrades to its engines and flight performance. The plane makes use of domestically produced WS-10H turbofan engines, distinguished by a squarish, silver afterburner nozzle. While some J-15 prototypes were fitted with WS-10 turbofan engines, all production J-15s presently operating off the Liaoning aircraft carrier use the Russian AL-31 turbofan (which has a dark-colored afterburner nozzle). If future J-15As use the WS-10H as a power plant, it would indicate a triumph for China's emerging aviation engine industry, which has long been a weakness. Another likely upgrade is the installation of an Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radar, which has improved resolution, multi-target ability, and resistance to jamming.
The J-15 is derived from the Russian Su-33
This fan art of the current and next five Chinese aircraft carriers is actually based off of models from an official PLAN exhibition in 2014. It shows the Liaoning, the under-construction CV-17, and the next four catapult-equipped aircraft carriers (conventionally powered CV-18 and CV-19, and nuclear powered CV-20 and CV-21). Needless to say, despite their official inspirations, future Chinese aircraft carriers could differ in many ways from these drawings.
http://www.nextbigfuture.com/2016/12/china-finishing-first-domestic-cv-17.html
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China's first domestic aircraft carrier the Type 001A reported to be launched Dec 26, 2015
China is ready to launch its first domestically built aircraft carrier, known as the Type 001A, on Dec. 26 to mark the 122th birthday of Mao Zedong, according to Hong Kong newspaper Ming Pao.
President Xi Jinping reportedly visited the Dalian Shipyard to inspect the progress of work on the carrier in August.
Previous reports with photographs, dating from June, show the beginnings of the hull of what has been called the Type 001A carrier taking form in the Dalian shipyard. The photographs suggest work on the ship was proceeding quickly, as the lines are now a lot clearer than they were in previous photographs that emerged in April and the ship appears to have adopted a relatively rare bow flare design. Assembly should have begun in August.
http://www.nextbigfuture.com/2015/09/chinas-first-domestic-aircraft-carrier.html
China is ready to launch its first domestically built aircraft carrier, known as the Type 001A, on Dec. 26 to mark the 122th birthday of Mao Zedong, according to Hong Kong newspaper Ming Pao.
President Xi Jinping reportedly visited the Dalian Shipyard to inspect the progress of work on the carrier in August.
Previous reports with photographs, dating from June, show the beginnings of the hull of what has been called the Type 001A carrier taking form in the Dalian shipyard. The photographs suggest work on the ship was proceeding quickly, as the lines are now a lot clearer than they were in previous photographs that emerged in April and the ship appears to have adopted a relatively rare bow flare design. Assembly should have begun in August.
http://www.nextbigfuture.com/2015/09/chinas-first-domestic-aircraft-carrier.html
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Guys ... why again a new thread ??? We have a dedicated Type 001A topic !!!
And right after this ...
... I stopped further reading.
And right after this ...
... I stopped further reading.
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Geolocation of photos posted today on Chinese social media confirms PLAN CV Liaoning alongside at purpose-built pier in Hainan, near Sanya
Chinese Aircraft Carrier Liaoning arrives in Hainan
The United States says China has the right to sail in international waters after a Chinese aircraft carrier cruised past Taiwan and into the contested South China Sea, reported the Associated Press.
State Department spokesman Mark Toner was quoted as saying on Tuesday the US recognises lawful uses of the sea, and the same rights apply to the US, China and other nations.
“As we often make the case with our own naval vessels sailing … in those same waters, it’s freedom of navigation,” said Mr Toner according to AP
Chinese Aircraft Carrier Liaoning arrives in Hainan
The United States says China has the right to sail in international waters after a Chinese aircraft carrier cruised past Taiwan and into the contested South China Sea, reported the Associated Press.
State Department spokesman Mark Toner was quoted as saying on Tuesday the US recognises lawful uses of the sea, and the same rights apply to the US, China and other nations.
“As we often make the case with our own naval vessels sailing … in those same waters, it’s freedom of navigation,” said Mr Toner according to AP
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Japanese media outlet reveals photos of Chinese aircraft carrier project
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INDEED a dire wake-up call to strengthen China's domestic surveillance measures to counter the grave threat of espionage efforts.and to identify their collaborators!!! 
Perhaps the strategic shipyards need some kind of giant "walls" to veil their activities while all enthusiasts need to be severely warned to sort out the ignorant fanboys from Hànjiān 汉奸 and foreign spies
Note: the high resolution video is said to be taken on around mid-December 2016. Chinese law prohibits taking photos of military areas. Four Japanese citizens were arrested last year on suspicion of spying, and it's said that one of the accused had gone on trial in Beijing.
In its commentary, the National Defence Daily said advances in technology, such as more sophisticated cameras and the emergence of drones, posed challenges for the safeguarders of the nation’s secrets.
Perhaps the strategic shipyards need some kind of giant "walls" to veil their activities while all enthusiasts need to be severely warned to sort out the ignorant fanboys from Hànjiān 汉奸 and foreign spies
Note: the high resolution video is said to be taken on around mid-December 2016. Chinese law prohibits taking photos of military areas. Four Japanese citizens were arrested last year on suspicion of spying, and it's said that one of the accused had gone on trial in Beijing.
In its commentary, the National Defence Daily said advances in technology, such as more sophisticated cameras and the emergence of drones, posed challenges for the safeguarders of the nation’s secrets.
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Photos of China’s aircraft carrier urge better protection of confidential information
People's Daily Online, 2016-12-28
http://en.people.cn/n3/2016/1228/c90000-9160425.html
Some high-resolution photos of China’s newest aircraft carrier, still under construction, have gained widespread attention online. The photos, which clearly show details of the carrier’s structure, first appeared on the site of Japan’s Kyodo News Service. They were taken by employees of Kyodo News Service, according to a report in China National Defense News.
The aircraft carrier is an important weapon for China. Taking photos of the carrier is strictly forbidden. The fact that Japanese employees managed to snap photos of the ship despite heavy security is something of a wake-up call.
Citing several examples from history, the report noted that keeping military secrets is a matter that affects state security and the potential for war. Prior to the first Sino-Japanese War (1894–95), Japanese spies learned the departure time of Chinese ships heading to Korea for reinforcements. Using this information, the Japanese navy ambushed the Chinese ships transporting soldiers. Later, during Japan’s aggression against China in 1930s, large numbers of Japanese came to China to survey the terrain, resources and social conditions of China, providing intelligence to the invading Japanese army.
With the rapid advancement of technology such as big data and unmanned civil aircraft, it has become even easier to steal such secrets. In the meantime, foreign spies have started penetrating all sectors of society.
The report calls for the creation of an effective system to prevent confidential information leaks and improve state security education. April 15 was designated as China’s first National Security Education Day. In addition, authorities will promote education through posters, advertisements, film and even WeChat articles.
The report additionally calls for strict management of certain groups. Military fans have become a high-risk group for the leaking of confidential information. In the past, some have shared images of advanced weapons before official photos were released. Overseas military institutions and personnel have obtained significant intelligence in this way.
People's Daily Online, 2016-12-28
http://en.people.cn/n3/2016/1228/c90000-9160425.html
Some high-resolution photos of China’s newest aircraft carrier, still under construction, have gained widespread attention online. The photos, which clearly show details of the carrier’s structure, first appeared on the site of Japan’s Kyodo News Service. They were taken by employees of Kyodo News Service, according to a report in China National Defense News.
The aircraft carrier is an important weapon for China. Taking photos of the carrier is strictly forbidden. The fact that Japanese employees managed to snap photos of the ship despite heavy security is something of a wake-up call.
Citing several examples from history, the report noted that keeping military secrets is a matter that affects state security and the potential for war. Prior to the first Sino-Japanese War (1894–95), Japanese spies learned the departure time of Chinese ships heading to Korea for reinforcements. Using this information, the Japanese navy ambushed the Chinese ships transporting soldiers. Later, during Japan’s aggression against China in 1930s, large numbers of Japanese came to China to survey the terrain, resources and social conditions of China, providing intelligence to the invading Japanese army.
With the rapid advancement of technology such as big data and unmanned civil aircraft, it has become even easier to steal such secrets. In the meantime, foreign spies have started penetrating all sectors of society.
The report calls for the creation of an effective system to prevent confidential information leaks and improve state security education. April 15 was designated as China’s first National Security Education Day. In addition, authorities will promote education through posters, advertisements, film and even WeChat articles.
The report additionally calls for strict management of certain groups. Military fans have become a high-risk group for the leaking of confidential information. In the past, some have shared images of advanced weapons before official photos were released. Overseas military institutions and personnel have obtained significant intelligence in this way.
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updates: snow gone after the 29th, foggy now
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Happy new year ...
But is here someone lost between the years ?? We already have 2017 now !!! So it is simply a crappy old report with completely false assumptions. Launch in December 2015 was never and will never be possible !
And this too:
This is at best a pure and simple fan-boy assumption, some sort of wet-dreams at best.
If You compare how long it took for the Liaoning at the same state of building until it was launched, there is simply NO, not the slightest change of a launch and first sea trails within the first three months.
No paining is done and IMO this wont occur as long it is that cold in Dalian, even more the Liaoning was finished and we do not know how much has to be done internally ... as such Sea Trails until March is simply impossible.
Deino
But is here someone lost between the years ?? We already have 2017 now !!! So it is simply a crappy old report with completely false assumptions. Launch in December 2015 was never and will never be possible !
And this too:
Folks, my very estimation that the CV-17 will be completed and do the trial sail within the Q1 2017. And this is a very conservative time frame, I guess
This is at best a pure and simple fan-boy assumption, some sort of wet-dreams at best.
If You compare how long it took for the Liaoning at the same state of building until it was launched, there is simply NO, not the slightest change of a launch and first sea trails within the first three months.
No paining is done and IMO this wont occur as long it is that cold in Dalian, even more the Liaoning was finished and we do not know how much has to be done internally ... as such Sea Trails until March is simply impossible.
Deino
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I think some members here are going crazy! The Carrier 001A has still got a lot of work to be done to it EVEN before it gets launched. Even a Chinese military spokesman last year, stated that the Carrier wouldn't get launched until probably somewhere around Spring 2017, as they wanted to ensure everything was done right. Even this timescale is very rapid for a build of a carrier. Remember this is a colossal sized vessel, and requires an army of people working on it to complete the vast number of tasks. Painting this vessel alone will take quite some time, its not a model you know . I know its hard to be patient, but the end result will be worth waiting for. It could be 2019 before 001A gets finished and enters service, at the best earliest estimate.
btw:- Happy NY.
The Carrier 001A has still got a lot of work to be done to it EVEN before it gets launched. Even a Chinese military spokesman last year, stated that the Carrier wouldn't get launched until probably somewhere around Spring 2017, as they wanted to ensure everything was done right. Even this timescale is very rapid for a build of a carrier. Remember this is a colossal sized vessel, and requires an army of people working on it to complete the vast number of tasks. Painting this vessel alone will take quite some time, its not a model you know . I know its hard to be patient, but the end result will be worth waiting for. It could be 2019 before 001A gets finished and enters service, at the best earliest estimate.btw:- Happy NY.
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Happy NY.I think some members here are going crazy!
btw:- Happy NY.
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I think some members here are going crazy!
btw:- Happy NY.
Happy NY too
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