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During 90's america imposed the worst economic terrorism on islamic countries especially saudi arabia by first draining its reserves in a false war perputated by its an american pupper king fahad..and them oil prices taking an absolute dive..now its about time of payback
 
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Actually if you see what the so-called ‘’religious’’ parties are protesting –it isn’t over the death of OBL per se. It’s mostly over the method that was used

i.e. go in blasting a la Rambo

I guess the whole number about ‘’burying/dumping at sea’’ also got to their heads as well


What truly amazes me is that some publications are posting those pictures instead of posting the stone-bear, emotionless, reactionless faces of others who could damn care about this guy by this name ‘’OBL’’ whom they (as do I) believe was a mere iconic figure of mere symbolic value. Pakistanis are just going on with their lives, the smear tactics are absolutely no new news. Just the fact that he was made an icon and just the fact that he was allegedly in Pakistan – it does more ‘symbollic’ harm to Pakistan

It’s only the bhartis and the naive westerners who actually believe we were ‘’protecting’’ this guy…..if media and standard rhetoric are to be believed, then yes – it was an intel failure. ISI is a military/civilian employed organization. Military in general, unlike civilians, takes responsibility and corrective measures when there is proven negligence or mistake made
 
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i think it's US and Pak govt. which insists on the aid; the people on the street --it makes little to no difference to them. And it's funny to see indians trying to mock Pakistan when they are much larger recipients of foreign aid.

Classic case of paranoia.....So an Indian brings up the fact that Pakistani economy is dependent on US aid and that the US is using the aid as tool to have its way in Pakistan....all reality...So why do you think Indians are trying to mock you?
Unless you want to prove to us that Pak economy is not dependent on US aid....which I would be very interested in seeing....

India's economy does not run on aid.....In fact we are aid recipients and donors....so spew nonsense to your hearts content but wont change reality..... we dont fall in the same category...PERIOD!


]I'd prefer anything over knowing the fact that 10 unruly lightly armed kids could take over my financial capital for 3 days --coming in and docking in the heart of the city, in plastic dingy boats just sayin!

Of course you would....You prefer the daily suicide bombings...target killings, beheadings, floggings, sodomy, death penalty for blasphemy and all other things that make life so wonderful.....oh and I forgot...all this at the hands of your own people.....

How can I get on your program champ?
 
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dont waste your time with New York Slimes....any true patriotic American would demand it be shut down. I was once patting an American buddy on the shoulder when he asked me why the ISI allegedly released the name of the CIA station chief in Pakistan

LOL....and you're asking for NYTimes to be shut as a "True Patriotic Pakistani"? I dont doubt it....

But why not let the Americans speak for themselves....I hardly think any of them take you for a consult when thinking about their national priorities....LOL!

New York Times (Slimes) has been leaking American secrets and compromising their security since its bloody inception! :rofl:

no need to waste time on those marxist, tree-hugger publications

Here comes a person who believes in patting his govt. for lying to their people, putting people's tax money to waste and in general keeping secrets that not only harm the nation but even the people (read reputation)
I could be speaking about America or Pakistan.....
But the point is....the people have the right to know what their elected leaders are doing with their tax money (democracy anyone?...freedom of press?...first bloody ammendment?)....and its newspapers like NYTimes that have been credibly unraveling the scum that are politicians and their actions...

You obviously believe in giving a free hand to your Politicians and army....am I surprised why Pakistan has been in bad press for a decade now? Not when folks like you are around...

LOL @ the "Marxist tree hugger" comment....
 
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Great, maybe with Aids or not. If aids stop, there will be no drones attacks, no CIAs stations, no expanions, no cooperation, no supply routes, no commissions, ......

Pakistan politics at least to learn to grow mature :big_boss:
 
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Classic case of paranoia.....So an Indian brings up the fact that Pakistani economy is dependent on US aid and that the US is using the aid as tool to have its way in Pakistan

A point was made as was a counterpoint. And also remember that so-called ''US aid’’ in terms of Pakistan’s GDP is a barely even a percentage. If you want to have a debate, then learn the facts first. Don’t dive into the deep end when you don’t even know how to swim.


all reality...So why do you think Indians are trying to mock you?

I don’t know, but at the same time it’s just shrug-worthy and can be flicked away casually like a spent Dunhill, since more often than not it’s hard to take anything indian says……sorry, but this is simply how a lot of us feel --at least its how I feel. I may be alone in this, I may not be.

Unless you want to prove to us that Pak economy is not dependent on US aid....which I would be very interested in seeing....

Pakistanis are more than capable of being self-sufficient. The politicians’ bank accounts would suffer, but the people would not suffer. The IMF loans, for example, are merely there to provide a reserves cushion. You do know what forex reserves are and what purpose they serve I assume. Merely there for macroeconomic stability. However that said, remittances are at their highest in years and those alone contribute more to Pakistani economy than does so-called ''aid’’

May I also remind you that our economy has suffered several hundred billion $ in damage when we joined the GWOT and when '' hit the fan’’ circa 2008/09 and even to date, to some extent. The aid is mere peanuts when compared to the forgone economic opportunity & losses incurred which otherwise would have been realized gains ---free of ''aid’’

India's economy does not run on aid.....In fact we are aid recipients and donors....

India is a large country with a healthy GDP growth rate. It’s done well economically, though the growth has been uneven and unequal –which is often the case in developing countries. I think Hindustan would be best served addressing its widespread poverty and social problems before becoming a so-called ‘’donor’’ –though that isn’t my problem and none of my concern since Indian citizens are not my concern or priority.


so spew nonsense to your hearts content but wont change reality..... we dont fall in the same category...PERIOD!

:lol:


nonsense, in my mind, is anti-Pakistan hysteria in hindustan…in your media and among your politicians who know politics real well by feeding lies to the public. A country where even pigeons get arrested for alleged ISI-links. That, to me, is true nonsense.


Of course you would....You prefer the daily suicide bombings...target killings, beheadings, floggings, sodomy, death penalty for blasphemy and all other things that make life so wonderful.....oh and I forgot...all this at the hands of your own people.....

It isn’t what I prefer. I'm a nationalist. I want what's best for my country. I only care about the well-being and interests of Pakistan. And I will work towards them.

Rather than what I prefer, it’s merely just pointing fingers at your own loopholes, utter failures and embarrassments which you tried to use to wage psy-ops on Pakistan. In hindisight, it was a miserably failed strategy. You'd be better served in solving the social problems and outstanding issues which lead to terrorism in hindustan --majority of which is domestic homegrown terrorism (e.g. in your restive northeast)


How can I get on your program champ?

It’s invite only.

Bring something worthy to the mohagany table then talk.
 
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You know, I wish the so-called American 'aid' does stop. For one thing, there is very little net aid which makes it to help ordinary Pakistanis. There is not only corruption inside Pakistan but there are un-accountable moneys spent on American staff and services in the over-all aid equation. Factor in loss to the economy because of the war, the high costs involved in security operations and there is indeed very little left.
The 'aid' by itself is very little. It is just for uninformed people, mainly Americans, who like to massage their egos, looking so magnanimous. As I said, overseas Pakistanis remittance from a mere two months is probably more than what the net 'aid' that gets to Pakistan after two years. It is really the 'trade' with the West which can and will hurt Pakistan a LOT should Americans try to go the route of Saddam-like sanctions. It is the IMF/WB loans and their re-scheduling which helps Pakistan to stay afloat short term.


Be it as it may, I still think cutting off all 'aid' to Pakistan is a welcome step. It will also free the Pakistani state to pursue the terrorists inside Pakistan without the stigma of doing America's bidding. I can only guess at the consequences if the trade stops. May be a bankruptcy. BUT...as late as October 2005 Earthquake Pakistani nation demonstrated that they can indeed unite and do miracles collectively when there is the right 'call of duty'.

If there is the aid-cut off the Pakistani nation can and will galvanize if there is a national unity govt. which includes the likes of Imran Khan, A. Hussein, P. Musharraf, Zardari, and N. Sharif. You don't think that is possible?
 
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A point was made as was a counterpoint. And also remember that so-called ''US aid’’ in terms of Pakistan’s GDP is a barely even a percentage. If you want to have a debate, then learn the facts first. Don’t dive into the deep end when you don’t even know how to swim.

Ah, I see!

What perplexes me, though, is the vigor YOUR PM, beg your pardon as I understand how seriously embarrassing it must be for you to call him that, exhibits while flying around the world begging for loan waivers when it is indeed not loans, aid and waivers et al keeping your economy, afloat as you so profusely claim.

mmmm ...BTW, did I hear it right that the IMF only recently chided you with the next loan tranche stick?

nonsense, in my mind, is anti-Pakistan hysteria in hindustan…in your media and among your politicians who know politics real well by feeding lies to the public. A country where even pigeons get arrested for alleged ISI-links. That, to me, is true nonsense.

How well said. It is nonsense indeed. Quite unlike the joke i've hearing of late. Here it goes:

aahhhh....on second thought, I will ease your suffering and let it go. Can't even imagine how painful it must be to be a Pakistani nowadays not to mention one in America. May the Lord bless thy brave soul.

Rather than what I prefer, it’s merely just pointing fingers at your own loopholes, utter failures and embarrassments which you tried to use to wage psy-ops on Pakistan.

Psy-ops? lol You ain't seen 'em yet, mate.

You'd be better served in solving the social problems and outstanding issues which lead to terrorism in hindustan --majority of which is domestic homegrown terrorism (e.g. in your restive northeast)

How 'bout handling both simultaneously? Multi-talsking is in, you know.
 
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But why should WOT expense be borne by USA? Its your people on your land who are indulging in terrorism that your forces are cleaning up..

No, because WoT was started by US which has caused all the mess. WoT wasn't caused by Pakistan nor did Pakistan have anything to do with it.

No WoT, none of this would have happened. I am afraid many bharatis have deluded themselves into believing what you belive and some of the other things.
 
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No, because WoT was started by US which has caused all the mess. WoT wasn't caused by Pakistan nor did Pakistan have anything to do with it.

No WoT, none of this would have happened. I am afraid many bharatis have deluded themselves into believing what you belive and some of the other things.

WRONG!

None of this would have happened had almost every other terrorism plot in the world, from 9/11 to Bali bombing not found its source or some kind of link within Pakistan.
 
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9/11 had little to do with Pakistan, einstein. 9/11 was the reason to start "war on terror".
 
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Ah, I see!

What perplexes me, though, is the vigor YOUR PM, beg your pardon as I understand how seriously embarrassing it must be for you to call him that, exhibits while flying around the world begging for loan waivers when it is indeed not loans, aid and waivers et al keeping your economy, afloat as you so profusely claim.

meh! I didn't vote for him.

At least he somehow manages to get the loans. Your PM, on the other hand, goes in large delegations around the world begging countries not to sell arms and not to aid Pakistan. At the end of the day, who gets what they want?

you told the Brazilians not to sell us anti-radiation missiles in 2008 and just a few months later, we had them in our possesion. So you see -- yes it's silly of the so-called politicians of ours to ask for loan rescheduling or waivers et al -- when instead they could address the real issue which is a weak tax collection rate. I'm still fairly confident that despite the woes, the average Pakistani is still much better off and lives in better standards than the standard indian --650 million of whom are still living in abject poverty and are voiceless beings. But again, side issue we can leave for another time and place.

mmmm ...BTW, did I hear it right that the IMF only recently chided you with the next loan tranche stick?

the IMF in my mind is a dreaded institution and always the least preferred option; so if they decide to ''chide'' Pakistan --it's a blessing in disguise. Incidentally, the reserves position is not precarious as it was in 2008 when we only had enough to support 1-2 months worth of imports.

ideally, the leaders will snub the IMF and tell them to take a hike; but they are a rudderless and vision-devoid lot of individuals who are bumbling through life...again, side (and internal) issue that is not of your concern. Your concern is your 650+ million poor and destitute.




How well said. It is nonsense indeed. Quite unlike the joke i've hearing of late. Here it goes:

aahhhh....on second thought, I will ease your suffering and let it go. Can't even imagine how painful it must be to be a Pakistani nowadays not to mention one in America. May the Lord bless thy brave soul.

:what::what::what:


Psy-ops? lol You ain't seen 'em yet, mate.

oh you're absolutely right...but i've seen some God-honest attempts from that side of yours and they proved to be futile (at best)


How 'bout handling both simultaneously? Multi-talsking is in, you know.

well it is most unfortunate that in your case, to do two things at once is to do neither.

Alas!
 
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9/11 had little to do with Pakistan, einstein. 9/11 was the reason to start "war on terror".

Really?

Then why is every other Al-Qaida HVT found in Pakistan?

The link of global terrorism to Pakistan is all too evident for anyone to deny.
 
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Also to add something else, Taliban wasn't even involved in 9/11 - which is what this WoT has turned against. Taliban was asking for proof of Al Qaeda involvement and was ready to hand over OBL, but US rejected that and started a senseless war. This is what has brought the region into where it's state, not what some deluded bharatis say.
 
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9/11 had little to do with Pakistan, einstein. 9/11 was the reason to start "war on terror".

Now a days Talibani network is operated from Pakistan. If OBM can live their without any one know that (other than Pakistan gov) so its not hard to believe this.
 
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