end result justifies the meansStill is a nice way to get sanctioned by everyone, regardless of how common they may be
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end result justifies the meansStill is a nice way to get sanctioned by everyone, regardless of how common they may be
The cool thing about these containers is that it seems everything is contained to the canister. It sounds like the end-user can bolt the system to any type of ship without necessarily any deeper integration to the ship's subsystems. It could be an interesting solution for 'hot-arming' OPVs, for example. You basically build OPVs at a low upfront cost for sea policing, but in wartime, 'hot-arm' them with ASCM canisters (perhaps within hours).They are getting pretty mainstream now
Club-K Container Missile System
Club-K Container Missile System is designed for engagement: 1) surface ships of different classes and types -- 2) land and shore-based targets -- The following types of missiles are used in Club-K system: 1) 3M-54KE, 3М-54KE1, Kh-35UE anti-ship missiwww.military.com
First thing it needs is RAM air defense systemI thought I'd start a thread that discusses concepts or ideas the Pakistan Navy (PN) should pursue in the coming years.
Note: I'm open to talking about developmental ideas, recommended purchases, etc. Just keep it within reason.
For example, I was looking through some of the things Turkey's working on at IDEF 2021, and noticed STM's new 'Multi-Purpose Attack Craft' (MPAC). I think the MPAC can be a good idea of where the PN can take the FAC(M) / Azmat-class should the PN need a larger mini-corvette type of platform (via DefenceTurk).
I think we can stretch the FAC(M) to retain its AShW/LACM capacity but also add ASW capabilities. In fact, Turkey is developing its own torpedo-tube launchers for its lightweight torpedoes. We basically have an option to build a low-cost multi-mission solution to fill our littoral waters.
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Now this I like.Battleships for shore bombardment
Ok yeah that's basically what the P282 will be. I will be shocked if it's anything else.
Why I think so is because:
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The CM-401 (read P282) missile is a new type of high supersonic ballistic anti-ship missile, using near space trajectory, and capable of all-course high supersonic maneuverable flight, terminal diving and high velocity top attacking, various platform launching firing. It is mainly used to rapidly and exactly attack medium-large sized vessels and ships, formations and port targets. It has the characteristics of multi-ballistic coordinated capability, powerful damage capability, strong penetration ability and ....
Using google translate on the Chinese:
"Highest Mach 6
Average Mach 4"
@Akh1112
Assuming P282 = basically CM401:
I think they'll have acceptable capability to hit moving targets because this missile is definitely not terminally hypersonic. It's TOP Mach is 6, with an average of 4. I'd guess it is traveling Mach 2ish terminally. I mean there's no way that tiny radar in it's nose is powerful enough to work through plasma. So think of this is kind of a Brahmos. So yes it won't be as nimble as a subsonic AShM but it can turn enough to hit targets like big ships traveling at 20 kts or something. More and more I am thinking that the "hypersonic" is just a ruse.
Is it a good move to have it with yj 12 supersonic cruise missile?There you go...
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View attachment 791840Pakistan receives new Chinese-made frigate. How will it fare against India’s Navy?
Named Tughril, the frigate and its sister ships are the most powerful surface vessels planned under Pakistan’s naval modernization program, meant to redress a conventional imbalance with India.www.defensenews.com
I should've bet money or something lol.
too early to say.Is it a good move to have it with yj 12 supersonic cruise missile?
Don't you expect some increase in range when named p282?
@Bilal Khan (Quwa)There you go...
@Bilal Khan (Quwa) @kursed @Akh1112
View attachment 791840Pakistan receives new Chinese-made frigate. How will it fare against India’s Navy?
Named Tughril, the frigate and its sister ships are the most powerful surface vessels planned under Pakistan’s naval modernization program, meant to redress a conventional imbalance with India.www.defensenews.com
I should've bet money or something lol.
YJ-12 or HD-1A. I think the latter would be cooler in that there's both a surface-launched and air-launched variant.too early to say.
@Bilal Khan (Quwa)
Since this has become sort of a theme I will predict
SMASH = YJ-12
There you go...
@Bilal Khan (Quwa) @kursed @Akh1112
View attachment 791840Pakistan receives new Chinese-made frigate. How will it fare against India’s Navy?
Named Tughril, the frigate and its sister ships are the most powerful surface vessels planned under Pakistan’s naval modernization program, meant to redress a conventional imbalance with India.www.defensenews.com
I should've bet money or something lol.
Yes only if future Type 54 A would come with those VLS which can also carry long range cruise missiles like 1600 KM range cruise missiles other wise no. Navy needs long range cruise missile which can be fired from ships and submarines and can strike deep inside enemy. 450 to 500 KM range missile simply won't work. We need a 1600 KM + missile.Keep it simple more Type 054
No it won't be because CX 1 is a cruise missile. P 282 is a ballistic missile. But yes Navy most likely is working on a Super Sonic Cruise Missile also.Can p282 be based on cx1 missile