Comparative strengths of Bangladesh and Myanmar

[pikkuboss]

Everything you've compared except the guts. Bangladesh is Bhigi Billi in front of Myanmar.

 

[bluesky]

Everything you've compared except the guts. Bangladesh is Bhigi Billi in front of Myanmar.

Read post #24 by @BDforever to get your answer. Also note that during the last 800 years of interaction with the Hindus we now know when to act diplomatic and play Bhigi Billi. Do not you see how BD is playing China against India and is getting benefits from both?

 

[Flynn Swagmire]

Everything you've compared except the guts. Bangladesh is Bhigi Billi in front of Myanmar.

Like India in front of China?

 

[UKBengali]

The problem is that no country in the region think highly of BD military capabilities.

For the Air Force, BAF is facing problems with operating and maintaing the aircrafts properly since 2000s. That's why Prime Minister Khaleda Zia had tried to sell 8 junk MiG 29 B/UB to save operating cost.

For the navy, although BN is the youngest navy in the region, most ships are the oldest ones. Only 2 downgraded C 13B corvettes are considered modern.

No need to mention BA because an army with only 18 155 mm howitzers is not a threat at all.

Finally, stop dreaming of Su 30SME and be realistic with your junk F 7 and MiG 29B.

Do you even know what you are talking about?

2 C-13B corvettes have been inducted with two more on their way soon. The only thing that is "downgraded" is their lack of anti-submarine warfare capability but that is being taken care of by a smaller ship that BD is building with Chinese assistance itself. It's anti-air warfare capabilities(FL-3000N) are light years ahead of the Igla SAMs on the Myanmar ships. The BNS Bangabhandu is another step up with the FM-90N SAM system(multiple simultaneous fire channels and 15km range) and the Otomat Mk2 AShMs. Bangabhandu is a modern ship that was commissioned in 2001 as new build.

Forget the moron Khaleda who tried to decommision the Mig-29s as she was only interested in scoring points against Hasina. BNP never spent much money on defence, certainly way less than Awami League has done now or in the past. BD defence budget is around 4 billion US dollars now when arms imports are taken into account - it is more than 50% higher than yours and that will show by 2020 after the current round of procurements are completed.

SU-30SME will come as it is an official BD government tender. Reason why BD has not signed the contract is that the Russians offered an upgraded SU-27 but BD is insistent on something like the Indian SU-30MKI or the Malaysian SU-30MKM. Once those 12 Suhkois are inducted(~2019), they will have fun hunting your Mig-29s and JF-17s for sport.

BD army only has 18 155 mm guns? Have you been looking at wiki again? Wiki states that BA only has FN-16 for airdefence. In fact it also has batteries of FM-90 SAMs as well. This is just one of many ommissions on wiki.

I would suggest that you research a bit before posting next time.

 

[Homo Sapiens]

BD army only has 18 155 mm guns? Have you been looking at wiki again? Wiki states that BA only has FN-16 for airdefence. In fact it also has batteries of FM-90 SAMs as well. This is just one of many ommissions on wiki.

Someone seriously need to update the wikipedia page on Bangladesh army equipment.I don't know who assassinated that page.That person entirely removed APC, all the artillery except 155mm, half of the tanks and many other things which were part of the page earlier.

This guy @tarpitz is a moron to believe the wikipedia page that Bangladesh has only 18, 155mm artillery.Even the IISS factbook 2016, which is not up to date for Bangladesh section(they are still showing only 7 inf. division, vintage salisbury class frigate and others) counting 841+ artillery.

Excerpt from IISS factbook 2016 page-
ARTY 841+
SP 155mm 6+ NORA B-52
TOWED 363+: 105mm 170: 56 Model 56A1; 114 Model
56/L 10A1 pack howitzer; 122mm 131: 57 Type-54/54-1
(M-30); 20 Type-83; 54 Type-96 (D-30), 130mm 62 Type-
59-1 (M-46)
MOR 472: 81mm 11 M29A1; 82mm 366 Type-53/87/M-31
(M-1937); 120mm 95 MO-120-AM-50 M67/UBM 52
AT
MSL • MANPATS 9K115-2 Metis M1 (AT-13 Saxhorn-2)
RCL 106mm 238 M40A1

 

[Aung Zaya]

Someone seriously need to update the wikipedia page on Bangladesh army equipment.I don't know who assassinated that page.That person entirely removed APC, all the artillery except 155mm, half of the tanks and many other things which were part of the page earlier.

This guy @tarpitz is a moron to believe the wikipedia page that Bangladesh has only 18, 155mm artillery.Even the IISS factbook 2016, which is not up to date for Bangladesh section(they are still showing only 7 inf. division, vintage salisbury class frigate and others) counting 841+ artillery.

Excerpt from IISS factbook 2016 page-
ARTY 841+
SP 155mm 6+ NORA B-52
TOWED 363+: 105mm 170: 56 Model 56A1; 114 Model
56/L 10A1 pack howitzer; 122mm 131: 57 Type-54/54-1
(M-30); 20 Type-83; 54 Type-96 (D-30), 130mm 62 Type-
59-1 (M-46)
MOR 472: 81mm 11 M29A1; 82mm 366 Type-53/87/M-31
(M-1937); 120mm 95 MO-120-AM-50 M67/UBM 52
AT
MSL • MANPATS 9K115-2 Metis M1 (AT-13 Saxhorn-2)
RCL 106mm 238 M40A1

Name it if u have more 155mm except Nora-B52.don't forget to bring clear and sharp photos.while We're talking about 155mm ,ur list of smaller caliber artillery is useless.

 

[Kutuzov]

Someone seriously need to update the wikipedia page on Bangladesh army equipment.I don't know who assassinated that page.That person entirely removed APC, all the artillery except 155mm, half of the tanks and many other things which were part of the page earlier.

This guy @tarpitz is a moron to believe the wikipedia page that Bangladesh has only 18, 155mm artillery.Even the IISS factbook 2016, which is not up to date for Bangladesh section(they are still showing only 7 inf. division, vintage salisbury class frigate and others) counting 841+ artillery.

Excerpt from IISS factbook 2016 page-
ARTY 841+
SP 155mm 6+ NORA B-52
TOWED 363+: 105mm 170: 56 Model 56A1; 114 Model
56/L 10A1 pack howitzer; 122mm 131: 57 Type-54/54-1
(M-30); 20 Type-83; 54 Type-96 (D-30), 130mm 62 Type-
59-1 (M-46)
MOR 472: 81mm 11 M29A1; 82mm 366 Type-53/87/M-31
(M-1937); 120mm 95 MO-120-AM-50 M67/UBM 52
AT
MSL • MANPATS 9K115-2 Metis M1 (AT-13 Saxhorn-2)
RCL 106mm 238 M40A1

He is just talking about 155 mm.
18 x 155 mm howitzer is just one fifteenth of MA's 155 mm howitzers.

363 towed gun are also one fourth of MM.

You wanna compare MM and BD artillery?

Myanmar Army artillery has far more superior fire power.

Myanmar Army has:-

136 x MLRS
- 38 x 240 mm MLRS (Myanmar)
- 98 x 122 mm MLRS (PRC/Myanmar)

310 x 155 mm howitzers
- 72 x M 845P 155 mm howitzer tow (Israel)
- 100 x KH 179 155 mm howitzer tow (ROK)
- 30 x Nora B52 155 mm howitzer SP (Serbia)
- 108 x SH 1 155 mm howitzer SP (PRC)


1000+ x 122/105 mm howitzers
- 576 x D 30-2 122 mm howitzer (PRC/Myanmar license-built)
- 200 x M 101 105 mm howitzer (US)
- 250 x M 56A1 105 mm howitzer (Serbia)
- 96 x 105 mm pack howitzer (PRC/Myanmar license-built)

900+ 120 mm Mor (Israel/France/Yugo/Myanmar)

240 mm MLRS

122 mm MLRS

SH 1 155 mm howitzer

Nora B 52 155 mm howitzer

M 845P 155 mm howitzer

KH 179 155 mm howitzer

D 30-2 122 mm howitzer

 

[Homo Sapiens]

He is just talking about 155 mm.
18 x 155 mm howitzer is just one fifteenth of MA's 155 mm howitzers.

363 towed gun are also one fourth of MM.

You wanna compare MM and BD artillery?

Myanmar Army artillery has far more superior fire power.

Myanmar Army has:-

136 x MLRS
- 38 x 240 mm MLRS (Myanmar)
- 98 x 122 mm MLRS (PRC/Myanmar)

310 x 155 mm howitzers
- 72 x M 845P 155 mm howitzer tow (Israel)
- 100 x KH 179 155 mm howitzer tow (ROK)
- 30 x Nora B52 155 mm howitzer SP (Serbia)
- 108 x SH 1 155 mm howitzer SP (PRC)


1000+ x 122/105 mm howitzers
- 576 x D 30-2 122 mm howitzer (PRC/Myanmar license-built)
- 200 x M 101 105 mm howitzer (US)
- 250 x M 56A1 105 mm howitzer (Serbia)
- 96 x 105 mm pack howitzer (PRC/Myanmar license-built)

900+ 120 mm Mor (Israel/France/Yugo/Myanmar)

240 mm MLRS

What is the source of 15 times more 155mm howitzer or 4 times more towed artillery than Bangladesh? According to IISS Factbook 2016, myanmar has total 419+ pieces of artillery of all variants.

ur list of smaller caliber artillery is useless.

Useless? Do you have any idea of how many of those ''useless'' artillery are in use in armies like China,India or Korea?

 

[Kutuzov]

What is the source of 15 times more 155mm howitzer or 4 times more towed artillery? According to IISS Factbook 2016, myanmar has total 419+ pieces of artillery of all variants.

Useless? Do you have any idea of how many of those useless artillery are in use in armies like China,India or Korea?

Military planners never rely on IISS year book.

Actual figure may be more than 15 times because Myanmar defence industries are producing from 155 mm ammunitions to 105 mm ammunitions. Whereas BD has to import all types of artillery ammunitions. If the war got prolonged, BD will face ammunition shortages.

Small caliber artilleries with shorter range are almost useless in conventional war.

Myanmar Army has already deployed three regiments of M 845P, two regiments of SH 1 and three regiments of D 30-2 in the mid and northern Rakhine state.

In the terrain like Rakhine, only the artillery will play the decisive role.

 

[Homo Sapiens]

Military planners never rely on IISS year book.

Actual figure may be more than 15 times because Myanmar defence industries are producing from 155 mm ammunitions to 105 mm ammunitions. Whereas BD has to import all types of artillery ammunitions. If the war got prolonged, BD will face ammunition shortages.

Small caliber artilleries with shorter range are almost useless in conventional war.

Myanmar Army has already deployed three regiments of M 845P, two regiments of SH 1 and three regiments of D 30-2 in the mid and northern Rakhine state.

In the terrain like Rakhine, only the artillery will play the decisive role.

Nobody is going to believe your fairy tale of ''may be more than 15 times''. IISS is the most credible source of information about military equipment and they are stating the fact. 841 pieces artillery for BD and 419 pieces for Myanmar. If you say that it is under counted for Myanmar than it is also true for BD. IISS figure is not up to date for many equipment even personnel number for Bangladesh.

It is unlikely that Myanmar has much more artillery than stated 419 pieces.Myanmar's defence budget is around 2 billion dollar,You have to give salary to vast 400k soldier from it who are underpaid.Do you think such a bulky, underpaid army will be equipped with thousands of modern artillery? or Tanks? or IFV? Is it possible to do that with such type of budget? 2 billion dollar is not even enough for paying 400k soldier decently.

Actual figure may be more than 15 times because Myanmar defence industries are producing from 155 mm ammunitions to 105 mm ammunitions. Whereas BD has to import all types of artillery ammunitions. If the war got prolonged, BD will face ammunition shortages.

Bangladesh is making artillery ammunition for a long time in a place called Bangladesh ordinance factory(BOF). It is a 302 acres military industrial complex which is tasked to produce arms for BD army.In BOF, there is a segment called, Artillery ammunition factory which is responsible for manufacturing artillery ammunition.I urge you to not to claim any bogus thing about BD without any prior knowledge.
https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/bangladesh/bof.htm

 

[Bilal9]

2 C-18B corvettes have been inducted with two more on their way soon. The only thing that is "downgraded" is their lack of anti-submarine warfare capability but that is being taken care of by a smaller ship that BD is building with Chinese assistance itself. It's anti-air warfare capabilities(FL-3000N) are light years ahead of the Igla SAMs on the Myanmar ships. The BNS Bangabhandu is another step up with the FM-90N SAM system(multiple simultaneous fire channels and 15km range) and the Otomat Mk2 AShMs. Bangabhandu is a modern ship that was commissioned in 2001 as new build.

The corvette designation is actually C13B I believe.

Bangladesh C13B-class corvette retains most of the sensor and weapon systems found on board Chinese Navy Type 056 corvettes:

» 4x C-802A Anti-ship missiles (2 launchers with 2 missiles each)
» 1x FL-3000N (export version of AJK-10 / HQ-10) Surface to air missile launcher (8x missiles)
» 1x H/PJ-26 76mm main gun
» 2x H/PJ-17 30mm dual mode (auto/manual) remote controlled naval turret

FL 3000N short-range Close-In Weapon System (CIWS):

AJK-10 (HQ-10) surface-to-air missile launcher
Image – china.cn
HHQ-10 (FL-3000N) short-range Close-In Weapon System (CIWS) Air Defense System
FL-3000N missile utilizes a combined guidance system that incorporates both passive radio frequency (RF) guidance and imaging infrared (ImIR) guidance. There are a pair of horn like protrusions mounted on the ImIR seeker at the tip of the missile, and these two protrusions are the passive RF seeker. An optional ImIR only guidance is also available and the missile is a fire and forget weapon.

Image – errymath.blogspot.com
The fire control system (FCS) of FL-3000N can simultaneously control two launchers, and can be integrated into other FCS on board ships. Alternatively, FL-3000N is also capable being directly controlled by other FCS on board ships. The system is usually fully automatic without human intervention, but manual operation can be inserted when needed.

Image – errymath.blogspot.com
Specifications:

• Length: 2 meters
• Diameter: 0.12 meter
• Minimum range: < 500 meters
• Maximum range: > 9 km for subsonic targets, > 6 km for supersonic targets
• Guidance: passive RF + ImIR or ImIR only.

C-802A and CM-802AKG Subsonic Missiles

Developed from the C-802 Anti-ship missile, the upgraded C802A missile is a subsonic, low-altitude sea-skimmer, featuring way point planning, on-off-on radar operation and multiple target selection. It can be used against maritime and fixed ground targets.

The C-802 family of missiles is targeted at medium-range attack, supplemented by the C-602 family for long-range attack and the C-701 family for short-range attack.

The base C-802 missile has been developed further into variants capable of precision surface strike by replacing the original active radar seeker with a different seeker such as television. The CM-802AKG is a one such variant reported earlier.


C-802A specifications
Guidance: active radar seeker
Range: 180km
Warhead: 190kg
Weight: 600kg (air launched) / 802kg (ship / vehicle launched)

CM-802AKG specifications
Guidance: imaging infrared radar
Range: 230km
Warhead: 285kg
Weight: 670kg




The C13B corvette is equipped with an H/PJ-26 76mm main gun and is also fitted with two H/PJ-17 30mm dual mode remote controlled weapon systems, which can be operated automatically or manually.

H/PJ-26 76mm main gun

PJ26 single tube 76MM stealth gun
PJ26 single tube 76MM gun stealth based AK176 single tube 76.2 mm gun stealth modifications on the Russian ship. In early 2000 determined by the Zhengzhou Institute of Mechanical and Electrical Engineering (713) as chief engineer units, and thus responsible for the development, general contracting, Chen Ting Feng served as the chief architect and was completed in 2003.

Performance parameters (Russia AK176 type):
　　total weight: 11500kg (including the lower deck loader)
　　Range: 11.5 ~ 15.5km
　　Rate of fire: 60 to 120 rounds / min
　　reserve ammunition: 152 Hair
　　barrel tilt range: -15 to +85 degree
　　level cyclotron range: about 175 degrees

Source haijun360.com

H/PJ-17 30mm dual mode remote controlled weapon system

Image – haijun360.com
Abbreviation: H / PJ17 single 30 mm gun, the Department finalized in 2010, 2011, appeared last single tube 30mm guns. Use the gun Norinco 206 LLP12A developed new fire control systems, radar and optical telecommunications channels, equipped with automatic boot photoelectric stations. The first four of this type of gun installed in 2011 in China Qinghai Lake No. 885 Navy offshore supply ship. Also can be used as the main gun mounted on small ships, Fitness, good, new naval weapon against small targets at sea. Source haijun360.com

 

[UKBengali]

The corvette designation is actually C13B I believe.

Bangladesh C13B-class corvette retains most of the sensor and weapon systems found on board Chinese Navy Type 056 corvettes:

» 4x C-802A Anti-ship missiles (2 launchers with 2 missiles each)
» 1x FL-3000N (export version of AJK-10 / HQ-10) Surface to air missile launcher (8x missiles)
» 1x H/PJ-26 76mm main gun
» 2x H/PJ-17 30mm dual mode (auto/manual) remote controlled naval turret

FL 3000N short-range Close-In Weapon System (CIWS):

AJK-10 (HQ-10) surface-to-air missile launcher
Image – china.cn
HHQ-10 (FL-3000N) short-range Close-In Weapon System (CIWS) Air Defense System
FL-3000N missile utilizes a combined guidance system that incorporates both passive radio frequency (RF) guidance and imaging infrared (ImIR) guidance. There are a pair of horn like protrusions mounted on the ImIR seeker at the tip of the missile, and these two protrusions are the passive RF seeker. An optional ImIR only guidance is also available and the missile is a fire and forget weapon.

Image – errymath.blogspot.com
The fire control system (FCS) of FL-3000N can simultaneously control two launchers, and can be integrated into other FCS on board ships. Alternatively, FL-3000N is also capable being directly controlled by other FCS on board ships. The system is usually fully automatic without human intervention, but manual operation can be inserted when needed.

Image – errymath.blogspot.com
Specifications:

• Length: 2 meters
• Diameter: 0.12 meter
• Minimum range: < 500 meters
• Maximum range: > 9 km for subsonic targets, > 6 km for supersonic targets
• Guidance: passive RF + ImIR or ImIR only.

C-802A and CM-802AKG Subsonic Missiles

Developed from the C-802 Anti-ship missile, the upgraded C802A missile is a subsonic, low-altitude sea-skimmer, featuring way point planning, on-off-on radar operation and multiple target selection. It can be used against maritime and fixed ground targets.

The C-802 family of missiles is targeted at medium-range attack, supplemented by the C-602 family for long-range attack and the C-701 family for short-range attack.

The base C-802 missile has been developed further into variants capable of precision surface strike by replacing the original active radar seeker with a different seeker such as television. The CM-802AKG is a one such variant reported earlier.


C-802A specifications
Guidance: active radar seeker
Range: 180km
Warhead: 190kg
Weight: 600kg (air launched) / 802kg (ship / vehicle launched)

CM-802AKG specifications
Guidance: imaging infrared radar
Range: 230km
Warhead: 285kg
Weight: 670kg




The C13B corvette is equipped with an H/PJ-26 76mm main gun and is also fitted with two H/PJ-17 30mm dual mode remote controlled weapon systems, which can be operated automatically or manually.

H/PJ-26 76mm main gun

PJ26 single tube 76MM stealth gun
PJ26 single tube 76MM gun stealth based AK176 single tube 76.2 mm gun stealth modifications on the Russian ship. In early 2000 determined by the Zhengzhou Institute of Mechanical and Electrical Engineering (713) as chief engineer units, and thus responsible for the development, general contracting, Chen Ting Feng served as the chief architect and was completed in 2003.

Performance parameters (Russia AK176 type):
　　total weight: 11500kg (including the lower deck loader)
　　Range: 11.5 ~ 15.5km
　　Rate of fire: 60 to 120 rounds / min
　　reserve ammunition: 152 Hair
　　barrel tilt range: -15 to +85 degree
　　level cyclotron range: about 175 degrees

Source haijun360.com

H/PJ-17 30mm dual mode remote controlled weapon system

Image – haijun360.com
Abbreviation: H / PJ17 single 30 mm gun, the Department finalized in 2010, 2011, appeared last single tube 30mm guns. Use the gun Norinco 206 LLP12A developed new fire control systems, radar and optical telecommunications channels, equipped with automatic boot photoelectric stations. The first four of this type of gun installed in 2011 in China Qinghai Lake No. 885 Navy offshore supply ship. Also can be used as the main gun mounted on small ships, Fitness, good, new naval weapon against small targets at sea. Source haijun360.com

My bad.

Nobody is going to believe your fairy tale of ''may be more than 15 times''. IISS is the most credible source of information about military equipment and they are stating the fact. 841 pieces artillery for BD and 419 pieces for Myanmar. If you say that it is under counted for Myanmar than it is also true for BD. IISS figure is not up to date for many equipment even personnel number for Bangladesh.

It is unlikely that Myanmar has much more artillery than stated 419 pieces.Myanmar's defence budget is around 2 billion dollar,You have to give salary to vast 400k soldier from it who are underpaid.Do you think such a bulky, underpaid army will be equipped with thousands of modern artillery? or Tanks? or IFV? Is it possible to do that with such type of budget? 2 billion dollar is not even enough for paying 400k soldier decently.

Bangladesh is making artillery ammunition for a long time in a place called Bangladesh ordinance factory(BOF). It is a 302 acres military industrial complex which is tasked to produce arms for BD army.In BOF, there is a segment called, Artillery ammunition factory which is responsible for manufacturing artillery ammunition.I urge you to not to claim any bogus thing about BD without any prior knowledge.
https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/bangladesh/bof.htm

These turds know that with the current massive BD procurements, their time will soon be up.

Lol they have more artillery than China.

 

[bluesky]

Actual figure may be more than 15 times because Myanmar defence industries are producing from 155 mm ammunitions to 105 mm ammunitions. Whereas BD has to import all types of artillery ammunitions. If the war got prolonged, BD will face ammunition shortages.

Your weapons collection seem to be second only after the USA. But, why your military did not accept our challenge in 2009 when your navy was digging for oil inside our water in the BoB? You should have shown your artillery strength by firing towards Teknaf.

What happened also in 2001 when BDR troops killed 600 of your army troops? Your military just ran away from the border without firing your fairy tale artillery. Do not ever come out with your shit hole information. Show your strength by imposing war on us rather than killing and expelling unarmed civilians from Arakan. Bloody cowards!!!

 

[ghost250]

super soldiers of myanmr armed forces,just look at them.they still wear sandels,they transport their troops like pigs,our city corporations have better garbage trucks ..

 

[UKBengali]

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super soldiers of myanmr armed forces,just look at them.they still wear sandels,they transport their troops like pigs,our city corporations have better garbage trucks ..

@Aung Zaya