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cold response to cold start doctrine

India is just too darpoke of Pakistan. After the 2002 and 2008 stand-offs, India has accepted defeat.
Defeat measured on gains and losses short and long term both, despite Pakistan assurance to act against terror group that linked by India but Indian Govt go far standoff crumpling his own economy, let the world know their weakness as military power, Just being bully and pompous no solid actions, cost if more as compared to Pakistani side.
 
Talware.

NO COUNTRY CAN FIGHT A WAR FOR ONE YEAR NOW .... not even USA or China

You FOREX is $15 billion ...

Your GDP $270 Billion

Relative indian FOREX $350 billion & GDP $2.3 trillion

India can fight for one month only AND india has ten times Pakistan resources

You people will STAND UP TEN DAYS no doubt

BEYOND THAT you will threaten nukes
 
Cold start is just a propaganda a lame try to scare Pakistan but this propaganda proves counter productive for India in the shape of tactical nukes. Many Indian generals and think tanks stated this a fake news but thanks to Indian media which help us to shape more deadly defense doctrine.
 
NO COUNTRY CAN FIGHT A WAR FOR ONE YEAR NOW .... not even USA or China
Really, I guess the over a decade war at Afghanistan by the US is just kids playing in the fields.
India can fight for one month only
You are right about that, I haven't seen or heard India fight a war for more than 1 month.
 
War in Afghinstan is NOT FULL BLOWN CONVENTIONAL CONFLICT

Do you have any idea how much it costs daily for india or Pakistan to fight a war on a daily basis using all 3 assets the resources fuel the ammo THE EFFECT ON GDP

try $300 million daily

WHAT IS THE PAKISTANI FOREX

NO TELL ME YOU GOING TO WAR FOR ONE YEAR

whose paying ???????????
 
How Pakistan is planing to conventionally counter indias CSD which aspires quick mobilization of forces? If some untoward incident happens and India mobilises its forces in 24 hours, can pakistan mobilise its forces within this limited span of time lastly is Pakistan planning to do anything other than using Nasr missiles
Cold Start doctrine is another name for Bullshi# as for Pakistan yes we can mobilize troops
 
Zarvan.

Cold start HAS pak military spouting rubbish on a daily basis about tactical nukes .

In other words we now we cant prevent CSD with our conventional inferiority so we will nuke you if you dare attack and take our cities or lands.

SO COLD START IS NOT BULL CRAP its actually preventing another suicide from your side like KARGIL or USE of proxies.

AJIT DOVAL is very clear about this govts attitude towards PAK military. = ZERO TOLERANCE
 
Indian Cold start can also be countered by Pakistani conventional forces.

Pakistan can itself use smaller brigade sized manouver groups to check indian advances in it territory. An armoured brigade sized group consisting of :

2 X Armour regiments (45 tanks each, total 90 tanks)
1 X Mech Inf Regiment (50 APC/ 900 soldiers)
1 X SP Arty Regt (18 SP Guns)
1 X SP AD Regt (shoulder based SAMS, mounted on trucks or APC)

These brigade sized groups backed by nasr missile groups can meet up with Indian Army at threatened sectors of :

Sialkot area/ Narowal
kasur
Bahawalnagar
Fort Abbas
Rahim yar Khan
Pano Aqil
Nawabshah/Umar Kot
Nagar parkar

These make upto 9 threatened sectors on the eastern border. PA has 7 independent armoured brigades and 3 anti-tank brigades, totalling 10 brigades that can counter armoured thrust of IA. The 2 armoured divisions can be held in reserve for counter attack or to fill up a gap where own forces have been badly mauled by the enemy.

PA forces sent to fight terrorists are usually infantry formations so armoured formations are already present on the eastern border to counter IA cold start.
There are main ammo and supply depots scattered across the country, some concealed in mountains, others in cantonments.
The logistical command (LOG Area Commander and Station Commander) is present at all cantonments around the country. they are tasked with providing civilian trucks in case of transport problem, POL (petroluem Oil Lubricant) supply and related medical supplies and ambulances(military and civilian) etc.
PA also gets fuel from KSA in the event of war in lieu of which PA has stationed forces in KSA to protect the Royal Saud Family and Mecca.
The ammunition storages are filled with 125mm, 130mm, 155mm shells as well as ATGM, shoulder based SAM and smaller weapons. The ammunition used against terrorists are usually 105mm (tank and artillery) and 122mm artillery. The ammunition can roughly last for 45-60 days in existing stockpiles and its doubted that the war will continue that long hence the reason IA chose cold start.
So as such the fuel, ammunition, transport and related supply problems are already covered.

An indian armoured thrust towards Lahore is easily stoppable as there are natural defences in the form of canals, then man made obstacles like bunkers,bridges, tank traps and mines. The threatened sectors lay mainly in areas south of Punjab and southern punjab.

A Pakistani independent armoured group is at the Corps HQ disposal to be used tactically for flanking an enemy offensive or counter attack after the infantry division of the corps check an enemy advance.

The second form of checking an enemy advance is the AH-1F/S choppers which can be switched from one sector to another threatened sector within minutes. These can also be used to flank enemy forces by scouting its weak area(less AD cover). Carrying 8 ATGM's and 70mm Hydra, a formation of 3-4 AH-1 can effectively destroy 20-24 enemy tanks in one strike.The modern armies formations usually at regimental/battalion level usually stop functioning as fighting formation after 33-50% of their strength is lost and are forced to retreat and re group.

The third form of strike is the use of UCAV's by the PA. Armed with upto 2 ATGM's each, these can reach out to threatened sectors where tanks will take time to reach in the absence of AH-1F or PAF support.

Although Pakistan news channels have reported that PA tanks can use nuclear shells in their main guns, but its hard to ascertain in which sectors PA may use such ammunition and then NASR missiles. If used inside pakistan territory, the land will become contaminated and dangerous for general population to access and live.

It must also be noted that an enemy armoured build-up on the borders for cold start will not go un-noticed so nuclear option must be used as last resort. Pakistan has also dictated always that nuclear weapons are a deterrence against aggression.

Pakistan is trying to deter the Indian misadventure by use of nuclear deterrence, any indian misadventure will be dealt with deaths to Indian soldiers by nuclear weapons, those who will survive will be outcast in hospitals and a medical logistic burden will become on India to cater for nuclear affected soldiers which will cost India more in the form of medical supplies and new isolated medical centres it will need to cater for radiation affected soldiers.
The effect on enemy soldiers when seeing their wounded comrades entering medical camps and hospitals with nuclear burns,new form of diseases and agonizing wounds will clip their morale.
I think its intelligent on Paksitan part to use nuclear tech for deterrence and against enemy soldiers, to lower their morale when entering Pakistan. Only time will tell which Indian commanders are stupid enough to send their soldiers to face a certain nuclear death.

Interestingly, Pakistan Army doctrine also dictates taking the fight over the border inside enemy territory. and the areas which it may also choose are south of Punjab, basically desert region. That will make things interesting when PA uses nuclear shells in indian region.
 
India just needs to mobilize the troops on the border and put them on stand by. Pakistan will have to drop every thing on western front and run to the eastern one. If the stand off continues for one or two months , the strain on the economy will soon show up. India simply needs to keep firing artillery shells for a month to bankrupt pakistan.
If it is so easy then lets try and see who is winning ,,, Barking dogs never bite ... :p

IN 65 & 71 you had guaranteed USA and china support and even the arabs.
Both in 1965 and 1971 we did not received any aid from USA or even from China,,,, Some financial help from Arab in 1965 ... so we don't bank on USA now,,, and if you claim are military reserves are so weak then why don't you try some misadventure
Talware.

NO COUNTRY CAN FIGHT A WAR FOR ONE YEAR NOW .... not even USA or China

You FOREX is $15 billion ...

Your GDP $270 Billion

Relative indian FOREX $350 billion & GDP $2.3 trillion

India can fight for one month only AND india has ten times Pakistan resources

You people will STAND UP TEN DAYS no doubt

BEYOND THAT you will threaten nukes
Pakistan reserves are 22 billion,, furthermore you are comparing apple with orranges,, No doubt Pakistan GDP is smaller but Pakistan grow its own food and trade lines of Pakistan are on its west away from India on the contrary India's major trade lines are from west that is towards Pakistan,,, with all the reserves India has to take care of much bigger population, much bigger coast line and much bigger border ,,, Remember in war against india even Taliban offerred to participate back in 2008,, so in case of war Pakistan can move all of its assets to east,,, whereas Indian cannot move millitary from China ... there are lot of natural disadvantages India has ,,,
 
Talware



Rajasthan is a desert ...... no where to hide

WITHOUT TOTAL AIR SUPREMACY YOU CANNOT HOLD A DESERT ask the arabs when they fought Israel.

without Air Superiority you cannot CROSS THE LOC

For Either to happen PAF as to make the IAF non effective FIRST .

YOUR MILITARY IS WEAK IN LOGISTICS example you have no large transport fleet or helicopter fleet so resupply taking wounded out bringing reinforcements is very poor.

BECAUSE YOU SO WEAK LOGICTICS WISE YOU WONT DARE CROSS LOC

YOU PEOPLE WILL DIG IN AND DEFEND

your main offensive weapons are your missles you wont dare cross into india outnumbered and long stretched logistically lines


I am not belittling your country or your military.

But you just cant match a military power the SIZE of india . its not possible

YES YOU CAN GO TOE TO TOE 10 DAYS but your resources will run out far quicker

IN 65 & 71 you had guaranteed USA and china support and even the arabs.

TODAY other than china ( who gave you only diplomatic help in 99) you are alone

USA will not help either side and will stop SPARES for your USA hardware to avoid a escalation
Pakistan already invaded Rajasthan in 1965, and succeeded in major gains, while Indian forces were halted at Lahore and Chawinda. Pakistan's Air Force had air superiority despite being outnumbered. Our Logisitics isnt weak, its the other way. It took a week for Indian soldiers to reach the border during the standoff and a thousand Indians died just trying to get to the border; meanwhile it took a day for Pakistani soldiers to get there. Also, we have support of many countries such as the Gulf States, Turkey and probably even Iran. It is Saudi Arabia who is funding our nuclear programs.
 
Iran

Has offered India air bases.

Iran is lot closer to india than Pakistan.

They have huge trade deals to think about including a huge new Port.

GETTING BACK TO TOPIC.

pakistans RESPONSE TO COLD START IS loud and clear

Tacticle nukes AND as I suggested AFTER 7-10 DAYS time period.

This is the time period it will take for INDIA to get WELL ON TOP and start to inflict unacceptable damage to which you may strike back with a nuke.

The threashold will be breached when one of these events happen.

1. Severe distruction of Gwader and Krachi your only sea ports by a combined Navy and air force strike
2. The distruction of your only two NUCLEAR PLANTS. BY air strikes.
3. Severe depletion of your air force after 7-10 days of fighting
4. Pak army without Air cover starting to feel brunt of indian army and airforce and you start to lose ground across LOC.


USA THINK TANKS have simulated a indo pak war based on current force levels .. THE USA has concluded you guys will checkmate and stop india for no more than 10 days.

To date other than telling me what you did 50 years ago you have not come up with one SOLID REASON how a outnumbered, out gunned. financially small country can prevent COLD START .

SIMPLE LOGIC SAYS YOU CANT
 

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