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COIN - What exactly went wrong then?

Whereas the Terrorists were eliminating the tribal leadership the entire leadership of MMA was strongly opposing the Army actions...does it not make clear the fifth column support?

If the elected government of the day in the province was not raising any voice then there had to be some sort of mutual understanding with the militants, had MMA been anti TTP there would have been attacks on the homes of the leaders of MMA (like ANP) but ofcourse no such targetting was done...
I think we should really analyze the role of MMA to understand what went wrong at that time and take those TTP supporters to courts who made sure that there was no hue and cry and public unrest over the mass assassinations of thousands of Jirga members, leaders and maliks!
The deliberate blackout by MMA government on all its functional levels has no justification and excuse unless it was to support the militants in creating a power vacuum which the power hungry political Mullahs wanted to grab later on, permanently!

I dont agree with you here, MMA was B team of Musharaf and they proved it by electing him again ,Qazi,Fazalul Rahman type of politician are actually responsible for all mess which now army is cleaning,who is paying the price not these Halwa Mullah's the army ,and general public.

Talaban mafia could never be able to grow in our land without help of local politicians and trible war lords, they used these talaban for their own intrest againt the instrest of nation and country.
 
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Fundamentalist


Actually the entire polical class is to blame, had the so-called "secular" parties not been rejectionists, the Mullah parties would not have had to be engaged - the PPP and PML-N and ANP continued to agitate instead of participating in the system, leaving Musharraf what choice?

There is no learning in our politicians, it's always power at whatever cost, it's not even about service, it just about power and feeding at the public treasury.
 
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Fundamentalist


Actually the entire polical class is to blame, had the so-called "secular" parties not been rejectionists, the Mullah parties would not have had to be engaged - the PPP and PML-N and ANP continued to agitate instead of participating in the system, leaving Musharraf what choice?

There is no learning in our politicians, it's always power at whatever cost, it's not even about service, it just about power and feeding at the public treasury.

Agreed,our political parties are basically corrupt and are not national level parties,first of all we need to develop the political parties which could represent all four provinces and majority political leadership should be selected from educated middle class which can only develop our nation,previously army picked influencial waderas and chaudaries and khans which proved totally failed.

We need to learn lesson from our mistakes , Pakistan has very important strategic location and always there is danger of external intervention ,we need solid defence and also strong and modren political system which could select the candidate on merit.
 
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Nadja


Instead of me opening a new thread, lets use this thread to discuss insurgency and counter-insurgency:

:tup:



COIN for dummies



Wednesday, June 17, 2009
Lt-Gen (r) Asad Durrani

The writer is a former chief of the ISI
Email: asad.durrani@gmail.com

I had read this article when it came in print but felt he lacked coherence in putting down his thoughts and ideas. Agreed this is no time for a blame game or not supporting army action but he did not elaborate on the practical steps that need to be taken to fight this insurgency. It was more commentary than analysis. The earlier article by John Lynn was more stream-lined and actually defined steps in this regard.


To continue the debate (and prevent the thread from being derailed), how about we come up with some points to argue on. Like may be six/seven key issues that you feel should be discussed. (Also, none of them should be retrospective.)
 
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With your permission, I would request we hold off on the six or seven points, till elements of how Pakistan have evolved their strategy become clearer - you will note that PA seems to have an entirely different methodology in mind in Waziristan -- in the mean time, I shouold like to offer the piece below - we want to first make the point )apparently it must be made repeatedly) that we are dealing with an insurgency, that like any other insurgency, it has multiple cadres, guerrilla are just one, they also have support or auxiliary cadres, experts in information operations, propaganda and of course their political enablers - and that they, the insurgents have to coordinate between all these groups and exploit grievances and create a distance and a doubt in the minds of the local peoples in the areas they have wrested control of, from the government, and of course the necessity of support and coordination of foreign element(s) :


The Taliban Diaries
Shaukat Qadir



A not very well known fact is that during the Swat operations, security forces captured the diaries of some Taliban leaders, including Muslim Khan, the spokesman for the warlord Fazlullah. I managed to lay my hands on some of them, including a diary of someone who styles himself as ‘Khalid bin Al Walid’, an obvious pseudonym.

While most of the diaries read like normal diaries, relating events of the day, recording deaths with names (some names have been kept secret by the security personnel who gave me the diaries), but a portion of each diary is a training manual. This is the fascinating portion.

These portions are restricted to detailed instructions on the conduct of urban and rural guerrilla warfare. These include instructions on carrying out ambushes, evading one if possible, and how to fight through an ambush. They list combatants under loose command structures for certain operations, and even analyses of successes and failures of operations under each, casualties inflicted and suffered; the latter with a list of names. They record why a commander has been changed, occasionally for inefficiency, but more frequently so as to find the most appropriate individual for each task.

The details of each operation, instructions on how to regroup and reorganise after success, partial success, and even failure provide a fascinating insight into the extent of their training and understanding of guerrilla operations. Occasional glimpses of Sun Tzu’s and Che Guevara’s teachings come through. What these diaries resemble most are the ‘training manuals’ captured from the rebel Contras that Nicaragua took before the International Court of Justice to present its case against the United States for involvement in training the Contra rebels. However, quite obviously, these are contained in the diaries of the leaders, those in positions of authority.

While fascinating, they are not any cause for surprise, except for how they received such detailed instructions on guerrilla warfare. However, the remaining instructions contained in the diaries of leaders as well as ‘soldiers’ are certainly cause for concern and alarm.

These instructions, in exquisite detail, are on how to make explosive devices, many with the most innocuous components like sugar, cooking oil (ghee), aluminium, Vaseline, coffee, charcoal, salt and even black seed! Other explosive components include potassium chlorate, the most frequently used, whose chemical composition, KClO3, is invariably stated. In each case, all quantities are spelt out in milligrams, and frequently with diagrams.

Instructions on the use of TNT, RDX and Plastique are also included. The ratio of each component is included in detail, and instructions include information on which composition will result in a fire-bomb, which will explode, which can be charged with ball bearings for additional effect, which should not, and why.

They also include how improvised explosive devices, IEDs, can be triggered. Methods range from conventional fuses to improvised ones from rope soaked in fuel, to ones made from a hand-wound wrist watch, an alarm clock, even a mobile phone. Instructions also include which devices can be used for which IED. In addition, they state how charges can be shaped to maximise effect in a given direction and even have instructions on biological precautions to be taken if there is prolonged exposure to certain chemicals: when to drink a glass of milk or have a quart of yoghurt if exposed to a certain chemical!

Needless to say, instructions also include details on the sensitivity of each kind of IED, what might trigger each prematurely and the life span of each. Everything necessary has been covered in minute detail. Most of this was unknown to me until I read these diaries.

While all his information is available on the Internet, it needs a specialist to even search for it. This information necessitates knowledge of chemistry, physics and biology, and the combination of such knowledge can only be found for specific purposes, such as training people to operate behind enemy lines and make do with whatever is available, mostly special operatives of intelligence agencies who might find it necessary to build and deploy an IED. Such information could also be gathered by a scientist in the pay of an organisation like Al Qaeda.


The obvious question that comes to mind is from where they obtained this information. Even a chemist would need to be pointed in the right direction to collect the relevant data and schematics. This information has to come from an intelligence agency. Mossad, CIA, RAW or ISI: take your pick.

Now we are talking about people who are not only programmed to kill through distortions of religion, but combine that religious conviction with the knowledge of highly trained operatives capable of constructing their weapons individually. Just think of them as a few thousand Rambos with a distorted version of religion to justify the havoc they can wreak
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So far they are used to operating as individuals or in a group, under the instructions of what would be called ‘a control’, in intelligence parlance. However, if the Pakistani military operations are fully successful and eliminate the leadership, the command and control, and even the training structure of all chapters of the Taliban, which they must, even if only to stop them from churning out more of these ‘killing machines’, those already trained no longer need ‘controls’ or further instructions. If only ten thousand are left, and fifty percent decide in favour of peace, five thousand suicide attackers will still be left for us to face. With one suicide attack a day, their attacks can span almost fifteen years.

As far as Pakistan’s future is concerned, the question of who trained them pales in insignificance when compared to the implication: it lends credence to a conclusion I arrived at in an earlier article, that we are not destined to see the end of murder, mayhem, and suicide attacks in Pakistan for the foreseeable future
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This article is a modified version of one originally written for the daily National. He is also former vice president and founder of the Islamabad Policy Research Institute (IPRI)
 
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It seems PA have established a variety of strategy, depending on the particulars of elements of the insurgency as it relates to the terrain and the particular political environment in the scope and the phase the PA judges them to be in:


Fighter jets bomb South Waziristan

* Two Taliban compounds, three madrassas, suspected training camp targeted
* Military blocking routes Taliban could use to flee

Staff Report

PESHAWAR: Fighter jets bombed Taliban hideouts in South Waziristan on Friday, targeting two compounds, three madrassas and a suspected training camp under the command of Baitullah Mehsud, reported the AFP news agency as – according to military sources – security forces clashed with followers of Baitullah in the region.

The military sources also said Friday’s operation “should be read as the formal launch of an offensive against Baitullah”.

“Fighter jets on Friday started bombing suspected Taliban hideouts,” an intelligence official in Wana was quoted as saying.

The AP news agency quoted intelligence officials as saying that several Taliban had been killed or wounded in the bombings. According to the agency, the bombings were launched in response to reports of Taliban’s presence in Zor Sorvakai, Madijan and Katkai areas, said the intelligence officials, adding that troop deployment in several areas was complete, and soldiers were moving towards strategic areas where “large numbers of Taliban were ... entrenched”. One of them said the military was blocking roads the Taliban could use to flee.

Meanwhile, the army clashed with Taliban while conducting an operation to clear the road linking Tanai and Sarwaki.

Other ground troops were moving into position around Baitullah’s strongholds, reported AP.
 
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So with your permission now Muse, can we cull the pieces and come up with points for debate? :cool:
 
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Nadja
Apologies for the late response, yes by all means. You have me at a disadvantage though and so may I begin by bringing up the question of "root causes" or "grievances" in so far as the insurgency in the FATA and in particular in Waziristan are concerned.

I am not sure understand what these are, can you help shed some light on this?
 
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Nadja

In the question above I had asked if you could shed some light on "root causes" because I really could not find credible "root causes", see what you can make of the case Nasim Zehra makes - Has Nasim diagnosed correctly, is she correct in her explanation of what this insurgency is about:



The eleven indispensables



Thursday, June 25, 2009
Nasim Zehra

With the Army now having demonstrated its will and ability to inflict military damage on armed insurgent groups, specifically in parts of Malakand and FATA, Pakistan will now be involved in a relatively prolonged counterinsurgency effort. While Pakistan-based sleepers and active allies of insurgents join with externally based ones, sections of Pakistan's forces will have to remain engaged in battling these groups. This would include regular fighting groups, Special Forces and various elements within the intelligence agencies. However, the initial indicators are that both numerically and in scale the insurgency threat is neither chronic, nor deep-rooted enough to turn into a long drawn out affair. Yet, factors like the terrain, weapons availability, its sporadic spread across the country and its ability to potentially win the hearts and minds of the people means that it's not a quick-win affair.

However, the speed with which this the military operations will terminate and the ability of the counterinsurgency to disable and delegitimise the militants on a long-term basis will not only depend on the military issue. The military is only one, though essential dimension. Also the causes of what Pakistan eventually faced, a national and regional insurgency, emanated from multiple sources. All those sources will have to be blocked, and simultaneously, to ensure a successful counterinsurgency effort. Of the numerous contributing factors the following 11 are noteworthy and require Pakistan to take action:

One, beginning with support to the internally displaced persons, therefore the immediate fallout of the counterinsurgency effort to sustained and focused effort on reconstruction and rehabilitation of the IDPs as they begin their homeward journey, are high-priority moves that the government must make.

Two, the government must ensure that especially military actions and reconstruction-related actions are kept transparent for the public.

Three, communication with the people on the counterinsurgency goals, actions, and achievements including timelines must be kept realistic and regular. For example, if the government prematurely announces the end of military operations in any area, as was done in the case of Swat, it will prove counterproductive. Depleting trust and perception of army's ineffectiveness in its own field of performance will be the outcome.

Three, the government must make no offer for talks to the gun-totting militants. The government's position that the militants "have to surrender to the writ of the state in accordance with laws...that we have no other option but to win this war," is a correct position.

Four, the insurgency acquired a scale and complexity also because of Pakistan's other aggravated situations, including Balochistan. Simultaneous and substantive moves are required by the government to resolve other crises that have proved to be important contributing factors in the insurgency.

Five, the government needs to move on "opening the hearts and minds" of our own people who fell prey to the insurgents' indoctrination, ironically co-authored initially by sections of some state institutions. Indoctrination through state-sponsored and private madrasas were also a principle contributing factor for these people to falling prey to the insurgents. That too must be altered.

Six, the state's failure to provide people their constitutional rights was an important factor that won the insurgency some support, but indeed the defining factor was the state's own security strategy which it initially co-authored in the eighties with the US and other players. Policy reorientation too is required to prevent through another round of state-sponsorship the resurgence of such militant groups.

Seven, the two important yet weak institutional links required for effective good governance are the local administration machinery and the law enforcement agencies. These require immediate strengthening.

Eight, alongside the practical steps taken on the civil and military fronts, a clearly articulated political message needs to be conveyed to the public, by all political leaders, reiteratively. This message, spelling out the concrete steps the government intends to give to the people the promise of a homeland that the Quaid had planned, would help create the political and emotional stamina in the public that maybe required to face the negative costs of a long drawn out counterinsurgency. A united message needs to be given to prepare the public for also the dangers that may still lie ahead. Such a message should be a unifying message coming from all political leaders.

Nine, given the genesis of the insurgency that Pakistan is now trying to defeat and debilitate, government's clearly articulated commitment to constitutional democracy and constitutionally parliamentary national security policy, is necessary. Indeed, public rejection of any attempt to opt for extra-constitutional or extra-parliamentary policy, even in the name of national interest, must be rejected.

Ten, it must remain clear that Pakistan will through legitimate means pursue its its national security and foreign policy interests within the regional and international context. This would include commitment to a resolution of Kashmir, to a democratic, not dictatorial, expansion of the United Nations Security Council, the international community's acceptance of Pakistan as a nuclear power, availability of nuclear energy to Pakistan, firming up of Pakistan's borders, including the Durand Line.

Eleven, given that the insurgency has thrived within the context of unresolved regional issues on the one hand and unresolved principles of inter-state relations on the other. Clearly to successfully battle cross-border a visionary approach requires opting for collective regional security frameworks. Pakistan should lead the move in the region for collective security.

At the core of any successful counterinsurgency effort must be factors that constitute the content of regime legitimacy. Insurgencies are always born within a de-legitimatised socio-political context to unseat incumbent authority. They typically thrive on regime hatred, people's support for the incumbency, tightly woven organisation, regular supply of weapons and guerrilla warfare tactics. Pakistan's insurgency was, however, unique in both its inception and evolution. If the current insurgency was to be traced back to the eighties it was indeed created by the state itself, it was politically and financially underwritten by the international community, it was viewed as a security asset, its militant-cum-religious ideological moorings were largely state-authored and internationally supported, multiple state players regionally and globally mobilised foot-soldiers for this insurgency.

Hence, what for want of a more appropriate label is referred to as an insurgency is actually a mini-war machine that the state and its internal and external allies put together. The mini-war machine did eventually acquire its own regional and international persona, its own autonomy and operated as a fragmented entity combining a fiend's persona with that of a Robin Hood's. If it captured hearts and minds it also spread terror in people's hearts. The rollback of this entity therefore required both counterinsurgency elements but also an ideological and political reorientation of the state itself. Unless the state and the governments remain committed to exercise of state and government authority strictly within the context of the parameters laid down with the Constitution this early signs of success in counterinsurgency may not translate into sustained and national-level success
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The writer is an Islamabad-based security analyst. Email: nasimzehra@hotmail.com
 
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Nadja

In the question above I had asked if you could shed some light on "root causes" because I really could not find credible "root causes", see what you can make of the case Nasim Zehra makes - Has Nasim diagnosed correctly, is she correct in her explanation of what this insurgency is about:



The eleven indispensables



Thursday, June 25, 2009
Nasim Zehra

With the Army now having demonstrated its will and ability to inflict military damage on armed insurgent groups, specifically in parts of Malakand and FATA, Pakistan will now be involved in a relatively prolonged counterinsurgency effort. While Pakistan-based sleepers and active allies of insurgents join with externally based ones, sections of Pakistan's forces will have to remain engaged in battling these groups. This would include regular fighting groups, Special Forces and various elements within the intelligence agencies. However, the initial indicators are that both numerically and in scale the insurgency threat is neither chronic, nor deep-rooted enough to turn into a long drawn out affair. Yet, factors like the terrain, weapons availability, its sporadic spread across the country and its ability to potentially win the hearts and minds of the people means that it's not a quick-win affair.

However, the speed with which this the military operations will terminate and the ability of the counterinsurgency to disable and delegitimise the militants on a long-term basis will not only depend on the military issue. The military is only one, though essential dimension. Also the causes of what Pakistan eventually faced, a national and regional insurgency, emanated from multiple sources. All those sources will have to be blocked, and simultaneously, to ensure a successful counterinsurgency effort. Of the numerous contributing factors the following 11 are noteworthy and require Pakistan to take action:

One, beginning with support to the internally displaced persons, therefore the immediate fallout of the counterinsurgency effort to sustained and focused effort on reconstruction and rehabilitation of the IDPs as they begin their homeward journey, are high-priority moves that the government must make.

Two, the government must ensure that especially military actions and reconstruction-related actions are kept transparent for the public.

Three, communication with the people on the counterinsurgency goals, actions, and achievements including timelines must be kept realistic and regular. For example, if the government prematurely announces the end of military operations in any area, as was done in the case of Swat, it will prove counterproductive. Depleting trust and perception of army's ineffectiveness in its own field of performance will be the outcome.

Three, the government must make no offer for talks to the gun-totting militants. The government's position that the militants "have to surrender to the writ of the state in accordance with laws...that we have no other option but to win this war," is a correct position.

Four, the insurgency acquired a scale and complexity also because of Pakistan's other aggravated situations, including Balochistan. Simultaneous and substantive moves are required by the government to resolve other crises that have proved to be important contributing factors in the insurgency.

Five, the government needs to move on "opening the hearts and minds" of our own people who fell prey to the insurgents' indoctrination, ironically co-authored initially by sections of some state institutions. Indoctrination through state-sponsored and private madrasas were also a principle contributing factor for these people to falling prey to the insurgents. That too must be altered.

Six, the state's failure to provide people their constitutional rights was an important factor that won the insurgency some support, but indeed the defining factor was the state's own security strategy which it initially co-authored in the eighties with the US and other players. Policy reorientation too is required to prevent through another round of state-sponsorship the resurgence of such militant groups.

Seven, the two important yet weak institutional links required for effective good governance are the local administration machinery and the law enforcement agencies. These require immediate strengthening.

Eight, alongside the practical steps taken on the civil and military fronts, a clearly articulated political message needs to be conveyed to the public, by all political leaders, reiteratively. This message, spelling out the concrete steps the government intends to give to the people the promise of a homeland that the Quaid had planned, would help create the political and emotional stamina in the public that maybe required to face the negative costs of a long drawn out counterinsurgency. A united message needs to be given to prepare the public for also the dangers that may still lie ahead. Such a message should be a unifying message coming from all political leaders.

Nine, given the genesis of the insurgency that Pakistan is now trying to defeat and debilitate, government's clearly articulated commitment to constitutional democracy and constitutionally parliamentary national security policy, is necessary. Indeed, public rejection of any attempt to opt for extra-constitutional or extra-parliamentary policy, even in the name of national interest, must be rejected.

Ten, it must remain clear that Pakistan will through legitimate means pursue its its national security and foreign policy interests within the regional and international context. This would include commitment to a resolution of Kashmir, to a democratic, not dictatorial, expansion of the United Nations Security Council, the international community's acceptance of Pakistan as a nuclear power, availability of nuclear energy to Pakistan, firming up of Pakistan's borders, including the Durand Line.

Eleven, given that the insurgency has thrived within the context of unresolved regional issues on the one hand and unresolved principles of inter-state relations on the other. Clearly to successfully battle cross-border a visionary approach requires opting for collective regional security frameworks. Pakistan should lead the move in the region for collective security.

At the core of any successful counterinsurgency effort must be factors that constitute the content of regime legitimacy. Insurgencies are always born within a de-legitimatised socio-political context to unseat incumbent authority. They typically thrive on regime hatred, people's support for the incumbency, tightly woven organisation, regular supply of weapons and guerrilla warfare tactics. Pakistan's insurgency was, however, unique in both its inception and evolution. If the current insurgency was to be traced back to the eighties it was indeed created by the state itself, it was politically and financially underwritten by the international community, it was viewed as a security asset, its militant-cum-religious ideological moorings were largely state-authored and internationally supported, multiple state players regionally and globally mobilised foot-soldiers for this insurgency.

Hence, what for want of a more appropriate label is referred to as an insurgency is actually a mini-war machine that the state and its internal and external allies put together. The mini-war machine did eventually acquire its own regional and international persona, its own autonomy and operated as a fragmented entity combining a fiend's persona with that of a Robin Hood's. If it captured hearts and minds it also spread terror in people's hearts. The rollback of this entity therefore required both counterinsurgency elements but also an ideological and political reorientation of the state itself. Unless the state and the governments remain committed to exercise of state and government authority strictly within the context of the parameters laid down with the Constitution this early signs of success in counterinsurgency may not translate into sustained and national-level success
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The writer is an Islamabad-based security analyst. Email: nasimzehra@hotmail.com

She did not give any practical solution in the end, Actually previous governments are responsible for Tribel war lords convertion into insuregency war machine.The governments are changing every five years and their policies also but national security policy should not be changed .In case of Pakistan half of our national life was stolen by miltery dictators so no proper national security policy formulated.

We need to develop a long term national security policy ,we need national security council to analyse ,articulate and formulate the long term national security policies which will be best in our nations intrests for long term basis.
 
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Fundamentalist

Thank you for your comments. I was hoping to better understand the "why" of this insurgency - what is this insurgency about? what does it hope to achieve? to what ends?
 
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Hi,

Just going by the title of the thread---I would say that pak army analysts were not upto par when the insurgency started a few years ago.

As a general fact----the pakistani civilians fooled themselves into believing that insurgency was nothing---the millitary intelligence and civilian think tanks made them fall into this trap of make belief of islamic brotherhood---muslims cannot do that---islam doesnot allow this---our own cannot kill our people---the pakistani politicians stated that it was justifiable to become terrorists---the news and tv media made it a holy cause to allow these statements being made from their podium---and the general pakistani joe blow and jane doe started believing in their own ra ra ra---.

So---Muse---one school of thought is that you don't need to understand this kind of insurgency which has no head or tail---the other school of thought is that people are tired of the current justice system---they want some kind of system where the criminals are punished and victims get their day in court rather than otherwise. This insurgency is growing different heads as it needs to.
 
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Hi Muse,


My beef with Musharraf is that he had the oppurtunity to make a nation out of pakistan---but he failed miserably. Pakistan was ripe for a change in 98---people were willing---civilians were with Musharraf and so was the millitary. He was the most popular millitary genaral in command.

The man who could not fear taking a bullet for the country and fearless in time of suicidal blasts against his person---tragically didnot have the cojones to punish the criminals and force the implementation of harsh punishments against them.

This insurgency took anothet turn---when it asked for islamic shariah to be enforced in certain areas---truthfull it was not islamic shariah that the taliban wanted---it was justice that the nation needed---islamic shariah is just another name of provision of justice to the weak and poor. I will bet anything that if a stricter code of law and order was enforced in the country---there will be no taliban asking for islamic shariah---what is islamic shariah---but just another name of justice and upholding the integrity of the state. That is all people want.

Pakistan will have to implement friday afternoon executions of the criminals in public places---pakistan will have to provide justice to one and sundry at all costs---justice quick and fast. Pakistan and pakistanis cannot run and hide from themselves---they will have to face this dilemma one day.

So the answer to your question is----some of this insurgency is about law and order.
 
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Fundamentalist

Thank you for your comments. I was hoping to better understand the "why" of this insurgency - what is this insurgency about? what does it hope to achieve? to what ends?

Thanks for your compliments ,are you in favour of national security council ?

Gen Karamt had also given this idea but nawaz sarif opposed him .Why should whole nation suffer from our stupid politicians and miltery dictators wrong decision.
 
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Hi Muse,


My beef with Musharraf is that he had the oppurtunity to make a nation out of pakistan---but he failed miserably. Pakistan was ripe for a change in 98---people were willing---civilians were with Musharraf and so was the millitary. He was the most popular millitary genaral in command.

The man who could not fear taking a bullet for the country and fearless in time of suicidal blasts against his person---tragically didnot have the cojones to punish the criminals and force the implementation of harsh punishments against them.

This insurgency took anothet turn---when it asked for islamic shariah to be enforced in certain areas---truthfull it was not islamic shariah that the taliban wanted---it was justice that the nation needed---islamic shariah is just another name of provision of justice to the weak and poor. I will bet anything that if a stricter code of law and order was enforced in the country---there will be no taliban asking for islamic shariah---what is islamic shariah---but just another name of justice and upholding the integrity of the state. That is all people want.

Pakistan will have to implement friday afternoon executions of the criminals in public places---pakistan will have to provide justice to one and sundry at all costs---justice quick and fast. Pakistan and pakistanis cannot run and hide from themselves---they will have to face this dilemma one day.

So the answer to your question is----some of this insurgency is about law and order.

Dear M Khan,

Religion always play a important role in formation of nation and rule of law, US is majority cristian state , their source of inspiration is their religion , they developed their nation and implement rule of law through principles similar to islam ,many generals in USA think war in Afghanistan and Iraq is crusade.They are using cristianity for spiritual strength and motivation , which is right but if you dont be ofensive to other religions.

We can also motivate our army which is majority muslim , islam is also againt terrorism and extremisim .
 
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