COAS General Kiyani warned Media and SC

[Sugarcane]

BTW who r u to tell COAS what he is? Carefully read the ISPR press release before commenting. He has categorically said that the individuals should be held accountable. Why the hell the government has not yet registered the FIR against Gen. Baig & Gen. Durrani, if they are culprits? Its government's duty now to do so.

If the Army does not want to be held accountable then why both these Generals have appeared before the supreme court in first place. They appeared in court, submit their written oaths, which only prove one thing that they are submitting themselves for accountability.


Do the research before posting such comments.

General Baig has challenged these so called elected representative to do his open trial so, that citizen should know who is who and what is what.

Let's see our democrazy is willing to go for trial or not?

Leader: Politicians are also servants, they must bow to their bosses (citizens who are paying their salaries) and must do as per wish of their maliks not to lick a$$ of foreigners or to fill their pockets.

 

[Awesome]

Again poor journalism - it was more like commenting/advising. Warning implies a threat - he made none.

 

[Sugarcane]

The civilians have one forte of patriotism, that is the payment of taxes. Exactly how many pay taxes? This shirking of responsibility is what the quoted post builds upon. The military is one of the few institutions in Pakistan that is not shirking of it's duty.

Even a poorest man pay 17% GST & 1%ED on everything he purchase, otherwise from where army is getting budget?

 

[Leader]

That depends, can the men really be charged when they were only following national policy as per the time? A policy drafted by a dictator, yes but one that was still in effect.



The civilians have one forte of patriotism, that is the payment of taxes. Exactly how many pay taxes? This shirking of responsibility is what the quoted post builds upon. The military is one of the few institutions in Pakistan that is not shirking of it's duty.

dont call it a national policy... its a proven crime !!

paying tax defines Patriotism? Jesus I was right guy with the gun issues who is patriot and who isnt !!

the army is the most out placed bolt in our system... over valued in national affairs... ruled Pak for 30 years and influenced bureaucracy and politics, and yet its not skirking of its duty in the eyes of some ?

God help us !!

 

[VCheng]

Again poor journalism - it was more like commenting/advising. Warning implies a threat - he made none.

What is the wording on the official ISPR release, if there is one?

 

[Leader]

Again poor journalism - it was more like commenting/advising. Warning implies a threat - he made none.

how exactly does one pose a threat to process of law? how nice it would have been if he had said... "see the two generals over stepped their authority and position, look what happened to them, they are convicted now by Supreme court"

instead Kiyani said... "mufti sahib...yeh kiya baat hoi..."

 

[airmarshal]

Pakistan is always going through a 'defining phase' of history. Its the inept civilian and military leadership that we are perpetually in this 'defining phase' for all of our history.

Army and the politicians are privileged classes of the country. So while they fight it out for their interests, its the public that foots the bill for their stupidities both emotionally and financially.

Army had been a dominant force in Pakistan politics. Its had moments of total control on Pakistan's political destiny. Remember the initial period of Ayub's rule and initial period of Musharraf's rule.

But they always made a wrong choice which had long term problems on the political front for the country. Musharraf did many good things and so did Ayub but they left political destruction in the wake. This has also stunted nation's political growth.

So I would say this to the Army. If we are in the defining phase, as we always are, please restrain yourself and let the nation decide who the leader of this country should be. In the background, you can ensure that the process to achieve an honest and representative leadership is transparent.

After all, we have to get out of this 'defining phase' someday!

 

[Icarus]

Even a poorest man pay 17% GST & 1%ED on everything he purchase, otherwise from where army is getting budget?

I am talking income tax, land tax, vehicle tax, development tax, etc. 18% of the value of a milk carton is not enough to run a country of 180 million.

 

[zip]

He is a good coas compared to earlier generals ..but basically he is a part of executive body which comes under current govt ..this remark is a bad example for future to follow ..

 

[VCheng]

What is the wording on the official ISPR release, if there is one?

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Edit: Here it is: :: ISPR :: Inter Services Public Relations - PAKISTAN

Press Release
No PR241/2012-ISPR Dated: November 5, 2012
Rawalpindi - November 5, 2012:

While speaking to a group of officers at GHQ, Chief of Army Staff General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani said, “as a nation, we are passing through a defining phase. We are critically looking at the mistakes made in the past and trying to set the course for a better future. An intense discussion and debate is natural in this process. No individual or institution has the monopoly to decide what is right or wrong in defining the ultimate national interest. It should emerge only through a consensus, and all Pakistanis have a right to express their opinions. The constitution provides a clear mechanism for it.

We all have a great responsibility to shoulder. We should learn from our past, try to build the present and keep our eyes set on a better future. We all agree that strengthening the institutions, ensuring the rule of law and working within the well defined bounds of the constitution is the right way forward. Weakening of the institutions and trying to assume more than one's due role will set us back. We owe it to the future of Pakistan, to lay correct foundations, today. We should not be carried away by short term considerations which may have greater negative consequences in the future.

Armed Forces draw their strength from the bedrock of the public support. National security is meaningless without it. Therefore, any effort which wittingly or unwittingly draws a wedge between the people and Armed Forces of Pakistan undermines the larger national interest. While constructive criticism is well understood, conspiracy theories based on rumours which create doubts about the very intent, are unacceptable.

The integrity and cohesion of the Armed Forces is essentially based on the trust reposed in them by the people of Pakistan. Strengthening this trust will ensure better security of the Country. Equally important is the trust between the leaders and the led of the Armed Forces. Any effort to create a distinction between the two, undermines the very basis of this concept and is not tolerated, be it Pakistan or any other country.

While individual mistakes might have been made by all of us in the Country, these should be best left to the due process of law. As we all are striving for the rule of law, the fundamental principle; that no one is guilty until proven, should not be forgotten. Let us not pre judge anyone, be it a civilian or a military person and extend it, unnecessarily, to undermine respective institutions.

All systems in Pakistan appear to be in a haste to achieve something, which can have both positive and negative implications. Let us take a pause and examine the two fundamental questions; One, are we promoting the rule of law and the Constitution? Two, are we strengthening or weakening the institutions? In the ultimate analysis, all of us would have served Pakistan better if history and our future generations judge us positively.”

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[Icarus]

dont call it a national policy... its a proven crime !!

Benazir came to power and then baldy, the policy remained intact until Musharraf did away with it. As said before they were following policy.

paying tax defines Patriotism? Jesus I was right guy with the gun issues who is patriot and who isnt !!

Sitting in your lounge and swearing at everyone other than yourself surely isn't patriotism. Paying taxes is how a civilian can be a party to his country's development and help it move in the right direction.

the army is the most out placed bolt in our system... over valued in national affairs... ruled Pak for 30 years and influenced bureaucracy and politics, and yet its not skirking of its duty in the eyes of some ?

And yet, now that it has taken to avoid National Affairs, our pseudo-intellectuals are hell bent on trying to pull the Army back into national affairs.

God help us !!

God Help us Indeed.

 

[Annu]

Warning to Media ??????

in India if some one try to "warn" media they start court-martial of that person live on Tv channels

 

[VCheng]

........
God Help us Indeed.

"God helps those who help themselves".

 

[Annu]

but where is warning yaar ?

 

[Sugarcane]

I am talking income tax, land tax, vehicle tax, development tax, etc. 18% of the value of a milk carton is not enough to run a country of 180 million.

Pakistan is being run on Indirect Taxes - as direct taxes contribute less than 20% of tax revenue. Common man also pays hell of surcharges on petrol, gas and electricity. Common salaried person also pays income tax as per law as companies give them salary after tax deduction. common man also pays 10% advance income tax on his phone bills. Army get their budgets from tax revenues, yes they are also running businesses but that business are also of public money, generals haven't made investments from their own pockets.