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More than 1,052 Ukrainian servicemen killed in Donbas so far.
NSDC says 1,052 Ukrainian soldiers killed in east since April
NSDC says 1,052 Ukrainian soldiers killed in east since April
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Russian Provocations Increase Against NATO
11 November 2014
Russia is provoking Poland on purpose to see how NATO will respond. From Popular Mechanics:
There’s also a report from the European Leadership Network describing “almost 40 sensitive incidents that have occurred over the last eight months. The locations of the majority of these are graphically represented in the map in Appendix A. These events form a highly disturbing picture of violations of national airspace, emergency scrambles, narrowly avoided mid-air collisions, close encounters at sea, and other dangerous actions happening on a regular basis over a very wide geographical area. While the majority of the documented incidents have taken place in the Baltic Sea, there have also been ‘near misses’ in the High North, Black Sea and along the U.S. and Canadian borders.”
The regular news media are paying little attention to this. (Perhaps because no one is shooting at anyone over Poland.) So we’re learning about this in Popular Mechanics—hardly a foreign policy magazine.
The war in Eastern Ukraine has also dropped off the screen, more or less, thanks most likely to the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria, but not entirely.
This is unfortunate, not because we’re about to enter a new Cold War—we aren’t—or because Russia is planning an invasion of Poland—it isn’t—but because Russia, like ISIS, is determined to disrupt the international order and scare everyone else into giving it a free pass to do whatever it wants militarily within its self-declared sphere of influence.
Which wouldn’t be a problem necessarily if Russia were a responsible power like, say, France, which unilaterally invaded Mali to take out a proto Al Qaeda state in the north. Russia is acting more like a hegemonic 19th century power. Its ideology is much less extreme than that of ISIS, of course, but its size and its strength are orders of magnitude greater. The amount of pain and disruption Russia can cause if it wants is enormous.
It’s tempting sometimes to think we’ve moved beyond that stage in our history, but Vladimir Putin and his sometimes violent supporters have not.
Michael J. Totten
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Russian Provocations Increase Against NATO
11 November 2014
Russia is provoking Poland on purpose to see how NATO will respond. From Popular Mechanics:
NATO and allied jets have scrambled more than 100 times this year in response to Russian military sorties. This activity is growing more dramatic. Within the last week, NATO intercepted four groups of Russian aircraft. "These sizable Russian flights represent an unusual level of air activity over European airspace," the alliance said in a statement.
When the planes at Łask jump into action, it's called a Quick Reaction Alert, or QRA. Lt. Col. Ireneusz "Palm" Nowak, the base commander at Łask, says that while the Russians keep to their own airspace, the Poles scramble fighters to shadow them whenever they come near. Sometimes, Nowak says, Russian aircraft cruise right up to the Polish border in what professionals call RECCE missions — reconnaissance endeavors meant to test the enemy's readiness.
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Because they can't match the Russians plane-for-plane, the Poles look to the United States for help. The U.S. has responded with an increased presence, but the American warplanes here arrive unarmed. They're here to train the Poles, not fight alongside them.
When the planes at Łask jump into action, it's called a Quick Reaction Alert, or QRA. Lt. Col. Ireneusz "Palm" Nowak, the base commander at Łask, says that while the Russians keep to their own airspace, the Poles scramble fighters to shadow them whenever they come near. Sometimes, Nowak says, Russian aircraft cruise right up to the Polish border in what professionals call RECCE missions — reconnaissance endeavors meant to test the enemy's readiness.
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Because they can't match the Russians plane-for-plane, the Poles look to the United States for help. The U.S. has responded with an increased presence, but the American warplanes here arrive unarmed. They're here to train the Poles, not fight alongside them.
There’s also a report from the European Leadership Network describing “almost 40 sensitive incidents that have occurred over the last eight months. The locations of the majority of these are graphically represented in the map in Appendix A. These events form a highly disturbing picture of violations of national airspace, emergency scrambles, narrowly avoided mid-air collisions, close encounters at sea, and other dangerous actions happening on a regular basis over a very wide geographical area. While the majority of the documented incidents have taken place in the Baltic Sea, there have also been ‘near misses’ in the High North, Black Sea and along the U.S. and Canadian borders.”
The regular news media are paying little attention to this. (Perhaps because no one is shooting at anyone over Poland.) So we’re learning about this in Popular Mechanics—hardly a foreign policy magazine.
The war in Eastern Ukraine has also dropped off the screen, more or less, thanks most likely to the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria, but not entirely.
This is unfortunate, not because we’re about to enter a new Cold War—we aren’t—or because Russia is planning an invasion of Poland—it isn’t—but because Russia, like ISIS, is determined to disrupt the international order and scare everyone else into giving it a free pass to do whatever it wants militarily within its self-declared sphere of influence.
Which wouldn’t be a problem necessarily if Russia were a responsible power like, say, France, which unilaterally invaded Mali to take out a proto Al Qaeda state in the north. Russia is acting more like a hegemonic 19th century power. Its ideology is much less extreme than that of ISIS, of course, but its size and its strength are orders of magnitude greater. The amount of pain and disruption Russia can cause if it wants is enormous.
It’s tempting sometimes to think we’ve moved beyond that stage in our history, but Vladimir Putin and his sometimes violent supporters have not.
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Artillery spotting radars. Game changer.
Ukraine Live Day 268: Attack On Checkpoint Northwest Of Mariupol | The Interpreter
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It's much more in fact.
Never trust to official Ukrainian sources since they hide their loses.
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So vostok what is your analysis on this, will novorussian will gain more ground or the ukrainian will. What is the situation on Donesk airport, still a meat grinder or the novorussian has taken over it. Please also tell me the best site/group where current situation can be read. Thanks...
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Ukrainian army totally unprepared for winter war. Even that uniforms which donates by citizens or Western organizations - mostly stolen and does not go to the soldiers. Plus, the new "government" of Ukraine wants to resubordinate battalions of mercenaries, which make up almost half of the combat-ready units fighting on the side of the junta. Those battalions are currently subordinate only to the oligarchs who pay them. Of course, they do not only fight, but also engaged in kidnapping, racketeering, blackmail, torture, and other things.
Everything will be decided in the Kremlin. If in Moscow wins suppositive "Patriotic Party", the militia will go to attack and stop only where it is ordered. But all guess and analyze are useless, all we can do is just wait.
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Not many armoured machines left anymore-losses from summer are too big.Very old BMPs coming in service after repair.Kongo order of 50ish upgraded tanks was canceled and tanks send to front line(so soon NAF gonna have new toys to play with 
).Same goes for air forces-those few left planes/helicopters not doing combat missions anymore apart from occasional high altitude flight.Both sides have roughly same amount of armoured and artillery units now.From the available sources in russian net looks like NAF have enough people and equipment to kick USA backed ukrainian "cyborgs" out of their land.But as Vostok has noted -all depends of orders from Moscow.Russia still prefer political solution,but fighting still continue from Mariupol(south) to Stanitza Lyganskaya(to the east) and everyday people keep dying.
).Same goes for air forces-those few left planes/helicopters not doing combat missions anymore apart from occasional high altitude flight.Both sides have roughly same amount of armoured and artillery units now.From the available sources in russian net looks like NAF have enough people and equipment to kick USA backed ukrainian "cyborgs" out of their land.But as Vostok has noted -all depends of orders from Moscow.Russia still prefer political solution,but fighting still continue from Mariupol(south) to Stanitza Lyganskaya(to the east) and everyday people keep dying.
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this thing - T64BM1MKongo order of 50ish upgraded tanks was canceled and tanks send to front line(so soon NAF gonna have new toys to play with
soon in strong hands of militias
Yep this one hehe .Even today in the messages coming from DNR/LNR was said one of long expected Bulats(could be one of above mentioned tanks) was damaged during once again unsuccessul airport attack but managed to get away.Hopefully NAF will be able to "find " soon 9M133 Kornets to better deal with such upgraded machines.
soon 9M133 Kornets to better deal with such upgraded machines.Similar threads
