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i give you time to answer this... in india, why does not a single hindu temple idol go "hungry" nor do crows nor do dogs... yet, there are 69 people dead by hunger in the darjeeling tea plantations... can you explain why should india not be invaded by world socialist militaries and the local anti-human callous back-stabbing selfish superstitious culture eradicated... i am serious...

it is pretty simple.

Money. At the end of the day, Humans aren't going to be motivated by some vague socialistic nation of egalitarianism.

Is there a financial gain or any other advantage to be gained by indulging in that venture? No? then there will be no interest.

Even the soldiers of Allah and Jesus Christ have to bend their knees to money. Because without the moolah, they cannot bring the kingdom of the faithful among the heretics.

socialism is another form of religion. There will always be inequality among Humans, There will always be hierarchy.

There are lessons to be learned how easily the European powers craved up the sub-continent, Middle East and the Americas.

It has nothing to do with Jesus, Nothing to do with Islam, and certainly nothing to do with socialism I can tell you that.

You can see church fathers and churches serving wine but the fact they will distribute bread and grape juice... Don't twist...

The Preservation of Grape Juice

well good luck arguing with her :p
 
You can see church fathers and churches serving wine but the fact they will distribute bread and grape juice... Don't twist...

The Preservation of Grape Juice

Do not sprout nonsense. I go to christian weddings frequently and they serve wine in the church. Even in Kerala the Chruches have permits to sell wine. Not grape juice.
 
The temples are under govt control. The funds the temples get goes to the govt to provide you the roads and secular purposes. So it is the Hindus and their temples who are actually funding the development in this country.

The dead people are not because of temples, but because of socialism/communism which drove our all industries from WB. They formed unions and chased out all entrepreneurs. Now having no skill and no innovation to set up industries on their own, they are starving. Blame them and communism. Not the temples.
Donor benefits

High value donors are classified under 3 categories and TTD provides uniform privileges to these donors. In addition, there might be privileges specific to each of the above schemes.
Rs 1 million and above: 3 Days accommodation in VIP Suite for family (5 or less) and admission for Archananantara Darsanam three times for a family (5 or less) in a year. 20 small laddus, 10 mahaprasadam packets and one vastra bahumanam once a year. One gold coin (5 g) and gold coated silver medallion during the first visit. The privileges apply during the lifetime of the donor or 20 years in case of companies. Income tax benefit is applicable under Indian law for these donations
Rs 500,000 to Rs 1 million: 3 Days accommodation for ARP/VIP Suite for family (5 or less) and admission for darshan (Cellar Vaikuntham) three times for a family (5 or less) in a year. 10 small laddus, 5 mahaprasadam packets and one vastra bahumanam once a year. One gold coin (5 g) and gold coated silver medallion during the first visit. The privileges apply during the lifetime of the donor or 20 years in case of companies. Income tax benefit is applicable under Indian law for these donations
Rs 100,000 to Rs 500,000: 1 Day accommodation for ARP/VIP Suite for family (5 or less) and admission for darshan (Cellar Vaikuntham) for a family (5 or less) once in a year. 6 small laddus and one vastra bahumanam once a year. The privileges apply during the lifetime of the donor or 20 years in case of companies.
Tirumala Tirupati Devasthanams - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As far as I know.. In front of God everyone is equal... Then what is this...


Is Lord's property safe in Tirumala Tirupati Devasthanams hands? - TOI Mobile | The Times of India Mobile Site
TIRUPATI: When Pallava king Thondaiman sang in praise of Perumal (Lord Venkateswara) and built the temple 1,900 years ago, little did the world know that one of the most revered Hindu gods had a little mischief hidden in the ever flowing 'Perumal jalam' (Viraja nadi waters) on which the Moolavirat stands in the form of boundless wealth. That treasure now flows seamlessly and is worth over a mind-numbing Rs 1,00,000 crore and still counting. The coffers (read hundi offerings) of the Tirumala Tirupati Devasthanams (TTD) alone receive about Rs 600 crore of offerings from pilgrims every year.

The Lord is weighed down not only by the prayers and requests of lakhs of pilgrims, but also by more than 12,000 kg of gold, ornaments and other precious jewels and 11,000 kg of silver worth over Rs 50,000 crore. The 8-feet black-coloured main idol is loaded up with at least 65-70 kg of gold ornaments every day and it is estimated that in a single day offerings to the Lord ranges between Rs 80 lakh and Rs 1.5 crore. A single crown studded with diamonds and rubies weighs about 30 kg and worth lakhs. The dome of the shrine- called 'Ananda Nilayam' - is coated with gold by Vijayanagara king Sri Krishnadevaraya. The Lord also sits over cash deposits worth Rs 10,000 crore.

Not to forget, the Tirumala temple owns land valued at thousands of crores across the country. Following a directive from AP High Court in 2009, the TTD and the AP government did a survey on TTD land taking into account the cottages, choultries and other structures (not temples) and the land holding was found to be 4,200 acres. "The land was worth Rs 33,500 crore as per conservative government valuation. As per present market value, it could easily touch Rs 90,000 crore," a senior TTD official points out. Apart from properties and wealth of the Tirumala temple, TTD controls over 40 temples which are in possession of over 100 kg of gold ornaments and 100 kg of silver. In many cases, the donations are unusually generous. Mining baron and former Karnataka minister Gali Janardhan Reddy, in Bangalore jail now, offered a diamond-studded crown worth Rs 42 crore to the Lord two years ago. Officials claim that the images of the jewels and golden utensils are stored along with their descriptions and information on the donors by maintaining 13 registers called `Thiruvabharanams.' "The main deity and the processional deities are adorned with 1,100 varieties of jewels," a temple official explains. TTD deposits over 4,000 kg of gold in nationalized banks and piece and ornamental gold in the Mumbai mint for converting them into dollars in various denominations for sale to the pilgrims.

The TTD treasury called 'Bokkasam' is where the precious gold and ornaments are stored. But it came under scanner in June 2006 after 300 gold dollars worth Rs 15.40 lakh went missing. Bokkasam clerk `Dollar' Seshadri was nailed in a vigilance report but Seshadri is back and is seen with the high and mighty inside the temple portals. "TTD Board Rules of 1990 stipulate an annual verification and inventory taking of the jewellery. A physical verification by a senior officer must be conducted but this is not being strictly followed," points out member of Tirumala Devalaya Parirakshana Samithi S Susheela. Gold necklaces as long as 15-18 ft, crowns studded with emeralds, rubies and diamonds -- symbols of the Krishnadevaraya royalty -- were taken stock of by a panel from the Mines and Minerals Trading Corporation of India, which submitted a valuation report to the High Court. The report said that the antique jewellery of the Lord was worth several thousands of crores.

"The value of the Lord's properties and wealth is almost equal to the AP's budget of Rs 1.4 lakh crore. But there is always a question mark on the TTD's ability to protect the Lord's properties," auditor Lakshman Rao says. The TTD has also other sources of income through the sale of Arjitha seva tickets (Rs 300 crore a year), special entry tickets (Rs 300 crore), human hair (Rs 300 crore) and laddus (Rs 100 crore). "Without sevas and rituals also, pilgrims will continue to flock Tirumala and donate liberally. Such is the power of Lord Venkateswara," Chakravarthy Raghavan of Rashtriya Sanskrit Vidya Peeth says.
 
I like to question you one thing... What is your view about multiple wives? Krishna and his 16000 wives...

Krishna married 16,000 or 16,100 maidens who were held captive by the demonNarakasura, to save their honour.[79][80] Krishna killed the demon and released them all. According to social custom of the time, all of the captive women were degraded, and would be unable to marry, as they had been under the Narakasura's control. However Krishna married them to reinstate their status in the society. This symbolic wedding with 16,100 abandoned daughters was more of a mass women rehabilitation.

It was a symbolic wedding like your nuns marry to Christ and consider themselves wives of Christ.
 
HYDERABAD: The TTD Trust board under the leadership of its chairman K Bapiraju has approved Rs 2401.70 crore budget for the fiscal year 2014-15.

The TTD board chief briefing the media persons on the expected income through various means said that the offerings, to be made by millions of devotees in the temple 'hundi' (offering box), is expected to fetch about Rs 900 crore while the interest on investments deposited in national banks by TTD was estimated to account for Rs 655 crore, while the sale of human hair is expected to bring 190 crore to TTD coffers, with prasadams sale profiting TTD up to 190 crore while on the rentals TTD is expecting an income of 108cr during the financial year 2014-15.

The TTD has allotted Rs 150 crore to the engineering department, Rs 109 crore towards Hindu Dharma Prachara activities, about Rs 88 crore towards education, Rs 91.92 crore on health and sanitation, Rs 51.84 crore to TTD Vigilance and Security wing and Rs 55.65 crore towards development of TTD-run hospitals.

Some important decisions of TTD board are:

1. Nod to allot budget of Rs 8.75 crore towards the gold covering works of six vehicles that are used duing Brahmotsavams in the temple of Goddess Padmavathi Ammavaru at Tiruchanoor.

2. Green signal to give free treatment for the patients (white ration card holders) in TTD-run super specialty hospital of SVIMS in Tirupati. Even though if the patient does not have the white ration card and is suffering from chronic disease, the board has given discretionary powers to SVIMS director to give free treatment to the patient.

The board has also constituted a six member team comprising board members Siva Prasad, Venkatramana, Ravindra, Kannaiah, SVIMS Ddrector and CMO TTD to study such cases on which additional financial burden was incurred by SVIMS. Based on their report, TTD will provide financial aid to SVIMS.

3. Allotment of house sites and flats to employees of TTD as per the resolution taken by the then board in 2007 since the issue has overcome legal constraints. However the sites or flats will be provided as per the existing market rates and following the instructions of the apex court.

4. Stipend of Rs 1 lakh will be provided to students who are undergoing three year course in TTD Sculptural Institution.

Rs 2401 crore budget for Tirumala Tirupati Devasthanams - TOI Mobile | The Times of India Mobile Site

Krishna married 16,000 or 16,100 maidens who were held captive by the demonNarakasura, to save their honour.[79][80] Krishna killed the demon and released them all. According to social custom of the time, all of the captive women were degraded, and would be unable to marry, as they had been under the Narakasura's control. However Krishna married them to reinstate their status in the society. This symbolic wedding with 16,100 abandoned daughters was more of a mass women rehabilitation.

It was a symbolic wedding like your nuns marry to Christ and consider themselves wives of Christ.
Any how.. I don't Want to extend talk further about krishna...
 
Donor benefits

High value donors are classified under 3 categories and TTD provides uniform privileges to these donors. In addition, there might be privileges specific to each of the above schemes.
Rs 1 million and above: 3 Days accommodation in VIP Suite for family (5 or less) and admission for Archananantara Darsanam three times for a family (5 or less) in a year. 20 small laddus, 10 mahaprasadam packets and one vastra bahumanam once a year. One gold coin (5 g) and gold coated silver medallion during the first visit. The privileges apply during the lifetime of the donor or 20 years in case of companies. Income tax benefit is applicable under Indian law for these donations
Rs 500,000 to Rs 1 million: 3 Days accommodation for ARP/VIP Suite for family (5 or less) and admission for darshan (Cellar Vaikuntham) three times for a family (5 or less) in a year. 10 small laddus, 5 mahaprasadam packets and one vastra bahumanam once a year. One gold coin (5 g) and gold coated silver medallion during the first visit. The privileges apply during the lifetime of the donor or 20 years in case of companies. Income tax benefit is applicable under Indian law for these donations
Rs 100,000 to Rs 500,000: 1 Day accommodation for ARP/VIP Suite for family (5 or less) and admission for darshan (Cellar Vaikuntham) for a family (5 or less) once in a year. 6 small laddus and one vastra bahumanam once a year. The privileges apply during the lifetime of the donor or 20 years in case of companies.
Tirumala Tirupati Devasthanams - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As far as I know.. In front of God everyone is equal... Then what is this...


Is Lord's property safe in Tirumala Tirupati Devasthanams hands? - TOI Mobile | The Times of India Mobile Site
TIRUPATI: When Pallava king Thondaiman sang in praise of Perumal (Lord Venkateswara) and built the temple 1,900 years ago, little did the world know that one of the most revered Hindu gods had a little mischief hidden in the ever flowing 'Perumal jalam' (Viraja nadi waters) on which the Moolavirat stands in the form of boundless wealth. That treasure now flows seamlessly and is worth over a mind-numbing Rs 1,00,000 crore and still counting. The coffers (read hundi offerings) of the Tirumala Tirupati Devasthanams (TTD) alone receive about Rs 600 crore of offerings from pilgrims every year.

The Lord is weighed down not only by the prayers and requests of lakhs of pilgrims, but also by more than 12,000 kg of gold, ornaments and other precious jewels and 11,000 kg of silver worth over Rs 50,000 crore. The 8-feet black-coloured main idol is loaded up with at least 65-70 kg of gold ornaments every day and it is estimated that in a single day offerings to the Lord ranges between Rs 80 lakh and Rs 1.5 crore. A single crown studded with diamonds and rubies weighs about 30 kg and worth lakhs. The dome of the shrine- called 'Ananda Nilayam' - is coated with gold by Vijayanagara king Sri Krishnadevaraya. The Lord also sits over cash deposits worth Rs 10,000 crore.

Not to forget, the Tirumala temple owns land valued at thousands of crores across the country. Following a directive from AP High Court in 2009, the TTD and the AP government did a survey on TTD land taking into account the cottages, choultries and other structures (not temples) and the land holding was found to be 4,200 acres. "The land was worth Rs 33,500 crore as per conservative government valuation. As per present market value, it could easily touch Rs 90,000 crore," a senior TTD official points out. Apart from properties and wealth of the Tirumala temple, TTD controls over 40 temples which are in possession of over 100 kg of gold ornaments and 100 kg of silver. In many cases, the donations are unusually generous. Mining baron and former Karnataka minister Gali Janardhan Reddy, in Bangalore jail now, offered a diamond-studded crown worth Rs 42 crore to the Lord two years ago. Officials claim that the images of the jewels and golden utensils are stored along with their descriptions and information on the donors by maintaining 13 registers called `Thiruvabharanams.' "The main deity and the processional deities are adorned with 1,100 varieties of jewels," a temple official explains. TTD deposits over 4,000 kg of gold in nationalized banks and piece and ornamental gold in the Mumbai mint for converting them into dollars in various denominations for sale to the pilgrims.

The TTD treasury called 'Bokkasam' is where the precious gold and ornaments are stored. But it came under scanner in June 2006 after 300 gold dollars worth Rs 15.40 lakh went missing. Bokkasam clerk `Dollar' Seshadri was nailed in a vigilance report but Seshadri is back and is seen with the high and mighty inside the temple portals. "TTD Board Rules of 1990 stipulate an annual verification and inventory taking of the jewellery. A physical verification by a senior officer must be conducted but this is not being strictly followed," points out member of Tirumala Devalaya Parirakshana Samithi S Susheela. Gold necklaces as long as 15-18 ft, crowns studded with emeralds, rubies and diamonds -- symbols of the Krishnadevaraya royalty -- were taken stock of by a panel from the Mines and Minerals Trading Corporation of India, which submitted a valuation report to the High Court. The report said that the antique jewellery of the Lord was worth several thousands of crores.

"The value of the Lord's properties and wealth is almost equal to the AP's budget of Rs 1.4 lakh crore. But there is always a question mark on the TTD's ability to protect the Lord's properties," auditor Lakshman Rao says. The TTD has also other sources of income through the sale of Arjitha seva tickets (Rs 300 crore a year), special entry tickets (Rs 300 crore), human hair (Rs 300 crore) and laddus (Rs 100 crore). "Without sevas and rituals also, pilgrims will continue to flock Tirumala and donate liberally. Such is the power of Lord Venkateswara," Chakravarthy Raghavan of Rashtriya Sanskrit Vidya Peeth says.

Yes everyone is equal before god and so is it in Tirupathi. The extra money collected from darshan charges goes towards running many schools, hospitals, and charities. Also Tirupathi is under the control of govt. So funds are diverted for secular purposes too.

Why not question your Vatican which owns 1000s times the wealth that Tirupathi owns. Always eyeing the money of the pagans, huh? Bad habits never go.
 
You can see church fathers and churches serving wine but the fact they will distribute bread and grape juice... Don't twist...

The Preservation of Grape Juice
Ya, that is really not true. Jews of that time just as today, drank wine, not grape juice. Indeed, in passover celebrations (ceder) then as now the center of the meal is wine & bread (matzah), just as Jesus used at the Last Supper when He and the apostles gathered for Passover.

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Evangelicals have been laughed out of western societies. They have found that they find willing followers in countries stricken by poverty and hunger. Where people take their words seriously.

Are you kidding me?
Why do you think the American South is called the Bible Belt?
 
Do not sprout nonsense. I go to christian weddings frequently and they serve wine in the church. Even in Kerala the Chruches have permits to sell wine. Not grape juice.
I can see your hatred... Most Churches serve grape juice... As you been to marriages you might seen wine... There is difference between you and me.. I argued on behalf of Hindus and Hindu culture whenever other nationals criticise... But if other nationals criticising Christianity you will join with them.. I'm here in this Pdf from many years... Unlike you I never drag any God or argued like this....
 
Money. At the end of the day, Humans aren't going to be motivated by some vague socialistic nation of egalitarianism.

Is there a financial gain or any other advantage to be gained by indulging in that venture? No? then there will be no interest.

little cuba sent a few hundreds of thousands of soldiers to fight for socialism in angola ( southern africa ) is the 1970's and 80's... the same little cuba has now sent its famous medical personnel to fight ebola in west africa.

what was their motivation??

did they want to cut diamond deals in angola?? diamonds for use in trade and military purposes?? possibly... but why not just sit back, let that war decide its victor and then do deal with the victor??

why send a team to ebola-affected areas?? to get sample of ebola virus for bio-weapons programs?? possibly... but surely, one can just send a secret team and kidnap a ebola patient... why endanger a whole open team?? and consequently, others in cuba on their return??

Even the soldiers of Allah and Jesus Christ have to bend their knees to money. Because without the moolah, they cannot bring the kingdom of the faithful among the heretics.

the expeditions by the crusaders and tariq bin ziyad, much earlier, were not really for money, yes?? :-)

socialism is another form of religion.

agreement.

There will always be inequality among Humans, There will always be hierarchy.

hierarachy does not always mean inequality... at least not in the sense of "injustice".

There are lessons to be learned how easily the European powers craved up the sub-continent, Middle East and the Americas.

and the europeans do that to till day... their invasions of libya and syria, for example... and their putting of india vs pakistan... so yes, you are correct.

It has nothing to do with Jesus, Nothing to do with Islam, and certainly nothing to do with socialism I can tell you that.

i disagree.

well good luck arguing with her :p

you should have said that to me too :rofl:

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you know, i just let myself be naive and innocent... that is the only way i will believe in the goodness of others beyond the supposed goodness of my local ethnicity and my local religion. :-)
 
Yes everyone is equal before god and so is it in Tirupathi. The extra money collected from darshan charges goes towards running many schools, hospitals, and charities. Also Tirupathi is under the control of govt. So funds are diverted for secular purposes too.

Why not question your Vatican which owns 1000s times the wealth that Tirupathi owns. Always eyeing the money of the pagans, huh? Bad habits never go.


Those churches spending billions in Africa Asia...
 
Those churches spending billions in Africa Asia...

Yeah right. That is why there is war everywhere the church goes. That is why Africa is in such bad shape as it is.
 
Do not sprout nonsense. I go to christian weddings frequently and they serve wine in the church. Even in Kerala the Chruches have permits to sell wine. Not grape juice.
yes you are right,Its wine,not grapes juice....The church is managing 24 wine distilleries in Kerala alone...
 
I can see your hatred... Most Churches serve grape juice... As you been to marriages you might seen wine... There is difference between you and me.. I argued on behalf of Hindus and Hindu culture whenever other nationals criticise... But if other nationals criticising Christianity you will join with them.. I'm here in this Pdf from many years... Unlike you I never drag any God or argued like this....

Lying again and again does not get you anywhere. Hinduism is the culture and religion of this land. Christianity has done a lot of damage to India and continues to do which is why lots of churches are under the scanner of the govt and intelligence agencies.

yes you are right,Its wine,not grapes juice....The church is managing 24 wine distilleries in Kerala alone...

Now make the other Christians arguing with me here believe that.

Wiki as a source ? The other one is the link you gave.

I do not contribute to Wiki or edit its pages. That page was put up by Christians with deep knowledge of Christianity. Argue with them. That other link I gave could be the revisionists version.
 
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