Chinese Satellite Fleet Grows, And Grows

[qwerrty]

@qwerrty,

The important factor is reliability. With over 15 successful launches in a row PSLV is a King in its class of launchers.

Can someone give a reliable source that china has .6 mt capability?

"For thirteen years, between August 1996 and August 2009, 75 consecutive successful launches were conducted, ending with the launch of Palapa-D on August 31, 2009, which partially failed due to a third stage malfunction.

The Long March is China's primary expendable launch system family. The Shenzhou spacecraft and Chang'e 1 lunar orbiter are also launched on the Long March rocket. The maximum payload for LEO is 12,000 kg (CZ-3B), the maximum payload for GTO is 5,500 kg (CZ-3B/E). The next generation rocket – Long March 5 variants will offer more payload in the future."

Long March (rocket family) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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China to Launch Satellite for France's Eutelsat

China to Launch Satellite for France's Eutelsat China's rocket industry has scored a commercial coup with its first deal in more than a decade to launch a private communications satellite for a major Western operator, according to U.S. and European industry officials.

The agreement to put a five-ton satellite for France's Eutelsat Communications into orbit, apparently wrapped up in the past few days...

Since the late 1990s, U.S. policy restricting China from launching satellites made with U.S. parts has effectively barred it from launching mainstream Western commercial satellites, restricting it to dealing with second-tier operators linked to governments in Nigeria, Venezuela and parts of Asia.

*//online.wsj.com/article/SB123550142763361701.html?mod=googlenews_wsj#articleTabs%3Darticle

 

[chauism]

@qwerrty,

How many launch agencies u know?
4 or 5 ? India is one of them.

The capability of PSLV is 2 Tonnes.
So wheather its upn the client what payload they want to send.

Mind it that even if u have to send a 'toy' in space millions have to be invested and india has the edge to the same in just half the price as compared to the rest of the world.

Except for the heavy communication satellites, sor Remote Sensing 2 2on Class sats.. Sufficient for most of the needs of countries lookiing for cheap launchers.

The important factor is reliability. With over 15 successful launches in a row PSLV is a King in its class of launchers.

Can someone give a reliable source that china has .6 mt capability?

For a country even denied the military use of its Yaogan satellite, do you expect it to give out the exact number on its resolution?

Long March series rocket had 125 launches which 117 of these were successful, thus having a 93.6% of success rate. PSLV had 17 launches which 15 of those were successful, thus having 88.2% of success rate.

China had 2 ton payload rockets of CZ-2A back in 1974 already. Now its most capable rocket CZ-3B is able to lift 12 tons of payload into LEO. 25 ton class CZ-5 is going to debut in 2014.

India's own achievement in space program is very recommendable, but like any science, there is no short cut in space program(I think Qian Xueshen was China's shortcut though, but that was once in a life time opportunity). It took time and tremendous effort with the right people working on it to get where China is today now.

 

[Speeder 2]

@speeder2

I have a better suggestion .. Please read Before u post.

TES and CARTOSAT 1 and 2 are 200% Indian Sats. These have 1 and .8 mt. Res. Capability only second to USA.

The Israeli Sat is NOT Being Referred Here. Its Different from CATOSAT.

Please update ur Info, Before Trolling yet calling others as Trollers...

Well, you seem never get the hint, do you?

No top space power ( China, Russia, China, EU and Japan) will give the detail resolutions and other highly classified info on its latest spy satellites, except some third grade wannabes such as India.


0.6m resolution you keep bragging about that is "made-in-India" AND "2rd best in the world" is a joke, becasue it is impossible, especially on both terms!




Let me tell you why:

0.61m resolution high quality imaging service has been widely available in the world market since the 90s. As any joe who has some $ can buy this kind of private services such as QuickBrid, can you imagine what kind of resolution qualities those world-class space powers had in their millitary spy satellites, which were surely beyond public avalable services of 0.61m resolution.

And this 0.61m resolution was only for the 90s, how about now? ?

Source: U.S. Centennial Flight Commision. gov

Spaceflight :Reconnaissance and Signals Intelligence Satellites

Quote:

China also developed film-return satellites starting in the 1980s, and may have a real-time reconnaissance satellite today. France led a consortium of European countries during the 1990s and orbited its Helios reconnaissance satellite. France has also sought to develop small signals intelligence satellites as well. In the late 1980s, Israel launched its first imaging satellite, called Ofeq, and has since followed with others. Other countries, such as India, have also sought to develop a satellite reconnaissance capability. But the emergence of commercial imaging satellites in the late 1990s, capable of taking images of objects as small as two feet (0.61 meter) across, means that a capability once available only to the superpowers is now available to any country—or person—with a credit card.

This alone gives a hint of how far India is behind big boys ( China is certainly there).



Furthermore, if one doesn't know details about the quality of millitary spy sat resolution as we do since they're classified, one still can easily look at its proxy ---->> high quality civilian digital lens manufacturers, as cameras used in spy sat are nothing more than an improved version of civilian ones.

Never heard of Germany Leica lens? And lens giants such as Japan's Nikon, Canon, Minolta, Panasonic, etc? China mainland alone has over 600 high quality lens manufactorers on an industrial scale. All Japanese lens houses have JVs with China...both US and Russia have inherited advantages in this area as well from the Cold War, as quality of spying has been essential.


In comparison, when was the last time anyone ever heard about Made-in-India "high quality" lens?



Actually, camera resolution alone (pixels indeed) is far from enough to make a high quality spy lens. To do that, one also needs to have high quality lens aperture (lens opening, which decides its light gathering capabilities); lens quality itself ( its sharpness mainly, to rid off chromatic aberration to enhance its focus) and zooming range.


All of above criteria, particularly lens quality and lens aperture, require world class research knowhow and the corresponding world class precision machinary manufacturing to make high quality lens, for either civilian cameras or in this case millitary spy sat cameras.

Since India ( also Israel in this matter, despite having some leftover US millitary technologies thanks to multi-billion $$ aids ) is nowhere near the top 5 ( US , Russia, China, Japan and EU) in both the quality of fundamental research and the quality of precision machinary manufactoring (namely : you don't know how to build it and you don't have capacility to built it), how is that imagined "made-in-india " "world's 2rd best" spy camera possible? It just doesn't wash, does it?


Why don't you stick to my previous point: learn to build a modern rifle first to prove "India is Shining" on the ground, before dreaming of comparing with Big Boys in the sky?

 

[noksss]

haha, indian trolls:

first to make a modern rifle to prove yourself on the ground, before dream to fly and start bragging that you are "the second best in the world " rofl with 100% Made-In-Israel spy satellites, oke?

The reason u are saying india cant make modern rifle is because we took more time to develop Arjun tank,LCA these products suffered intial failures and now they are on the track where Arjun is delivered and LCA will also be by next year .If these products are delivered on time I know that u will not talk about india making Rifles .But do u know a very tragedic incident in china's Launch vehicle

On Feb. 15, 1996, United States military monitors at a command post in southern China watched the Chinese rocket streak toward space carrying a $200 million American communications satellite made by Loral Space and Communications and Hughes Electronics,
But 22 seconds after liftoff, the Long March rocket exploded, showering debris and burning fuel on a nearby Chinese village, where by American accounts as many as 200 civilians were killed.

Now my question is in the Top 5 space superpowers tell me which superpower have killed 200 civilians while launching the satellite except china .So now can i say china is not capable for making Launch -Vehicles the answer is NO .The same applies to India also initially there will be failures but now we are on track and will come under the TOP 5 Space powers .So before commenting about india Making Rifles read somthing about India's Chandrayyan-1

link: A Secret U.S. Device Missing After '96 China Rocket Crash - NYTimes.com

 

[indushek]

Well, you seem never get the hint, do you?

No top space power ( China, Russia, China, EU and Japan) will give the detail resolutions and other highly classified info on its latest spy satellites, except some third grade wannabes such as India.


0.6m resolution you keep bragging about that is "made-in-India" AND "2rd best in the world" is a joke, becasue it is impossible, especially on both terms!




Let me tell you why:

0.61m resolution high quality imaging service has been widely available in the world market since the 90s. As any joe who has some $ can buy this kind of private services such as QuickBrid, can you imagine what kind of resolution qualities those world-class space powers had in their millitary spy satellites, which were surely beyond public avalable services of 0.61m resolution.

And this 0.61m resolution was only for the 90s, how about now? ?

Source: U.S. Centennial Flight Commision. gov

Spaceflight :Reconnaissance and Signals Intelligence Satellites

Quote:




This alone gives a hint of how far India is behind big boys ( China is certainly there).



Furthermore, if one doesn't know details about the quality of millitary spy sat resolution as we do since they're classified, one still can easily look at its proxy ---->> high quality civilian digital lens manufacturers, as cameras used in spy sat are nothing more than an improved version of civilian ones.

Never heard of Germany Leica lens? And lens giants such as Japan's Nikon, Canon, Minolta, Panasonic, etc? China mainland alone has over 600 high quality lens manufactorers on an industrial scale. All Japanese lens houses have JVs with China...both US and Russia have inherited advantages in this area as well from the Cold War, as quality of spying has been essential.


In comparison, when was the last time anyone ever heard about Made-in-India "high quality" lens?



Actually, camera resolution alone (pixels indeed) is far from enough to make a high quality spy lens. To do that, one also needs to have high quality lens aperture (lens opening, which decides its light gathering capabilities); lens quality itself ( its sharpness mainly, to rid off chromatic aberration to enhance its focus) and zooming range.


All of above criteria, particularly lens quality and lens aperture, require world class research knowhow and the corresponding world class precision machinary manufacturing to make high quality lens, for either civilian cameras or in this case millitary spy sat cameras.

Since India ( also Israel in this matter, despite having some leftover US millitary technologies thanks to multi-billion $$ aids ) is nowhere near the top 5 ( US , Russia, China, Japan and EU) in both the quality of fundamental research and the quality of precision machinary manufactoring (namely : you don't know how to build it and you don't have capacility to built it), how is that imagined "made-in-india " "world's 2rd best" spy camera possible? It just doesn't wash, does it?


Why don't you stick to my previous point: learn to build a modern rifle first to prove "India is Shining" on the ground, before dreaming of comparing with Big Boys in the sky?

What have u proved in all this Mister?? that India is second grade that India is not upto the Top or whatever u want to say. But one thing is evident is that u contradicted urself, first u said that 0.61 meter res is not possible and then u went on to quote that some private company was selling the same. So make up ur mind first u say that nobody can make 0.61 meter or u say India cannot make it, even while trolling u cannot do it properly u fool. And has Indian Prime Minister or President or even our Defence Minister consulted u regarding our industries or buliding skills etc ?? then who made u the f.... bull **** professor on us.

Secondly the nation about which ur bragging so much as the top and the best etc bullshit never comes out with actual figures . So its like building castles in the air, its fools and trolls like u who ask source for anything about my country but lick the balls of this country when even a blog source is mentioned, i doubt even if u are from this country since except two to three i have seen the posters from this country actually don't troll. So i think u hide behind some one else's flag.

Get this straight into that thick skull of urs, what u post here helps only u and guys sick like u. People like u who cannot respect other individuals or Countries. Now since u extracted the max fun of trolling go do ur f... party if still not satisfied bring it on, we will troll all night.

 

[Speeder 2]

The reason u are saying india cant make modern rifle is because we took more time to develop Arjun tank,LCA ...

I'm sure that both Arjun tank and LCA are world-renowned highly successful projects. But it's time to foucs on a modern rifle now, don't you think?

... as many as 200 civilians were killed. [/B]

It was a sad accident...

The similar magnitude of accidents however, happened both in the US and Soviet/Russia as well. Look it up.

...The same applies to India also initially there will be failures but now we are on track and will come under the TOP 5 Space powers .

I only commented on someone's wet dream of "made-in-India, world's 2rd best camera". What the "the same applies" comes from? What's the same? Apply what?

So before commenting about india Making Rifles read somthing about India's Chandrayyan-1

Chandrayyan-1? It that one shouldered with 1-year mission while being completely lost contact with after barely 3 month?

Thank you for providing just another piece of evidence to support my advice:

Learn to make a modern rifle first.

 

[Speeder 2]

What have u proved in all this Mister?? ...

Go easy, troll, since I've only thoroughly ridiculed the claim of "made-in-india world's 2rd best camera".

 

[noksss]

I'm sure that both Arjun tank and LCA are world-renowned highly successful projects. But it's time to foucs on a modern rifle now, don't you think?





It was a sad accident...

The similar magnitude of accidents however, happened both in the US and Soviet/Russia as well. Look it up.






I only commented on someone's wet dream of "made-in-India, world's 2rd best camera". What the "the same applies" comes from? What's the same? Apply what?





Chandrayyan-1? It that one shouldered with 1-year mission while being completely lost contact with after barely 3 month?

Thank you for providing just another piece of evidence to support my advice:

Learn to make a modern rifle first.

Expected reply from u but please give me the link which shows that US/Russia have killed civilians while launching the satellites

 

[indushek]

Go easy, troll, since I've only thoroughly ridiculed the claim of "made-in-india world's 2rd best camera".

Same goes for u too fool, since i too have proved that u are from Mars.

 

[mike05]

Actually that's a very good and technical analysis by Speeder 2 which puts a lot of facts down to layman terms which matches world economy situation. I'm interested to see some proper technical rebuttals rather then sidetracking attacks about rockets exploding, tanks and guns and whatnot.

 

[xuxu1457]

The reason u are saying india cant make modern rifle is because we took more time to develop Arjun tank,LCA these products suffered intial failures and now they are on the track where Arjun is delivered and LCA will also be by next year .If these products are delivered on time I know that u will not talk about india making Rifles .But do u know a very tragedic incident in china's Launch vehicle

On Feb. 15, 1996, United States military monitors at a command post in southern China watched the Chinese rocket streak toward space carrying a $200 million American communications satellite made by Loral Space and Communications and Hughes Electronics,
But 22 seconds after liftoff, the Long March rocket exploded, showering debris and burning fuel on a nearby Chinese village, where by American accounts as many as 200 civilians were killed.

Now my question is in the Top 5 space superpowers tell me which superpower have killed 200 civilians while launching the satellite except china .So now can i say china is not capable for making Launch -Vehicles the answer is NO .The same applies to India also initially there will be failures but now we are on track and will come under the TOP 5 Space powers .So before commenting about india Making Rifles read somthing about India's Chandrayyan-1

link: A Secret U.S. Device Missing After '96 China Rocket Crash - NYTimes.com

On Feb. 15, 1996,a fatal accident occurred when the first new Long March 3B heavy carrier rocket carrying Intelsat 708 tilted 2 second after launch and veered off course 22 seconds after launch, crashing 1200 meters away from the launch pad in a nearby mountain village and 6 died ,56 injured~~

Since 1996, all launches of Long March（75 times )are all successful,and the LM-3B after her first failure,has 11 consecutive successful launches~~~

 

[qwerrty]

speedy make good point. not a single known quality lens manufacturer in india and claim they have second best spysat camera.lo..ignoring countries such as, japan, germany whose are leader in optical lens tech..haha..ridiculous!

Since 1996, all launches of Long March（75 times )are all successful,and the LM-3B after her first failure,has 11 consecutive successful launches~~~

that's a lot of launches and still has higher success-fail ratio than india with far fewer launches..lol

 

[prototype]

What have u proved in all this Mister?? that India is second grade that India is not upto the Top or whatever u want to say. But one thing is evident is that u contradicted urself, first u said that 0.61 meter res is not possible and then u went on to quote that some private company was selling the same. So make up ur mind first u say that nobody can make 0.61 meter or u say India cannot make it, even while trolling u cannot do it properly u fool. And has Indian Prime Minister or President or even our Defence Minister consulted u regarding our industries or buliding skills etc ?? then who made u the f.... bull **** professor on us.

Secondly the nation about which ur bragging so much as the top and the best etc bullshit never comes out with actual figures . So its like building castles in the air, its fools and trolls like u who ask source for anything about my country but lick the balls of this country when even a blog source is mentioned, i doubt even if u are from this country since except two to three i have seen the posters from this country actually don't troll. So i think u hide behind some one else's flag.

Get this straight into that thick skull of urs, what u post here helps only u and guys sick like u. People like u who cannot respect other individuals or Countries. Now since u extracted the max fun of trolling go do ur f... party if still not satisfied bring it on, we will troll all night.

 

[Speeder 2]

speedy make good point. not a single known quality lens manufacturer in india and claim they have second best spysat camera.lo..ignoring countries such as, japan, germany whose are leader in optical lens tech..haha..ridiculous!

Cheers!

Actually India would be flattered if being featured as No.20th in optical lens tech hence spy camera quality, let alone self-styled "world's No.2".

In the EU:

If one doesn't count the EU as one entity, then we have Nederlands ( remember Philips?), Italy, Spain, France, Germany, Switzerland, Sweden, Austria, Russia, Finland, etc. etc. Even tiny lands such as Belgium and Denmark all have their own domestic firms of producing extremely high quality opitical lens as far as I know.


In Asia:

even though I believe China is still behind than Japan in this area, its top military spy lens quality however still is not far off from the latter, given hundreds of high quality lens suppliers/subcontractors to multinationals that China has, after decades of massive investments in both fundamental research and JVs with all the top Japanese firms.

Can India get remotely close to even sci-tech powerhouses such as Taiwan or South Korea in optical lens tech?

In N America, Canada for sure is far ahead of India in this, USA aside.

In ME, can India lead Israel, or vice-versus ?

Even I am not sure that Brazil is behind India in the field

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These are just almost as widely recognised as common sense.

To claim that India is the world's No.2 here is pure stupidity beyond comprehension.

 

[prototype]

i am feeling sorry for XiNiX,he just asked a genuine question to prove that Chinese satellites have a resolution of around .6 meter,so far not only that a single Chinese was unable to give an explanation,they r beautifully evading the question like they had trade embargo,their govt keeps fact hidden(the most ridiculous one) because the citizen's of a nation which like to keep facts hidden r asking Indian's the source of the news

so my fellow Chinese friends if u bother to reply,do it with some reliable neutral source(not some Chinese blogs)that u have a .6 resolution or otherwise accept that u lag behind India