Chinese police forces stormed a local mosque, forcefully dragging Hui Muslim worshippers out.

[Sheikh Rauf]

can anyone open a new thread about relationship between turk and china?

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Muslim rights? Muslim have all the rights in china. more than indian Muslims. sometimes i think chinese Muslims have better life than i have in Pakistan. cuz they have so many oppertunties. stop trying to piss off the chinese. also they aint no masters, chinese are more than friends. chinese have made a bond of brotherhood with pakistaniz. go ask ur indian government to help fellow muslims if u feel they need help. we pakistaniz know the situtaion in china. also we dont interfear with other countiries matters. if india had not taken 30% of kashmir we would not even look towards india.

100% correct

can anyone open a new thread about relationship between turk and china?

There are hundreds of these threads brother, but I will give you a summary.

Many people in Turkey believe Xinjiang needs to become a separate Turkish nation called East Turkestan. This is to promote Pan-Turkism/Turanism.

Chinese hold that Uyghurs are their citizens and the land on which Uyghurs live (Tarima Basin) has been in Chinese hands for thousands of years, previously settled by the now extinct Buddhist Dzungars.

For the West and India, any fissure between China and the Muslim world will be exploited by false propaganda, doctored stories, and attempted sabotage of relationships.

Having failed to turn Pakistan, Sudan, Iran against China, they are now focusing on the Turks, Arabs, BD, Africans, SE Asian Muslims.

However Turkey is slowly drifting towards China, due to Pakistani influence, along with GCCC and other Muslim nations.

If you notice, the most vehement anti-China rhetoric is from the West and India with its proxy states like Bangladesh.

 

[Sheikh Rauf]

100% correct



There are hundreds of these threads brother, but I will give you a summary.

Many people in Turkey believe Xinjiang needs to become a separate Turkish nation called East Turkestan. This is to promote Pan-Turkism/Turanism.

Chinese hold that Uyghurs are their citizens and the land on which Uyghurs live (Tarima Basin) has been in Chinese hands for thousands of years, previously settled by the now extinct Buddhist Dzungars.

For the West and India, any fissure between China and the Muslim world will be exploited by false propaganda, doctored stories, and attempted sabotage of relationships.

Having failed to turn Pakistan, Sudan, Iran against China, they are now focusing on the Turks, Arabs, BD, Africans, SE Asian Muslims.

However Turkey is slowly drifting towards China, due to Pakistani influence, along with GCCC and other Muslim nations.

If you notice, the most vehement anti-China rhetoric is from the West and India with its proxy states like Bangladesh.

Thanx for the summary, yes there is alot of propaganda by west and specially india cuz since they have no balls to raiz tibet issue anymore so they sitting on wests lap and singing their song against China. but why turkey wants those muslims to be seprated they maybe have some connection about 300 years ago but non of them speak turkish or get any benefits from Turkey.

 

[maithil]

China can keep doing to Muslims what it wants, as long as Chinese Dollars keep coming to Pakistan for CPEC.

 

[HariPrasad]

Policemen dragging two or three people out of a crowded building. Public police video ends.

Indians and Turks cry crocodile tears.

I guess China isn't allowed to have a police force anymore.

And What about the videos where the people is dragged out and shoot on the back of their head in public? What about mass execution of people? What about shooting of people people in their head in public? Do you what me to post videos and pictures?

 

[Foxtrot Delta]

Thanx for the summary, yes there is alot of propaganda by west and specially india cuz since they have no balls to raiz tibet issue anymore so they sitting on wests lap and singing their song against China. but why turkey wants those muslims to be seprated they maybe have some connection about 300 years ago but non of them speak turkish or get any benefits from Turkey.

Uyghurcha is the language spoken by uyghurs in xinjiang china, it is 99% same as turkish language only turkish people latin (english) style alphabets while uyghurs use persian/arabic/urdu type script. Pakistanis iraniz and arabs can read all sign boards and books in xinjiang because its similar to arabic and persian script. Uyghurs are truly decendants of turkish people there is no doubt about that. Ethnically they are turkish.

Having said this i have to mention kazakhcha (spoken in kazakhistan) national language is 90% similar to turkish and uyghurcha of xinjiang only kazakhs use russian script to write their language, thats why kazakh people learn turkish so fast and also visa for kazakhistan citizens in turkey is free of cost and available on arrival for upto 3 months. I have kazakh friends from kzakhistan i have visited kazakhistan as well thats why i know this. Also kazakh people have two ethnic groups one mongols and other one turkish tatars same genology as uyghur people of xinjiang china.

Moreover Kyrgyzstan has a language i forgot its name they write it in russian script also but its 80% similar to turkish language. Also krgyz people also have huge population of tatars and turks in them.

Having said this the russian federation has turkish tatars living in provinces of Dagestan, chechniya volga river region uptil kazan city. Those all use russian script as well as arabic script to write tatar language which is derived from turkish.

So it would appear that in ottoman empire time caliphate of muslims had its population all the way up to russia, kazakhistan, turkmenistan, uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, and xinjiang (moghlistan/turkistan)
Tajikiss have persian influcenes becoz of afghanistan and iran. Anyways during the ottoman times there were no borders and these regions were provinces of a huge ottoman empire once upon a time where citizens could move without borders or papers or visa or passports. So yea populations moved into those regions.

Later the western powers destroyed ottoman, german and japanese empires in first world war. Those provinces became small countries. In time soviet union took some countries into its borders, china took xinjiang into its borders, xinjiang has been part of chinese empire since qing dynasty , chinese lay claim to all regions undercontrol of Qing empire. That also includes mongolia taiwan xinjang some parts of russia and a few parts of tajikistan in pamir region also small portions of kashmir in north east.


Now we have united nations since 2nd world war and its purpose is to save human beings from wars like world war 2 etc. Un has given a charter all countries of the world try to follow it. All members of united nations are soverign nations. Only united nations charter allows countries to recognize form new countries to dissolve old countries into new countries.

These days united states has a target on Peoples republic of china, Russian federation and India. Because united states and its alliea see these 3 countries as potential competitors and a thorn in their way of complete global obediance. So they want to divide india furthur dividing it two times was not enough it is still very powerful even without pakistan or bangladesh. China is twice as strong because it was never divided. Russia is the weakest because it had lost a war cold war with usa and pakistan and was sliced into pirces yet its size and its military and influence is gaining momentem in global politics again, examples like syria and turkey cases. Also russia has firm control over its ctso central republic which broke away who happen to he turkish decenants as well tatars..

Now do we follow the united nations charter ? Or do we start age of empires and wars all ovsr again? Purpose of united nations is to do solve problems like these without war.

United states has used false propaganda with help of its allies (west) first time against soviet union when it split soviet union into many pieces 1990s to make united nations endorse it war. Saying this is a good war make it united nations chartered war.

Later it used false propaganda again against iraq saying it has nukes etc we know it all turned out to be false and they destroyed iraq and now want to split it into 3 nations. All under United nations charter of human rights.

Then they said syria did chemical atracks against its citizens and for the sake of innocent muslim civilians of syria they want to imterviene and change the government... Cuz its bad they chemical their own people give em horrible death worst crime ever.

God knows what happened with 9-11 2001 and afghanistan 3000 united states people killed and united states killed at least a million in afghanistan. Anyways afghanistan war is shady we have no proof if it was legit or not for sake of united states citizens lets say afghan taliban and usa are equally responsible.

Now its 2018 and the great united states with help of its allies want to make a case of human rights violation against china. They say chinese are puttikg them in jail killikg them, puttimg them in God knows what type of concentration camps . those muslims need help china is evil. Now usa has never fought its own wars fairly . they used pakistan to break soviet union in 1990s and gave propaganda that soviet union wanted to take afghanistan and pakistan into its borders sovereignty no more bye bye. Pakistan enraged the muslim world against soviet union and usa didnt even have to fight the soviets. Soviets faught an invisible enemy and broke down under economic pressure without knowing what hit them infact pakistan and islamic world hit them but muslims were used against soviet union.

Now in 2018 since china is 4 times as poweful as sovietunion ever was they wanted to use pakistan against china and tried to convince pakistaniz that chinese are bad. Propaganda in pakistani media and forums like this internet forums still continues every day, they want pakistan to be enraged against china for evils it is doing against chinese muslims aka uyghur sometimes huizu as well.... These are pure lies as pakistani government has itself investigated and common pakistaniz who live in china know this very well chinese muslims are happy to be chinese and are livimg lives better than 10 times better than indian muslims or pakistani muslims or bangladeshi muslims or indonesians go see for urself isee them everyday.

Anyways this is getting long. United states wants bangladesh, turkey, saudiz iranians or even indian muslims to get raged and make the propaganda successful build a case against china. May be convince russia to not interfear while proxies of muslim fighters or alliamce of muslims with turkey and india fight against chinese and break away chinese xinjiang and possibly tibet too.

What china will do we dont know but pakistani givernment has investigated pakistani people have been told authentically by ministery of religious affairs that there is no emergency or problem within china that pakistan needs to solve. If there are a few 40 cases etc those can be sorted out by chinese public security police force. Therr are no concentration camps its a pure propaganda. Also pakistan has brotherly relations with china we will always asvise Chinese on muslim population issues. Pakistan is 2nd biggest muslim nation and the most powerful one . pakistanz voice holds ground. Centrap asians indonesians arabs even turks respect and love pakistan. Pakistan has said we don't see a problem and pakistan can't and will never interfear in the internal matters of china.

Now its upto rest of the muslim populations ariund the world how they react. My learned advise? Use ur brain learn from history don't be used against china too. United states and its allies are users. They know only war. China is a very peaceful country its people very kind and hardworking muslims, christians budhists athiests all types of human beings are present in china many ethnjc groups livimg peacefully and turning china into number 1 country of the world.

Allah the Almighty creator of the universe will not forgive Muslims who transgress against other nations and spread Fitna (courption) on earth. Muslims should wise up china is open for dialouge always they are most peace loving and diplomacy oriented people. Talk to them dont turn chinese into ur enemy.

Allah teaches his followers be it jews christians or Muslims in their books don't cause courption dont sued blood and dont fight among each other.

Pakistani muslims and pakistani government have used logic and mind and undersranding They habe chosen a peaceful way. Allah loves those who talk about peace and plan for peace.

Muslims of the world should never allow themselves to be used as a tool for spreading wrong deeds and bloodshed.

East turkistan movement is designed to spilit china and make a homeland for turk nationals ethnically turk people it has nothing to do with islam. Chinese were muslims long before turkish were muslims. Chinese were muslims even before indians or pakistani became muslims. Read the history do some research dont take beautiful religion of islam away from china. One day whole of china will be muslim if we use kindness u want one xinjiang province? Muslims will have all of china one day. Why u say? Because i have seen it , chinese follow the truth they are good people they use science and look for logic and understanding if islam is truth and peaceful china will be muslim one day as turks accepted islam and indians accepted islam and persians accepted islam. Without bloodshed.

However if muslims play into american and wesntern propaganda and create trouble in chinese land, then Allah's wraith will be upon the muslims and do remember wraith of Allah on Muslims because of knowledge we have would be double then Any other human group. Those muslims will fail against china thats how i feel. Soviets were opressive people chinese don't care unless u threaten their government u can do whatever u want in china. Stay away from poltics thats all chinese government says.

Lets see what happens in time i had to say this. All the haters can start replying to this with hate now if u wish. All i ask is think before u act o Muslims or are you really Muslims??

 

[casual]

this would never happen here in U.S. because here anyone who dare to fight back against police would have been shot. it's pretty cool to see police actually brawl lol. anyways, that's not a mosque.

 

[M. Sarmad]

Even if it is a mosque (which I doubt), there is nothing wrong in dragging those out who do not obey the law of the land.

The Islamic Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) is reported to have burnt down a mosque (Masjid al Dirar) himself which was being used to promote disunity (and for spreading Fitna)


An Imam being dragged out of a mosque in Saudi Arabia for criticizing the Saudi Government and its policies:

 

[Sheikh Rauf]

Uyghurcha is the language spoken by uyghurs in xinjiang china, it is 99% same as turkish language only turkish people latin (english) style alphabets while uyghurs use persian/arabic/urdu type script. Pakistanis iraniz and arabs can read all sign boards and books in xinjiang because its similar to arabic and persian script. Uyghurs are truly decendants of turkish people there is no doubt about that. Ethnically they are turkish.

Having said this i have to mention kazakhcha (spoken in kazakhistan) national language is 90% similar to turkish and uyghurcha of xinjiang only kazakhs use russian script to write their language, thats why kazakh people learn turkish so fast and also visa for kazakhistan citizens in turkey is free of cost and available on arrival for upto 3 months. I have kazakh friends from kzakhistan i have visited kazakhistan as well thats why i know this. Also kazakh people have two ethnic groups one mongols and other one turkish tatars same genology as uyghur people of xinjiang china.

Moreover Kyrgyzstan has a language i forgot its name they write it in russian script also but its 80% similar to turkish language. Also krgyz people also have huge population of tatars and turks in them.

Having said this the russian federation has turkish tatars living in provinces of Dagestan, chechniya volga river region uptil kazan city. Those all use russian script as well as arabic script to write tatar language which is derived from turkish.

So it would appear that in ottoman empire time caliphate of muslims had its population all the way up to russia, kazakhistan, turkmenistan, uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, and xinjiang (moghlistan/turkistan)
Tajikiss have persian influcenes becoz of afghanistan and iran. Anyways during the ottoman times there were no borders and these regions were provinces of a huge ottoman empire once upon a time where citizens could move without borders or papers or visa or passports. So yea populations moved into those regions.

Later the western powers destroyed ottoman, german and japanese empires in first world war. Those provinces became small countries. In time soviet union took some countries into its borders, china took xinjiang into its borders, xinjiang has been part of chinese empire since qing dynasty , chinese lay claim to all regions undercontrol of Qing empire. That also includes mongolia taiwan xinjang some parts of russia and a few parts of tajikistan in pamir region also small portions of kashmir in north east.


Now we have united nations since 2nd world war and its purpose is to save human beings from wars like world war 2 etc. Un has given a charter all countries of the world try to follow it. All members of united nations are soverign nations. Only united nations charter allows countries to recognize form new countries to dissolve old countries into new countries.

These days united states has a target on Peoples republic of china, Russian federation and India. Because united states and its alliea see these 3 countries as potential competitors and a thorn in their way of complete global obediance. So they want to divide india furthur dividing it two times was not enough it is still very powerful even without pakistan or bangladesh. China is twice as strong because it was never divided. Russia is the weakest because it had lost a war cold war with usa and pakistan and was sliced into pirces yet its size and its military and influence is gaining momentem in global politics again, examples like syria and turkey cases. Also russia has firm control over its ctso central republic which broke away who happen to he turkish decenants as well tatars..

Now do we follow the united nations charter ? Or do we start age of empires and wars all ovsr again? Purpose of united nations is to do solve problems like these without war.

United states has used false propaganda with help of its allies (west) first time against soviet union when it split soviet union into many pieces 1990s to make united nations endorse it war. Saying this is a good war make it united nations chartered war.

Later it used false propaganda again against iraq saying it has nukes etc we know it all turned out to be false and they destroyed iraq and now want to split it into 3 nations. All under United nations charter of human rights.

Then they said syria did chemical atracks against its citizens and for the sake of innocent muslim civilians of syria they want to imterviene and change the government... Cuz its bad they chemical their own people give em horrible death worst crime ever.

God knows what happened with 9-11 2001 and afghanistan 3000 united states people killed and united states killed at least a million in afghanistan. Anyways afghanistan war is shady we have no proof if it was legit or not for sake of united states citizens lets say afghan taliban and usa are equally responsible.

Now its 2018 and the great united states with help of its allies want to make a case of human rights violation against china. They say chinese are puttikg them in jail killikg them, puttimg them in God knows what type of concentration camps . those muslims need help china is evil. Now usa has never fought its own wars fairly . they used pakistan to break soviet union in 1990s and gave propaganda that soviet union wanted to take afghanistan and pakistan into its borders sovereignty no more bye bye. Pakistan enraged the muslim world against soviet union and usa didnt even have to fight the soviets. Soviets faught an invisible enemy and broke down under economic pressure without knowing what hit them infact pakistan and islamic world hit them but muslims were used against soviet union.

Now in 2018 since china is 4 times as poweful as sovietunion ever was they wanted to use pakistan against china and tried to convince pakistaniz that chinese are bad. Propaganda in pakistani media and forums like this internet forums still continues every day, they want pakistan to be enraged against china for evils it is doing against chinese muslims aka uyghur sometimes huizu as well.... These are pure lies as pakistani government has itself investigated and common pakistaniz who live in china know this very well chinese muslims are happy to be chinese and are livimg lives better than 10 times better than indian muslims or pakistani muslims or bangladeshi muslims or indonesians go see for urself isee them everyday.

Anyways this is getting long. United states wants bangladesh, turkey, saudiz iranians or even indian muslims to get raged and make the propaganda successful build a case against china. May be convince russia to not interfear while proxies of muslim fighters or alliamce of muslims with turkey and india fight against chinese and break away chinese xinjiang and possibly tibet too.

What china will do we dont know but pakistani givernment has investigated pakistani people have been told authentically by ministery of religious affairs that there is no emergency or problem within china that pakistan needs to solve. If there are a few 40 cases etc those can be sorted out by chinese public security police force. Therr are no concentration camps its a pure propaganda. Also pakistan has brotherly relations with china we will always asvise Chinese on muslim population issues. Pakistan is 2nd biggest muslim nation and the most powerful one . pakistanz voice holds ground. Centrap asians indonesians arabs even turks respect and love pakistan. Pakistan has said we don't see a problem and pakistan can't and will never interfear in the internal matters of china.

Now its upto rest of the muslim populations ariund the world how they react. My learned advise? Use ur brain learn from history don't be used against china too. United states and its allies are users. They know only war. China is a very peaceful country its people very kind and hardworking muslims, christians budhists athiests all types of human beings are present in china many ethnjc groups livimg peacefully and turning china into number 1 country of the world.

Allah the Almighty creator of the universe will not forgive Muslims who transgress against other nations and spread Fitna (courption) on earth. Muslims should wise up china is open for dialouge always they are most peace loving and diplomacy oriented people. Talk to them dont turn chinese into ur enemy.

Allah teaches his followers be it jews christians or Muslims in their books don't cause courption dont sued blood and dont fight among each other.

Pakistani muslims and pakistani government have used logic and mind and undersranding They habe chosen a peaceful way. Allah loves those who talk about peace and plan for peace.

Muslims of the world should never allow themselves to be used as a tool for spreading wrong deeds and bloodshed.

East turkistan movement is designed to spilit china and make a homeland for turk nationals ethnically turk people it has nothing to do with islam. Chinese were muslims long before turkish were muslims. Chinese were muslims even before indians or pakistani became muslims. Read the history do some research dont take beautiful religion of islam away from china. One day whole of china will be muslim if we use kindness u want one xinjiang province? Muslims will have all of china one day. Why u say? Because i have seen it , chinese follow the truth they are good people they use science and look for logic and understanding if islam is truth and peaceful china will be muslim one day as turks accepted islam and indians accepted islam and persians accepted islam. Without bloodshed.

However if muslims play into american and wesntern propaganda and create trouble in chinese land, then Allah's wraith will be upon the muslims and do remember wraith of Allah on Muslims because of knowledge we have would be double then Any other human group. Those muslims will fail against china thats how i feel. Soviets were opressive people chinese don't care unless u threaten their government u can do whatever u want in china. Stay away from poltics thats all chinese government says.

Lets see what happens in time i had to say this. All the haters can start replying to this with hate now if u wish. All i ask is think before u act o Muslims or are you really Muslims??

simply awesome bro now i have many many questions now i will read and find out but one quick why we see this intolerance between chines and turk when we all know how american supported 2016 coup and russian helped it was eastern who saved i am sure if china wanted to revenge they cud have. what is the rift between two nation.

 

[Foxtrot Delta]

simply awesome bro now i have many many questions now i will read and find out but one quick why we see this intolerance between chines and turk when we all know how american supported 2016 coup and russian helped it was eastern who saved i am sure if china wanted to revenge they cud have. what is the rift between two nation.

Rift is because turkish people believe american propaganda also turks are most patriotic people on earth they love their people their flag their DNA they feel pride. And if turks feel their brothers are not happy or are being treated badly they get angered. American intelligence has sponsored many uyghur muslims from xinjiang and given them homes in united states . rabia khadir is the head of ETM movement she lived in united states last i hears she is the biggest voice for turks and westerners that china is opressing uyghurs in xinjiang. Also there are a few uyghurs who want to live seperately outside china but they are very few. Same thing usa and india are doing in pakistani province of balochistan. Same thing is being done in kurdistan province of turkey by united states agencies.

 

[Hexciter]

Rift is because turkish people believe american propaganda also turks are most patriotic people on earth they love their people their flag their DNA they feel pride. And if turks feel their brothers are not happy or are being treated badly they get angered. American intelligence has sponsored many uyghur muslims from xinjiang and given them homes in united states . rabia khadir is the head of ETM movement she lived in united states last i hears she is the biggest voice for turks and westerners that china is opressing uyghurs in xinjiang. Also there are a few uyghurs who want to live seperately outside china but they are very few. Same thing usa and india are doing in pakistani province of balochistan. Same thing is being done in kurdistan province of turkey by united states agencies.

You lost the point of thread. Hui’s are Han Chinese people and MUSLIM

 

[Götterdämmerung]

One day whole of china will be muslim if we use kindness u want one xinjiang province? Muslims will have all of china one day.

So, the Chinese culture is full of flaws until it becomes an Islamic paradise such as Pakistan or Afghanistan.

Chinese will voluntarily destroy all Confucius temples, ancestral shrines, even the Forbbidden City due to its unislamic architecture (think of the many unislamic figurines and idols from the roof tops to the ground).

 

[Sanchez]

You lost the point of thread. Hui’s are Han Chinese people and MUSLIM

Right, Huis are Hans who converted to Islam and mixed with mechants or migrants from central Asia. Uighurs are not Turkic either. They were called Huihu that were independent and had their own Khaganate in present day Mongolia. They were conquered by the Turks and became underdog of Turkish tribes. In 630, Turkic tribe Syr-Tardush and Huihu tribe in alliance with Chinese Tang army defeated and eliminated Eastern Turkic Khaganate. In 646 Huihu tribes helped Tang army to defeat the rebels of Syr-Tardush Khaganate. Since then Huihu tribes or Khaganate had always been the allied force of Tang army to finally drive your Turkic tribes out of far east in the year of 743. Explain why your Turks want Uighurs to rebuild the East Turkstan that their ancestors defeated and eliminated?

 

[Foxtrot Delta]

So, the Chinese culture is full of flaws until it becomes an Islamic paradise such as Pakistan or Afghanistan.

Chinese will voluntarily destroy all Confucius temples, ancestral shrines, even the Forbbidden City due to its unislamic architecture (think of the many unislamic figurines and idols from the roof tops to the ground).

Did we pakistaniz not destroy all the idols? Did all of arabia not clean the holy kabah of all idols?? Once human beings understand the message its easy. The way u talk even ur own mom wont listen to ur opinion.

You lost the point of thread. Hui’s are Han Chinese people and MUSLIM

Hmm son i know who han and hui and other ethnicities are i have loads of friends from dicse groups in china. I live there remember... U lost my comment.

 

[Götterdämmerung]

Did we pakistaniz not destroy all the idols? Did all of arabia not clean the holy kabah of all idols?? Once human beings understand the message its easy. The way u talk even ur own mom wont listen to ur opinion.

Yeah, we all didn't undestand anything until Islam brought us the light of Allah. I see the high techs and high human development level in Muslim majority countries ... not!

So, the Chinese will destroy their 5000 year culture just to be replaced with a primitive fairy tale.