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This is a thorough bvllsh!t!

US has plenty of information, and is the only country that invaded two countries in 10 years. And the invasion of Iraq is totally illegal and put the world in risk

India also has plenty of information that 2 million children die every year unnaturally. And help? NONE! It also puts the world in risk.

In terms of information control, US president can shutdown internet if needed.
New Bill Gives Obama ‘Kill Switch’ To Shut Down The Internet

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New Bill Gives Obama ‘Kill Switch’ To Shut Down The Internet
This bill has recently passed. So basically each sovereign country can make a decision based on its ow evaluation of interest.

Conclusion, too much information can make people mad and full of hatred towards other countries, such as the starter of the thread.
 
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Actually these viruses are a major threat coz if any lethal strain mutates and acquires ability to transmit fast successfully......whole world is at risk....therefore we have sooooo much hoooha over viruses(specially influenza ones).......
 
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this is China Defense forum, if you don't have any idea what is called Defense, please learn it before you open a thread.

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Your brain is seriously twisted in a fanatic way. China slows down world economy? You got to be too hilarious! Unless you are cognitively handicapped, the fact is, China is now the engine of world economy. It is USA first, then the Europe second that slow the world economy.

Current manipulation? That is a more appropriate word for Japan who intervened current market recently, and for USA who initiated EQ2. China has pegged its Yuan with USD for more than a decade. Instead, it is US who forces China to manipulate the Yuan to dilute US debt.

Hack computer? Who didn't do that? Indians recently hacked into Chinese family planning website. :lol: I saw that by my own eyes.

India is the biggest pariah nation where kids died of poverty every year is unprecedented in human history. While China resolves all land dispute with every its neighbor except India, India resolves none of the land dispute with its neighbors. Since India arbitrarily imposes its boarder against its neighbor. In fact, Bharat politicians invented and then apply Kautalya doctrine that neighbors are all enemies.

Disregarding climate change? Then why you India following the disregarding foot steps of China?

In fact, India encroaches the boarders, in addition with China, with Pakistan, Nepal, Bangladesh, all small countries around it.

About terrorism, India is a country that hosts the most amount of terrorist organizations in this world. In addition, communal violence is no longer news to the world...



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u fool more than 90 % of the the organization's event dont operate from India,they just targets India,seems u r happy about it,from when Lashkar e tayeba and Jaish e mohammad became indian terrorist organization's,about the rest,who operate through India,we had already made most of them extinct
 
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I did not want to post this here but here u go-->

Liu on his wife: Your love will be as always:**

"Ask me what has been my most fortunate experience of the past two decades, and I'd say it was gaining the selfless love of my wife, Liu Xia. She cannot be present in the courtroom today, but I still want to tell you, my sweetheart, that I'm confident that your love for me will be as always.
"Over the years, in my non-free life, our love has contained bitterness imposed by the external environment, but is boundless in afterthought. I am sentenced to a visible prison while you are waiting in an invisible one.
"Your love is sunlight that transcends prison walls and bars, stroking every inch of my skin, warming my every cell, letting me maintain my inner calm, magnanimous and bright, so that every minute in prison is full of meaning.
"But my love for you is full of guilt and regret, sometimes heavy enough to hobble my steps. I am a hard stone in the wilderness, putting up with the pummeling of raging storms, and too cold for anyone to dare touch. But my love is hard, sharp, and can penetrate any obstacles. Even if I am crushed into powder, I will embrace you with the ashes."

Liv Ullman's voice breaks reading out the part of Liu Xiaobo's speech on his wife. He continues...
Given your love, my sweetheart, I would face my forthcoming trial calmly, with no regrets about my choice and looking forward to tomorrow optimistically.
I look forward to my country being a land of free expression, where all citizens' speeches are treated the same; where different values, ideas, beliefs, political views ... both compete with each other and coexist peacefully; where, majority and minority opinions will be given equal guarantees, in particular, political views different from those in power will be fully respected and protected;
"where all political views will be spread in the sunlight for the people to choose; [where] all citizens will be able to express their political views without fear, and will never be politically persecuted for voicing dissent.

Parasite, Dr. Liu said he wants China subject to Western colonial rule for 300+ years. This causes much resentment from the Chinese, and is well understood that many Indians are fine with that.

You know, the Chinese, unlike the Indians, never liked the idea of being colonized again. No, not even for a day for them, while that may be fine for many of you. Of course that will bring ecstasy to the colonial westerners, and thus the Prize bestowed.

Second thing people don't like Dr. Liu be cause he indirectly receives American money to work for Americans. In fact, he received $650,000 grant from NED (National Endowment for Democracy). This is usually cited as the justification for Chinese government jailing him. Since NED is funded by US congress.

So, regardless how emotional the westerners are, and their students/copycats follow the suit, it doesn't help. :hitwall:
 
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Parasite, Dr. Liu said he wants China subject to Western colonial rule for 300+ years. This causes much resentment from the Chinese, and is well understood that many Indians are fine with that.

You know, the Chinese, unlike the Indians, never liked the idea of being colonized again. No, not even for a day for them, while that may be fine for many of you. Of course that will bring ecstasy to the colonial westerners, and thus the Prize bestowed.

Second thing people don't like Dr. Liu be cause he indirectly receives American money to work for Americans. In fact, he received $650,000 grant from NED (National Endowment for Democracy). This is usually cited as the justification for Chinese government jailing him. Since NED is funded by US congress.

So, regardless how emotional the westerners are, and their students/copycats follow the suit, it doesn't help. :hitwall:


Please go read his speach first,then commend on it. It wasn't what he means! You really need stop quoting the people's daily. For many chinese, most just don't care. It just one more guy that had read too many books and had way too western ways of thinking.

How many Indian did u know? To commend on their whole race/country you have to have know quite many. About colonism: Go read something about Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi.

Just as many westrn ppl is quite under the spell of media(who think everything print/type on the news is truth!), many chinese are under the lovely spell of nationalism.

Peace prize is not a "peace prize". More like a human right/politic prize. They really should change the name.

Does the man belong to prison,yes and no. YES because chinese law, NO because he is just talking. YES because he is trying to start a revolution, NO maybe china really need to reform.
 
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Parasite, Dr. Liu said he wants China subject to Western colonial rule for 300+ years. This causes much resentment from the Chinese, and is well understood that many Indians are fine with that.

You know, the Chinese, unlike the Indians, never liked the idea of being colonized again. No, not even for a day for them, while that may be fine for many of you. Of course that will bring ecstasy to the colonial westerners, and thus the Prize bestowed.

Second thing people don't like Dr. Liu be cause he indirectly receives American money to work for Americans. In fact, he received $650,000 grant from NED (National Endowment for Democracy). This is usually cited as the justification for Chinese government jailing him. Since NED is funded by US congress.

So, regardless how emotional the westerners are, and their students/copycats follow the suit, it doesn't help. :hitwall:


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The Vice Premier of the People’s Republic of China Hui Liangyu, along with his 20 member delegation who were on transit in Sri Lanka, visited the National Museum and the Independence Square. He was welcomed by Minister of Culture and Arts T B Ekanayake.

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@Bombensturm

Your enquiry in an earlier post, §643, on whether or not Hindu nationalism will rise in case........

How did I miss this gem (on the China forum no less). I have a question for you about Indian politics. It has always seem to me that Congress and the Gandhi dynasty should be kicked out and its hold over Indian politics broken in order for a great leader to emerge. What is your view on the state of things. I am frankly a skeptic of political dynasties (no matter what their contribution to the nation years ago). It really seems that a political class has emerged in India. (am I wrong?)

I hope you can be patient with my question, I realize that Indian politics a labyrinth of twists and turns (someone once said that a phD thesis can be written on the politics of every Indian state)
 
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How did I miss this gem (on the China forum no less). I have a question for you about Indian politics. It has always seem to me that Congress and the Gandhi dynasty should be kicked out and its hold over Indian politics broken in order for a great leader to emerge. What is your view on the state of things. I am frankly a skeptic of political dynasties (no matter what their contribution to the nation years ago). It really seems that a political class has emerged in India. (am I wrong?)

I hope you can be patient with my question, I realize that Indian politics a labyrinth of twists and turns (someone once said that a phD thesis can be written on the politics of every Indian state)

Oh, dear!

You do have a happy habit of accidentally bumping into me with your elbow and getting me into the swimming pool.

I really would have liked to have avoided this question, as it is itself worth a PhD thesis. But perhaps it will make sense if I leave out all adjectives and adverbs and stick to the point. Let me try - meanwhile, don't hold your breath!

There are lots of people who wish that the Nehru-Gandhi dynasty should be got rid of. You find yourself in the company of Ram Manohar Lohia, a socialist and an iconoclast, who spent much of his political career pointing out the defects of the Nehru-Gandhis, to the point where he seemed like an bore to most people perusing their daily papers. For me, it is a matter for the voter, not for the chatterati, the chattering classes, as our brand of middle-class, westernised intellectuals tend to be grouped with, along with others who are far more affluent than middle-class, not westernised at all, and not intellectual, unless reading the papers and listening to the ubiquitous news programmes is a sign of intellect; many would disagree sharply. As long as the voter continues to believe in them as being, in some way, above the contempt that all Indians have for politicians.

Before going further, a reality check: you are aware that these 'Gandhis' have nothing to do with Mohandas Karamchand 'Mahatma' Gandhi, of course. That Gandhi (Mohandas = devoted to Krishna; Karamchand = Moon of worldly achievement; Gandhi = of trader descent) was a Gujarati born to the minister of a tiny principality in the extreme west; these Gandhis are Gandhis because their mother-in-law/ grandmother married a handsome young Gujarati Congressman against her father's wishes. The political history starts with an Allahabad barrister named Motilal Nehru (= Precious as a pearl + lives on the banks of a canal, originally a Kashmiri brahmin), whose father was a less-than-distinguished police kotwal, or chief of a police station. Motilal rose from this origin to become a wealthy man, sent his son to Harrow, then to Trinity College, Cambridge, on to the bar and back to India, complete with an affinity for left wing politics of the Bloomsbury Set sort, and an accent which clearly informed those who mattered that he mattered. Jawaharlal was important because the common people saw him as the approachable, not even partially insane, welcome successor specially chosen by Gandhi (the other, older one) to be Gandhi's successor. Gandhi himself could seem unapproachable especially when he was doing his thing, some of them quite eccentric things. So Jawaharlal was the chosen son, and Indians treated him like that, in spite of being irritated by him, and finally fed up with him, especially after the mess he made of Chinese relations and of the military. When he died, a proper Congressman took over. Lal Bahadur Shastri (Beloved Brave One, the Brahmin) had nothing to do with the family. Under him, and his self-effacing ways, the powerful hierarchy of the Congress became very strong. Too strong to think straight, these 'bosses' picked on Nehru's shy, equally unassuming daughter, Indira Priyadarshini Gandhi, someone, they thought, who could be manipulated and told what to do. Probably the dumbest assessment of the century. When she was killed by her own disaffected security guard, after the clean-up of the Sikh Golden Temple of terrorists sheltering inside, Congressmen panicked, and put her son in. That is when a succession started, and it was going to happen, because Indira herself had been grooming not that son, but the younger one, for succession. And then, of course, the precedent was there; when this initially unwilling young man had himself been assassinated by one of the earliest suicide bombers recorded, it was natural to turn to the widow, who knew nothing about politics and who seems to have regressed since then. She naturally faces a lot of resentment because of her foreign origin and her sentimental attachment to a very sleazy italian businessman.

My personal views? I would like to finish this note this afternoon, another seven hours from now, if it isn't too inconvenient.

Warm regards,
 
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Oh, dear!

You do have a happy habit of accidentally bumping into me with your elbow and getting me into the swimming pool.

I really would have liked to have avoided this question, as it is itself worth a PhD thesis. But perhaps it will make sense if I leave out all adjectives and adverbs and stick to the point. Let me try - meanwhile, don't hold your breath!

There are lots of people who wish that the Nehru-Gandhi dynasty should be got rid of. You find yourself in the company of Ram Manohar Lohia, a socialist and an iconoclast, who spent much of his political career pointing out the defects of the Nehru-Gandhis, to the point where he seemed like an bore to most people perusing their daily papers. For me, it is a matter for the voter, not for the chatterati, the chattering classes, as our brand of middle-class, westernised intellectuals tend to be grouped with, along with others who are far more affluent than middle-class, not westernised at all, and not intellectual, unless reading the papers and listening to the ubiquitous news programmes is a sign of intellect; many would disagree sharply. As long as the voter continues to believe in them as being, in some way, above the contempt that all Indians have for politicians.

Before going further, a reality check: you are aware that these 'Gandhis' have nothing to do with Mohandas Karamchand 'Mahatma' Gandhi, of course. That Gandhi was a Gujarati born to the minister of a tiny principality in the extreme west; these Gandhis are Gandhis because their mother-in-law/ grandmother married a handsome young Gujarati Congressman against her father's wishes. The political history starts with an Allahabad barrister named Motilal Nehru (= Precious as a pearl + lives on the banks of a canal, originally a Kashmiri brahmin), whose father was a less-than-distinguished police kotwal, or chief of a police station. Motilal rose from this origin to become a wealthy man, sent his son to Harrow, then to Trinity College, Cambridge, on to the bar and back to India, complete with an affinity for left wing politics of the Bloomsbury Set sort, and an accent which clearly informed those who mattered that he mattered. Jawaharlal was important because the common people saw him as the approachable, not even partially insane, welcome successor specially chosen by Gandhi (the other, older one) to be Gandhi's successor. Gandhi himself could seem unapproachable especially when he was doing his thing, some of them quite eccentric things. So Jawaharlal was the chosen son, and Indians treated him like that, in spite of being irritated by him, and finally fed up with him, especially after the mess he made of Chinese relations and of the military. When he died, a proper Congressman took over. Lal Bahadur Shastri (Beloved Brave One, the Brahmin) had nothing to do with the family. Under him, and his self-effacing ways, the powerful hierarchy of the Congress became very strong. Too strong to think straight, these 'bosses' picked on Nehru's shy, equally unassuming daughter, Indira Priyadarshini Gandhi, someone, they thought, who could be manipulated and told what to do. Probably the dumbest assessment of the century. When she was killed by her own disaffected security guard, after the clean-up of the Sikh Golden Temple of terrorists sheltering inside, Congressmen panicked, and put her son in. That is when a succession started, and it was going to happen, because Indira herself had been grooming not that son, but the younger one, for succession. And then, of course, the precedent was there; when this initially unwilling young man had himself been assassinated by one of the earliest suicide bombers recorded, it was natural to turn to the widow, who knew nothing about politics and who seems to have regressed since then. She naturally faces a lot of resentment because of her foreign origin and her sentimental attachment to a very sleazy italian businessman.

My personal views? I would like to finish this note this afternoon, another seven hours from now, if it isn't too inconvenient.

Warm regards,

Awesome history lesson! I've wondered how the current family is related to the original Mahatma Gandhi. What a fortunate coincidence and what social impact! (most of the world would think that she is a direct descendant, including I until you informed me). Anyways I think I follow you along the progression of Indian politics.

I also got that impression from Nehru that he is very much of the liberal western type. I read that when Mountbatten tried a personable tact with both Nehru and Jinnah, he was well received by Nehru and said of Jinnah "his eyes were cold as stone". Given Nehru's Oxbridge education, this makes more sense.

You sir have cleverly dodged my question. What do you think would be best for Greater India? or what message would you try to convey to your fellow countrymen? Out with the old or Que Sera Sera?
 
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Awesome history lesson! I've wondered how the current family is related to the original Mahatma Gandhi. What a fortunate coincidence and what social impact! (most of the world would think that she is a direct descendant, including I until you informed me). Anyways I think I follow you along the progression of Indian politics.

I also got that impression from Nehru that he is very much of the liberal western type. I read that when Mountbatten tried a personable tact with both Nehru and Jinnah, he was well received by Nehru and said of Jinnah "his eyes were cold as stone". Given Nehru's Oxbridge education, this makes more sense.

You sir have cleverly dodged my question. What do you think would be best for Greater India? or what message would you try to convey to your fellow countrymen? Out with the old or Que Sera Sera?

My personal views? I would like to finish this note this afternoon, another seven hours from now, if it isn't too inconvenient.

Well, actually, I wanted time to do my outside chores and return! Having returned briefly, and seen your queries, it seems better to me to reply in brief for the record, and to come back later for more detail if it seems to be needed.

I have in fact NO message for my fellow-countrymen; who am I to tell them what to do? If I wanted to start lecturing them, I would start with asking them to look for facts and for information before responding, instead of immediately striking belligerent postures and threatening nuclear war the very next second.

A change in this simple matter is unlikely to happen; why should I be so puffed-up as to think that a change in a fundamental matter might take place if I suggest it? No, indeed I wouldn't dream of advising anyone anything.

What I do stand for is to stand by and observe how the benefits and curative and healing properties of democracy get gradually deeper and deeper into our national system, until we have an asset which is of organic growth, native to the soil and unlikely to be vulnerable to dictatorship or to the mad impulses of a very popular leader who suddenly sees and opportunity for undying glory, or, worse, a military man who seeks power. This has become already something that we know about and we have had a brush with, in the form of the short but very fearful Emergency that Mrs. Gandhi declared some 35 years ago. We knew fear then; those of us who remember may kill to stop it recurring ever. The younger generations at least know that it was tried once, but did not 'take', and we can only hope that they will sense a bit of the overpowering suffocation that overtakes us when we are in such a state.

So my response is that the longer democracy is 'done' , the more its good effects. I keep telling Pakistani friends of a liberal disposition who cordially dislike Zardari that democracy includes suffering fools gladly, if those are elected fools. There are ways to upset them or to get rid of them, but within the system, not abruptly, not necessarily the first time that it becomes apparent that they are knaves or fools.

So, too, with our democracy.

It is old enough for everyone to know the consequences. People understand that politicians need to be changed, just like diapers, and for the same reasons. People know that politicians steal, and have to be watched. Our shrill and hyper-active media and our increasingly short-tempered judges are genuinely guarding us against them, and making sure that they don't get away in the long-term. As we figure out how to do things, as the older democracies have, we will get rid of their evil consequences in the mid-term, perhaps, some day in future, even in the short-term.

Till then, if the Nehru-Gandhis are elected, so be it. Let them have a go. Their grandmother died; their father died. They've paid their dues. They are obviously clots, and perhaps it is better to have clots than to have the murderous bastards, filled with hate and busy breaking, tearing down and maiming, that is the alternative. They too may in time mellow into something not much worse than a surly head-waiter at a posh restaurant, who knows?

My answer is Que Sera, Sera, I think, except that while it is Sera'ing, I would not sit idle but make sure that I have some say on the Que.

Warm regards,
 
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Hmmm I think you are right. There are no quick fixes (in the form of a fix-all leader) and those who seek such a person may find a bloody tyrant instead.

organic growth, native to the soil. I like that. I suppose really that it is how all mature democracy come to be.
 
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China takes over UN Security Council presidency - People's Daily Online March 02, 2011

China on Tuesday took over the rotating presidency of the UN Security Council for the month of March.

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UN Secretary-general Ban Ki-moon (R) meets with Li Baodong, permanent representative of the Chinese Mission to the United Nations, at the UN headquarters in New York, the United States, Feb 24, 2011. China assumes the rotating UN Security Council presidency for the month of March on Tuesday. (Xinhua Photo)

Li Baodong, the Chinese permanent representative to the United Nations, took over the rotating Council presidency from Brazilian UN Ambassador Maria Luiza Ribeiro Viotti, who held the presidency of the Security Council for February.

Li is expected to brief reporters on the work program of the 15-nation UN body on Wednesday.

The Security Council presidency rotates among the Council members in the English alphabetical order of their names. Each president holds office for one calendar month.

Under the UN Charter, the Security Council has the primary responsibility for the maintenance of peace and security in the world at large.

China will perform its duty as the rotating presidency of the UN Security Council in March in a fair, neutral way in order to effectively maintain international peace and security, Li told UN-based Chinese media last week.

"As the rotating president and a permanent member of the Security Council, we will adhere to the principle of being fair, neutral, pragmatic and efficient to ensure success of the work of the Security Council, so as to maintain international peace and security in an effective manner," Li said.

The Security Council has 15 members: five permanent members -- China, France, the Russian Federation, the United Kingdom and the United States -- and 10 non-permanent members elected by the UN General Assembly for two-year terms.

Source: Xinhua
 
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