Chinese Flanker Family: J-11, J-16 ... Su-27SK/UBK, Su-30MKK

[LKJ86]

J-16

Via @前站起飞 from Weibo

 

[juj06750]

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... or this one!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1241104227138777092

deino & west foreigners,
again it's our army and forum;
listen to chinese (not US media)

 

[LKJ86]

J-11B and J-11BS

Via @央广军事 from Weixin

 

[Deino]

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deino & west foreigners,
again it's our army and forum;
listen to chinese (not US media)

Oh come on ... grow up, get serious and stop talking like an Indian with all your hollow promises, announcements, and purported facts based only on "I heard, based on listening to Chinese".

Show facts or stay out of the discussions.

Again, I certainly don't hear everything, but I mostly listen to Chinese sources. And as long as members like
@LKJ86, @Beast, @lcloo or Huitong, Dafengcao, Oedosoldier and others agree with your facts, I don't believe a word of what only you tell; and I'm sure none of them believe you too.

 

[Deino]

Anyone with an idea on how reliable this poster or this piece of information concerning new J-16 brigades is?

https://bbs.meyet.net/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=321328&page=4888#pid3946840

 

[kungfugymnast]

Oh come on ... grow up, get serious and stop talking like an Indian with all your hollow promises, announcements, and purported facts based only on "I heard, based on listening to Chinese".

Show facts or stay out of the discussions.

Again, I certainly don't hear everything, but I mostly listen to Chinese sources. And as long as members like
@LKJ86, @Beast, @lcloo or Huitong, Dafengcao, Oedosoldier and others agree with your facts, I don't believe a word of what only you tell; and I'm sure none of them believe you too.

Deino, just ignore juj06750.

Back to topic, this time on US ECM capabilities and how well could China AESA, radar guided missiles overcome this. It came on my mind when export variant E2C hawkeye up in the air with ECM on, at range about less than 10 miles, all communications, cellphones, GCI radar, rapier SAM radar no longer work, badly distorted and only thing to rely on will be IR guided missiles. I

Iraq and Serbia war, the radars were distorted by USAF and USN ECM flights escorted by fighters on SEAD & CAP. It is believed that US ECM could selectively jam signals allowing friendly to use their radar and satellite links.

Say if there's war, J11D up against US F18s escorting EA18G Growler, will the J11D AESA radar able to detect and track F18 under jamming like having ECCM on radar and missile seeker? Russian came up with long range IR guided air to air missile R27ET and passive guided R27EM probably for attacking enemy fighters when own radar not working.

 

[LKJ86]

Su-30MKK

Via @万全 from Weibo

 

[Deino]

Anyone noticed?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1246131256540028934

 

[LKJ86]

J-16

Via @CadderCG from Weibo

 

[LKJ86]

J-11BSH

 

[kungfugymnast]

I didn't say that.

PLAAF prefers J-10S and J-11BS.

J-10S and J-11BS are for graduated fighter pilots, training for them before they fly the fighters in squadron they're assigned to

Me too, I say J-7 relegate to training pilot but never claim it's good in training. In fact, J-7 can help pilot get used to some high G training but not a very good trainer in clocking enough flying hours for 4th gen modern fighter jets. L-15 will be best candidate. But it's not a very cheap trainer compare to J-7, J-9L.

J-7 is good for supersonic training. The J-7 is not that maneuverable, mostly pulling up to 7G plus near Mach 0.75. At higher speed, it could hardly manuever more like rocket. Pilot could experience how to maneuver when fighter could hardly maneuver at high speed. Indian air force Mig-21 often crashed because of pilots overadjusting throttle and crash when failing to pull up from diving too fast.

First of all since most of them are plain wrong and stupid enough to mix the prototype J-11D with the AESA-upgraded J-11BG ... anyway, we will see, but again, this is the -10 thread and no the J-11 one.

There's J-11D prototype or it's just modified J-11BG for evaluation purpose?

 

[Deino]

...
There's J-11D prototype or it's just modified J-11BG for evaluation purpose?

You really need to do your homework... there were at least three J-11D prototypes before that project was terminated and the J-11BG is a regular MLU.

but again ... this is the wrong thread.

 

[kungfugymnast]

You really need to do your homework... there were at least three J-11D prototypes before that project was terminated and the J-11BG is a regular MLU.

but again ... this is the wrong thread.

Then why did you say J-11D doesn't exist earlier? Things haven't finalized if China decided to build J-11D or all old J-11A/B being overhauled, refitted with new AESA, other avionics, new WS10 engines +TVC being redesignated J-11D. WS10G with 35,000lb thrust exist?

 

[Deino]

Then why did you say J-11D doesn't exist earlier? Things haven't finalized if China decided to build J-11D or all old J-11A/B being overhauled, refitted with new AESA, other avionics, new WS10 engines +TVC being redesignated J-11D. WS10G with 35,000lb thrust exist?

Again, ... you are hyping things as if they are in PLAAF operational frontline service and as such the J-11D does not exist, but there are three prototypes.

If you would have checked yourself, you would have noticed.

 

[LKJ86]

J-11B and J-11BS

Via @央广军事 from Weixin