Chinese Defense Minister likely to visit Dhaka on May 28

[DESERT FIGHTER]

That some ancient pic lamo, this is the latest pic of Indo Pak soldiers at border.


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At LOC

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Rangers At LOC;

PA regulars in WOT;

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

A PA Regular in standard gear;

PA Soldier in older armour (in process of replacement);

PA Gunner (old pic):

Anti Tank crew;

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Rangers ;

FC;

 

[TopCat]

A PA Regular in standard gear;


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PA Soldier in older armour (in process of replacement);

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PA Gunner (old pic):
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why are you posting all these irrelevant photos here?

 

[UKBengali]

@DESERT FIGHTER : BD defence budget is around 3 billion dollars a year when you take into account the cost of arms imports which are not part of the official defence budget.

Yes, Pakistan is much more powerful militarily as it spends 8-9 billion dollars a year on defence but you must understand that BD does not have the issues with India that Pakistan does.

BD is content to allow the economy to grow, currently running at 7% a year, and will spend commensurate with what the GDP can afford taking into account the higher focus on infrastructure, education and social welfare spending that the country has decided on.

 

[Species]

@DESERT FIGHTER : BD defence budget is around 3 billion dollars a year when you take into account the cost of arms imports which are not part of the official defence budget.

Yes, Pakistan is much more powerful militarily as it spends 8-9 billion dollars a year on defence but you must understand that BD does not have the issues with India that Pakistan does.

BD is content to allow the economy to grow, currently running at 7% a year, and will spend commensurate with what the GDP can afford taking into account the higher focus on infrastructure, education and social welfare spending that the country has decided on.

I think within few years, at least our navy should be on par with Pakistan.

 

[UKBengali]

I think within few years, at least our navy should be on par with Pakistan.

Surface combatants will be even better as BD will have 2 modern VLS SAM frigates and 8 Type-056 corvettes. Pakistan will still have the advantage in undersea warfare as they will possess more modern submarines.

 

[Bilal9]

Surface combatants will be even better as BD will have 2 modern VLS SAM frigates and 8 Typoe-056 corvettes. Pakistan will still have the advantage in undersea warfare as they will possess more modern submarines.

Comparisons are not really valid because - although Pakistan's Navy is larger/varied in the makeup of their fleet, their circumstances and naval strategy are totally different. Their operations and preparedness is at another level - which Bangladesh would do well to emulate, even if you don't bring politics into the equation.

As far as numbers go - their recent acquisition/local build of F22P frigates class is superior as well as their undersea warfare vehicles as you mentioned. We also should not forget their naval aerial patrol component which is way more developed than ours in qualitative and quantitative level. We are learning to crawl on this front while they are running with rather advanced Sub-hunters, some with local sensor integration. Wiki has some detail....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_Naval_Air_Arm

In Bangladesh we are very deficient in this area with only a couple of medium range Dornier Do-228NG MPA aircraft and some short range Helis. Compared to that I believe Pakistan uses a very large MPA fleet with P-3C Orions, Westland Sea Kings, F-28 friendships, Hawker 800s, and ATR-72s, the last two varieties inducted rather recently.

The UAV component is slowly growing as well, as is Naval small scale nuclear weapons integration.

However we are doing well with an arms budget a third of Pakistan's.

Coming back to simple surface combatant situation, we should concentrate on the acquisition of the new C28B variant with VLS, bring the fabrication inside Bangladesh with Chinese ToT, which may roughly be a smaller equivalent of the F22P, but a bit more potent maybe.

 

[UKBengali]

Coming back to simple surface combatant situation, we should concentrate on the acquisition of the new C28B variant with VLS, bring the fabrication inside Bangladesh with Chinese ToT, which may roughly be a smaller equivalent of the F22P, but a bit more potent maybe.

BD Navy is not interested in ships of the class of the C28B as they would be too limited and offer only modest improvement over the Type-056 corvette that is currently being procured in mass. The BD Navy has asked for 520 million dollars to buy two frigates and I think the most likely options are the South Korean DW-3000F or the upcoming follow on to the Chinese Type-054A which is rumoured to be called the Type-057 - the cost is likely to be more like 700-800 million dollars but either well be worth it as they would provide immense anti-air, anti-ship and anti-sub capabilities.

As for patrol aircraft, you are right that BD seriously lacks compared to Pakistan but BD government has approved the purchase of two squadrons of Maritime patrol aircraft.

BD is focusing on building a strong Navy to safeguard it's interests in the Bay of Bengal and hence we should not be too surprised that BD will soon have a Navy as strong as Pakistan.

 

[Allah Akbar]

Not true. Chinese would be happier if Bangladesh could spend more money on quality products from China. Chinese will make more money in this way.

In addition, all weapons sold by China to Bangladesh have also served in China military not long ago. Not long ago, China economy wasn't much different from Bangladesh now. We certainly didn't think those weapons were a complete waste then.

Its not China's fault but ours.china has a great numbers for offer but the bd government buy old stuff just for their personal benefits.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

@Bilal9. PN is the poorest of all services of Pak.. There budget is hardly a billion $ (and that too increased this year).


Our recent acquisitions are still nothing compared to our indian pals .


8 new AIP subs with nuclear SLCMs
ATRs with Meltem ASW upgrade
4 allegedly "improved" F-22/23P frigates
8 FACs
Fleet Tankers
New AW helis (hopefully they will be diverted to the Navy)

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By 2018-20 at max we will have something like;

13 AIP subs
3 old Agostas
Several X crafts for SSGN
4 F-22Ps
4 F-23P
10 PC-3 Orions
4 ATRs ASWs
4 CN PMAs
4? X Fokker MPAs
Doniers aren't really PMAS
Hawks are EW/ELIENT aircrafts
12 Z-9 ASWs + more ASW helis (hopefully the new AWs are for the navy)
A fleet of Sea King helis (armed with ASMs or ASW)
8-12+ FACs
2 X SQDs of JF for anti ship role (they are deputed from PAF - replacing Mirages)
Maybe new jets for CPEC protection
5 older frigs (Tariq Class that needs replacement)
Olive perrys
8 Missile Boats
A number of Mine sweepers
8+ X Global Cutters
Aux ships


A large number of UAVs & UCAVs

Apart from new indigenous Anti Ship CMs
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Apart from that we will have to replace the 5 Tariq Class frigates with new ones !!



These are the most conservative estimates (already signed deals)

And we will actually be forced to juice up the navy to protect of coastal economy and sea trade routes... aswell as our EEZ.

They just got an increased of 15% in their budget .. Almost over a billion $.

 

[Bilal9]

@Bilal9. PN is the poorest of all services of Pak.. There budget is hardly a billion $ (and that too increased this year).


Our recent acquisitions are still nothing compared to our indian pals .


8 new AIP subs with nuclear SLCMs
ATRs with Meltem ASW upgrade
4 allegedly "improved" F-22/23P frigates
8 FACs
Fleet Tankers
New AW helis (hopefully they will be diverted to the Navy)

--

By 2018-20 at max we will have something like;

13 AIP subs
3 old Agostas
Several X crafts for SSGN
4 F-22Ps
4 F-23P
10 PC-3 Orions
4 ATRs ASWs
4 CN PMAs
4? X Fokker MPAs
Doniers aren't really PMAS
Hawks are EW/ELIENT aircrafts
12 Z-9 ASWs + more ASW helis (hopefully the new AWs are for the navy)
A fleet of Sea King helis (armed with ASMs or ASW)
8-12+ FACs
2 X SQDs of JF for anti ship role (they are deputed from PAF - replacing Mirages)
Maybe new jets for CPEC protection
5 older frigs (Tariq Class that needs replacement)
Olive perrys
8 Missile Boats
A number of Mine sweepers
8+ X Global Cutters
Aux ships


A large number of UAVs & UCAVs

Apart from new indigenous Anti Ship CMs
---
Apart from that we will have to replace the 5 Tariq Class frigates with new ones !!



These are the most conservative estimates (already signed deals)

And we will actually be forced to juice up the navy to protect of coastal economy and sea trade routes... aswell as our EEZ.

They just got an increased of 15% in their budget .. Almost over a billion $.

Appreciate the up-to-date content and detail....

It will be interesting to see what replaces the Tariq class and what Chinese prototype becomes the new F-23P. Maybe also a

follow on to the Chinese Type-054A which is rumoured to be called the Type-057

- which @UKBengali bhai mentioned as the new Bangladeshi frigate choice with VLS....

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

why are you posting all these irrelevant photos here?

In response to indian member.

Appreciate the up-to-date content and detail....

It will be interesting to see what replaces the Tariq class and what Chinese prototype becomes the new F-23P. Maybe also a
- which @UKBengali bhai mentioned as the new Bangladeshi frigate choice with VLS....

personally I believe the Type 54As are the most realistic options for replacement of Tariq class frigates ...

Or maybe just more improved F-23s with bigger displacement and a long ranged SAM.. Etc

Another option could be the Turkish TF series .. Pak & Turkiye are already cooperating on shipbuilding with 19000 Ton Fleet Tankers and MTRs series... But it will be costly and it's still under developed unlike the Type54A FFGs.

BD Navy is not interested in ships of the class of the C28B as they would be too limited and offer only modest improvement over the Type-056 corvette that is currently being procured in mass. The BD Navy has asked for 520 million dollars to buy two frigates and I think the most likely options are the South Korean DW-3000F or the upcoming follow on to the Chinese Type-054A which is rumoured to be called the Type-057 - the cost is likely to be more like 700-800 million dollars but either well be worth it as they would provide immense anti-air, anti-ship and anti-sub capabilities.

As for patrol aircraft, you are right that BD seriously lacks compared to Pakistan but BD government has approved the purchase of two squadrons of Maritime patrol aircraft.

BD is focusing on building a strong Navy to safeguard it's interests in the Bay of Bengal and hence we should not be too surprised that BD will soon have a Navy as strong as Pakistan.

Type54A allegedly costs around 250 million $ a pop..

 

[UKBengali]

Type54A allegedly costs around 250 million $ a pop..

3 Type-054A's were offered to Thailand for 1 billion US dollars. The figure you mention is the cost to the PLAN and not
for foreign customers.

Anyway, BD will want to buy the most up to date frigate as anything it buys needs to last up to the 2040s and so the follow-on to the Type-054A will be what it would go for - the new frigate will have much better sensors and weapons systems.

- which @UKBengali bhai mentioned as the new Bangladeshi frigate choice with VLS....

This frigate is likely to be a quantum leap over the Type-054A with much better sensors and weapons fits.

For example, the Type-054A carries 32 50km medium-range SAMs whereas this frigate could have 32 VLS that could carry a mix of single long-range SAMs and quad-packed medium-range SAMs in each of the 32 cells. Just imagine a mix of 24 100km+ long-range SAMs and 32(8x4) 50km medium-range SAMs, when combined with the brand-new AESA multi--function radar that can guide a dozen missiles to a dozen different targets simultaneously

 

[dy1022]

3 Type-054A's were offered to Thailand for 1 billion US dollars. The figure you mention is the cost to the PLAN and not
for foreign customers.

Anyway, BD will want to buy the most up to date frigate as anything it buys needs to last up to the 2040s and so the follow-on to the Type-054A will be what it would go for - the new frigate will have much better sensors and weapons systems.



This frigate is likely to be a quantum leap over the Type-054A with much better sensors and weapons fits.

For example, the Type-054A carries 32 50km medium-range SAMs whereas this frigate could have 32 VLS that could carry a mix of single long-range SAMs and quad-packed medium-range SAMs in each of the 32 cells. Just imagine a mix of 24 100km+ long-range SAMs and 32(8x4) 50km medium-range SAMs, when combined with the brand-new AESA multi--function radar that can guide a dozen missiles to a dozen different targets simultaneously

much more expensive as well !!!




2+2 (built in BD) or 2 only ???